Historians rank Trump as worst president

[Colki]

I am not american and do not vote in their elections but I am appalled that this man can be eligible to be elected to the POTUS.

 

I do not think I have ever seen or heard of such a despicable character to be considered eligible for such a position.

 

To me the barometer for Trump in his term as POTUS was the people he employed to support his term in office but to be then discarded in the most offensive terms. But you then read the comment of very senior people that were part of his inner circle and very seasoned diplomats and of two I recollect describe him as totally unworthy and incapable of being an effective POTUS.

 

I cannot believe that many in the  GOP could in any way support this criminal so feel the world will not be destined to suffer another term of this criminal buffoon.

[BenStark]

1 hour ago, Dolf said:

Biden confuses NATO with Ukraine

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13096817/Biden-confuses-Ukraine-NATO-calling-Congress-return-vacation-pass-mammoth-funding-bill-pressure-mounts-81-year-old-president-following-damning-report-mental-fitness.html

 

Wow, took you only 14 minutes to get a new username? You're really hardcore big bird

[stoner]

5 hours ago, charleskerins said:

It's from the authors of the survey  ,I didn't do anything to the numbers .I just posted the information -play with that.

 

4 percent

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, Dolf said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-deaths-track-latest-trends-fatality-count-rcna61052

 

The reference is facts. Trump haters don't like facts.

Strange point; trump is the world all time champion of denying facts / creating 'new' unsubstantiated facts / creating diversions / publically ignoring and disputing world experts and intimidating them. 

 

Edited February 20 by scorecard

[Skipalongcassidy]

13 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Hmmm, yes, I do believe so many having made a lifetime of study of the American Presidents are to be given credence. The rejection of such is exactly the reason MAFA yes are recognized as rejecting knowledge in favor of ignorance based on emotional feelings rather than fact. And so it goes ...

No matter how long one studies and evaluates anything... if they are focused with a biased eye the results of that study will be biased as well... I do not reject knowledge I just admit that the bias is there unlike Demons who proclaim their ignorance in blindly following the propaganda.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Wrwest said:

I do believe so many having made a lifetime of study of the American Presidents are to be given credence.

There are actually real people that get paid a living wage for doing that? WOW, it sure beats working in a real job.

I sure went down the wrong path in life when I could have done that instead of doing hard work all my working life.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Colki said:

I am not american and do not vote in their elections but I am appalled that this man can be eligible to be elected to the POTUS.

 

I do not think I have ever seen or heard of such a despicable character to be considered eligible for such a position.

 

To me the barometer for Trump in his term as POTUS was the people he employed to support his term in office but to be then discarded in the most offensive terms. But you then read the comment of very senior people that were part of his inner circle and very seasoned diplomats and of two I recollect describe him as totally unworthy and incapable of being an effective POTUS.

 

I cannot believe that many in the  GOP could in any way support this criminal so feel the world will not be destined to suffer another term of this criminal buffoon.

Sooooo, Trump who never started a war for American boys to die in is worse than warmonger Johnson, warmonger Nixon and warmonger Bush the younger, not forgetting Biden who is colluding in and enabling the thousands of deaths in Gaza.

 

I must have been wrong thinking war is bad or that it's good for American boys, and innocent Gazans to die in wars so American weapons manufacturers can mint it.

[Luuk Chaai]

What a joke article So when Trump Makes America GREAT ..AGAIN  for the 3rd time (yes 3rd .. intelligent people  will understand)...... oh..can't imagine why they didn't list Jimmy  Carter  right up there with LBG,OBAMA BIDEN

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There are actually real people that get paid a living wage for doing that? WOW, it sure beats working in a real job.

I sure went down the wrong path in life when I could have done that instead of doing hard work all my working life.

Well, some of us value our history, and think we can learn from it. Others totally ignore it and make up their own as they go along. Like claiming that Trump was the greatest president ever. Or that Jan. 6 was just like any other day where tourists got a guided tour of the Capitol. 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

No matter how long one studies and evaluates anything... if they are focused with a biased eye the results of that study will be biased as well... I do not reject knowledge I just admit that the bias is there unlike Demons who proclaim their ignorance in blindly following the propaganda.

So why do you claim they're biased? Because of the result?

I notice there is no answer to my earlier question as well to why the source is biased.

[charleskerins]

6 hours ago, BenStark said:

 

Wow, took you only 14 minutes to get a new username? You're really hardcore big bird

 

48 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

What a joke article So when Trump Makes America GREAT ..AGAIN  for the 3rd time (yes 3rd .. intelligent people  will understand)...... oh..can't imagine why they didn't list Jimmy  Carter  right up there with LBG,OBAMA BIDEN

Joke comment       imagine this Jimmy Carters job numbers dwarfed donnies   and his personal life far eclipses the blathering traitor selling gold sneakers       Who is LBG?     Insurrection photo below ,insurrection incited by the orange coward who said he would march on the Capitol with them. intelligent people understand  Fascism is for knuckle draggers 

[charleskerins]

7 hours ago, stoner said:

 

4 percent

The 4% rule is a popular retirement withdrawal strategy that suggests retirees can safely withdraw the amount equal to 4% of their savings during the year they retire and then adjust for inflation each subsequent year for 30 years.

[sirineou]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So why do you claim they're biased? Because of the result?

I notice there is no answer to my earlier question as well to why the source is biased.

These are the same people that would be praising the source if it was more favorable to their boy,

They are not to be taken seriously, but simply ridiculed. 

Edited February 21 by sirineou
was missing a letter

[charleskerins]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So why do you claim they're biased? Because of the result?

I notice there is no answer to my earlier question as well to why the source is biased.

