Biden: Impeachment inquiry should be dropped after key source was indicted

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No proof, so it's just your opinion.

Lol, government statements and indictments are not proof. Better stick to al Jazeera opinion for proof then.

[Walker88]

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some actual proof of that would be in order. No proof and you are making it up.

Not sure what you claim is made up.

 

You ought to get away from Fox or trumpish media. trump's bad security procedures was widely reported, whether it was mouthing off in one of his clubs (part of one of the indictments is trump boasting about a plan to attack Iran), and his use of a non-secure phone while in the WH.

 

There's also plenty of reporting about trump boasting in MaL, such as when he was sitting in the main MaL dining room with then Japanese PM Abe, and announced, "I have to go bomb some places in Syria".

 

That kind of recklessness is a magnet for intel officers, who'd be running to their Chief of Station to get funding to join the club.

[Walker88]

37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I am more interested in the trump administration already knowing he was lying, and after that the republican senate at best being used by Russian intelligence.

The current lunatic Speaker thinks some deity talks to him and guides him.

 

Always puzzles me that some guys who get messages from Skydaddy go out and shoot people, and that's bad, but guys who claim it and try to run the government with such 'advice' are considered pious.

 

Crazy is crazy.

 

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You don't think Biden getting impeached helps Trump?

 

If not, why does Trump demand Biden get impeached?

 

Spoiler alert: Biden getting impeached would help Trump get elected. That's why the Republicans have been working impeachment for months.

 

Spoiler alert! Gripping.

[Danderman123]

44 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Spoiler alert! Gripping.

It doesn't bother you that Russian intelligence was trying to get Biden indicted?

 

Don't you wonder why?

 

Or you just don't care who helps, as long as Biden loses the election?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It doesn't bother you that Russian intelligence was trying to get Biden indicted?

 

Don't you wonder why?

 

Or you just don't care who helps, as long as Biden loses the election?

 

They never did. That's precisely why Barr killed the Mueller report.

[candide]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

From Jay Kuo.

 

Yesterday, another Russian nesting doll emerged. In support of its request to hold Smirnov pending trial, the government revealed that Smirnov had held several high level meetings with Russian intelligence officers in 2023 and was being used as a conduit for disinformation to disrupt the 2024 election. 

That’s right: The same guy Reps. Comer and Jordan and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) pumped as a reason to go after Biden for bribery turned out to be a Russian intelligence tool. 

Now the question is, were GOP leaders just useful idiots for Russian election interference, or did they know, like Bill Barr and his cronies apparently did, that Smirnov’s claims were false, but amplified them anyway to dirty up Biden?

An interesting related question: the FD-1023 had not been assessed as reliable by the FBI and was off the radar, forgotten in some file. Who informed the GOP of It's existence?

[candide]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Proof of that? Making it up again?

So you've been regularly posting on Biden's documents topic, and you don't even know what's written in the special counsel's report. 😃

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It doesn't bother you that Russian intelligence was trying to get Biden indicted?

 

Don't you wonder why?

 

Or you just don't care who helps, as long as Biden loses the election?

 

It does bother me that there is, so far, no proof of anything.

 

It does bother me that the FBI are happy to lock Smirnov up without proof of anything.

 

Don't you wonder why?

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, candide said:

An interesting related question: the FD-1023 had not been assessed as reliable by the FBI and was off the radar, forgotten in some file. Who informed the GOP of It's existence?

 

So why is it so important now?

[ozimoron]

 

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12 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Might be like that with biden not being prosecuted for keeping unsecured classified documents, something I could be in prison for still, if I had done what he did, having had access to extremely sensitive stuff.   That was scary stuff.   We had classified document compartments like bank vaults.  If you were caught in one, by yourself, without a second person in there, you were arrested and subject to imprisonment!

Have you ever used or tried to access a top secret level, secure, filing cabinet, that refuses to open, even when you have the correct combination or even seen one?   A much more secure location to store classified documents than a cardboard box or car in a garage, if what I have heard reported about in biden's case (I have not tried to verify the accuracy of those statements).

Not a felony unless it can be proven that they were deliberately taken. 

https://www.federalcriminaldefenseadvocates.com/remove-classified-documents

 

 

[candide]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

So why is it so important now?

Because now we know Smirnov was working for the Russians.

Was it also Russian intelligence which directly or indirectly informed the GOP about the existence of the FD form?

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12 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Yet, were there not several FISA warrants issued to investigate the Trump campaign based on that document?

Not based solely on info from the Steele dossier

While information from a source such as Steele’s more than meets this probable cause standard, that is clearly not all that the warrant relied upon. Just from what we can see in unredacted form — and the majority of the application is redacted — it also walks through Page’s interactions several years ago with Russians who were eventually charged with being agents of Russian intelligence. 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fbi-wouldve-been-derelict-not-use-steele-dossier-carter-page-fisa-warrant

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9 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Perhaps it is to the benefit of russia and putin,, regardless if there is any benefit to Trump, if there is any.  
The russians are in this to benifit their country.  They don't care who may gain from their efforts, if any. 

If the Russians deem having Trump as President rather than Biden benefits them, then that would kind of undercut your argument. Given Trump's reluctance to assist Ukraine (Congress had to threaten to sue him before he released a second shipment of munitions to Russia), is it really surprising that Russia would prefer Trump over Biden?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Because now we know Smirnov was working for the Russians.

Was it also Russian intelligence which directly or indirectly informed the GOP about the existence of the FD form?

 

You might think you know but I still can't find one story that proves that Smirnov was actually working for the Russians. 

[candide]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

You might think you know but I still can't find one story that proves that Smirnov was actually working for the Russians. 

More precisely, "officials associated with Russian intelligence were involved in passing a story” to him about Hunter Biden.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf

[Eric Loh]

50 minutes ago, candide said:

More precisely, "officials associated with Russian intelligence were involved in passing a story” to him about Hunter Biden.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf

Dan Goldman didn't mince words to say that House GOP as "operating at the behest of Russian Intelligence and Putin. This is a Republican who was part of the team for Trump's first impeachment trial and he knows a lot about Burisma. 

 

Special Counsel David Weissman charged Smirnov for fabrication of the events and he was appointed by Trump.

 

Anyone who still doubt the facts about this case is highly deluded. Comer and Jordan better not proceed with the witchhunt as this case will blow up in their face and have both incriminated for accessory to the Russian collusion. 

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

More precisely, "officials associated with Russian intelligence were involved in passing a story” to him about Hunter Biden.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf

 

More precisely that does not prove he was working for Russia. 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Dan Goldman didn't mince words to say that House GOP as "operating at the behest of Russian Intelligence and Putin. This is a Republican who was part of the team for Trump's first impeachment trial and he knows a lot about Burisma. 

 

Special Counsel David Weissman charged Smirnov for fabrication of the events and he was appointed by Trump.

 

Anyone who still doubt the facts about this case is highly deluded. Comer and Jordan better not proceed with the witchhunt as this case will blow up in their face and have both incriminated for accessory to the Russian collusion. 

 

 

 

Dan Goldman seems to like making stuff up, similar to that which I see here everyday.

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Dan Goldman seems to like making stuff up, similar to that which I see here everyday.

"It is my great honor to Strongly endorse Dan Goldman. I do this not because of the fact that he headed up the Impeachment Committe but because he was honorable, fair and highly intelligent". Trump.

 

You doubting your dear leader characterisation of Mr. Goldman? 

[metisdead]

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[LosLobo]

35 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Dan Goldman didn't mince words to say that House GOP as "operating at the behest of Russian Intelligence and Putin. This is a Republican who was part of the team for Trump's first impeachment trial and he knows a lot about Burisma. 

 

Special Counsel David Weissman charged Smirnov for fabrication of the events and he was appointed by Trump.

 

Anyone who still doubt the facts about this case is highly deluded. Comer and Jordan better not proceed with the witchhunt as this case will blow up in their face and have both incriminated for accessory to the Russian collusion. 

Goldman : 'If they continue with this investigation, they are opening themselves up to a criminal investigation for conspiring with Russia to interfere in the 2024 election'.

Bring it on, impeach James Comer and Gym Jones with their own 'credible' whistleblower Smirnov as the Democrats star witness for the prosecution.
 

 

 

Edited February 22 by LosLobo

[candide]

32 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

More precisely that does not prove he was working for Russia. 

Ok. He may have been manipulated.

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Ok. He may have been manipulated.

 

Thanks for the tip.

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

"It is my great honor to Strongly endorse Dan Goldman. I do this not because of the fact that he headed up the Impeachment Committe but because he was honorable, fair and highly intelligent". Trump.

 

You doubting your dear leader characterisation of Mr. Goldman? 

 

That quote is from six months ago, was almost certainly sarcastic, and was nothing to do with this topic.

 

Do you have a point here or are you just trying to cheat for effect?

 

 

Edited February 22 by nauseus
inserted six months

[nauseus]

38 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Goldman : 'If they continue with this investigation, they are opening themselves up to a criminal investigation for conspiring with Russia to interfere in the 2024 election'.

Bring it on, impeach James Comer and Gym Jones with their own 'credible' whistleblower Smirnov as the Democrats star witness for the prosecution.
 

 

 

 

Except for being so shocked, he really has nothing

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

It does bother me that there is, so far, no proof of anything.

 

It does bother me that the FBI are happy to lock Smirnov up without proof of anything.

 

Is that the latest Russian talking point? 

 

Indicted ex-FBI informant told investigators he got Hunter Biden dirt from Russian intelligence officials

 

Smirnov confessed.

 

You are either misinformed or are lying. 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

More precisely that does not prove he was working for Russia. 

 

Smirnov, they said, "claims to have contacts with multiple foreign intelligence agencies" and had planned to leave the U.S. for months just two days after he was arrested, to meet with Russian intelligence officials, among others.

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/20/1232789953/alexander-smirnov-fbi-informant-biden-hunter-ukraine

 

Of particular note, Smirnov has reported numerous contacts with Russian Official 1, who has been described by Smirnov in a number of ways, including as the son of a former high-ranking Russian government official, someone who purportedly controls two groups of individuals tasked with carrying out assassination efforts in a third-party country, a Russian representative to another country, and as someone with ties to a particular Russian intelligence service. This latter fact was reported by Smirnov in October, 2023.

 

https://www.mediaite.com/news/shocking-filing-says-busted-anti-biden-fbi-informant-had-contact-with-leader-of-an-assassination-squad/

 

Edited February 22 by ozimoron

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

You might think you know but I still can't find one story that proves that Smirnov was actually working for the Russians. 

Indicted ex-FBI informant told investigators he got Hunter Biden dirt from Russian intelligence officials