Whining Fascist lovers.  it's biased because it put an enemy of American Democracy who incited an insurrection ,had negative job numbers , mishandled Covid  ,kissed dictators arses, brayed like a donkey when he lost ,tried to blackmail Ukraine ETC ETC   last on the list .  Hell he should be in front of a firing squad.

[charleskerins]

10 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Don’t be stupid. The truth about Trump will come out eventually, let’s hope you live long enough to read about it. It will probably be after he dies, so hopefully soon.

the sooner the better

[charleskerins]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, Trump who never started a war for American boys to die in is worse than warmonger Johnson, warmonger Nixon and warmonger Bush the younger, not forgetting Biden who is colluding in and enabling the thousands of deaths in Gaza.

 

I must have been wrong thinking war is bad or that it's good for American boys, and innocent Gazans to die in wars so American weapons manufacturers can mint it.

Soooo     When a person commits sedition to try to overthrow American Democracy it eclipses all his other wonderful accomplishment which would be zero.       

[charleskerins]

7 hours ago, Colki said:

I am not american and do not vote in their elections but I am appalled that this man can be eligible to be elected to the POTUS.

 

I do not think I have ever seen or heard of such a despicable character to be considered eligible for such a position.

 

To me the barometer for Trump in his term as POTUS was the people he employed to support his term in office but to be then discarded in the most offensive terms. But you then read the comment of very senior people that were part of his inner circle and very seasoned diplomats and of two I recollect describe him as totally unworthy and incapable of being an effective POTUS.

 

I cannot believe that many in the  GOP could in any way support this criminal so feel the world will not be destined to suffer another term of this criminal buffoon.

Sad isn't it?

[stoner]

3 hours ago, charleskerins said:

The 4% rule is a popular retirement withdrawal strategy that suggests retirees can safely withdraw the amount equal to 4% of their savings during the year they retire and then adjust for inflation each subsequent year for 30 years.

 

of course you deflected again. typical. 

[LosLobo]

13 hours ago, Dolf said:

The US has a poor healthcare system which favours the wealthy. Most deaths were due to obesity, underlying conditions and age. The US did not rank in the top 10 for deaths per million.

 

12 hours ago, Dolf said:

So no blame attached to all the others? Some of which had 8 years to fix it but didn't.

 

11 hours ago, Dolf said:

Obamacare was signed into law in 2010, some 14 years ago.

 

Your responses fail to address the crucial element of Trump’s governance during the COVID-19 crisis, which required a response centered on public health rather than politics, resulting in the avoidable loss of countless lives.

 

Instead, you go down a series of rabbit holes using logical fallacies.

 

Let’s consider the logical fallacies in your responses:
 

Red Herring Fallacy:  The statement about the U.S. healthcare system favoring the wealthy, though potentially valid, diverts from the discussion of Trump’s handling of COVID-19. It introduces an unrelated issue, which can distract from evaluating the administration’s response to the health emergency.
 

Tu Quoque Fallacy:  By suggesting that previous administrations are also to blame for not fixing the healthcare system, your argument deflects from the current topic. This fallacy attempts to discredit the criticism of Trump’s unfulfilled campaign promises by pointing out others’ failures, rather than addressing the promises themselves.
 

Irrelevant Conclusion Fallacy:  Acknowledging that Obamacare was enacted 14 years ago does not address the current relevance or impact of the law. This statement, while true, does not contribute to the assessment of Trump’s actions or inactions regarding healthcare reform during his term.
 

In summary, while historical context is important, focus should remain on the specific actions taken by the Trump administration in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
 

IMHO

[cdemundo]

23 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

HAHAHA... this is truly a time to consider the source when passing judgement... totally 

Right, professional historians, what do they know?

[Dolf]

Just now, cdemundo said:

Right, professional historians, what do they know?

Probably not much. 

[cdemundo]

23 hours ago, sirineou said:

By the way, 

what do historians know? 

Personally I would trust the opinion of a Asean Now forum member some of whom have never even been in the States , over some evaducated Historian. 

 

And never mind what trump has done so far. Who worries what kind of job a person they want to hire has done in the past. 

"Who worries what kind of job a person they want to hire has done in the past. "

 

Uh, everyone.

 

(Hard to tell when someone is being ironic here because of the crazy opinions expressed by some.)

Edited February 21 by cdemundo

[Dolf]

17 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Soooo     When a person commits sedition to try to overthrow American Democracy it eclipses all his other wonderful accomplishment which would be zero.       

So killing people is fine by you but disagreeing with voting is really bad. That's the kind of logic that gave the world lots of wars and deaths. Biden has also killed many with his failures on covid. Biden is a mass murderer.

[Dolf]

24 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Whining Fascist lovers.  it's biased because it put an enemy of American Democracy who incited an insurrection ,had negative job numbers , mishandled Covid  ,kissed dictators arses, brayed like a donkey when he lost ,tried to blackmail Ukraine ETC ETC   last on the list .  Hell he should be in front of a firing squad.

Biden should be yes. Killed about 700,000 people with covid despite having vaccines. Then you have wars on top of that.

[cdemundo]

21 hours ago, sirineou said:

The "evaducated' comment was as me being kind to trumpers and using their language , nuch like trump does. 

Hard to tell when someone is being ironic here because of the crazy opinions expressed by some.

[Dolf]

28 minutes ago, sirineou said:

These are the same people that would be praising the source if it was more favorable to their boy,

They are not to be taken seriously, but simply ridiculed. 

You are doing exactly what you complain about.

[sirineou]

Just now, cdemundo said:

Hard to tell when someone is being ironic here because of the crazy opinions expressed by some.

Yea I get it, I have also fallen into that trap

Communications happen at so many levels . written, spoken body language, smile or not smile etc.

in a venue such as this forum , we only have the written word ( and a fe emojis) , also people from different countries, different cultures, and different Forms of the English language,

Easy to be misunderstood.

My fault for not taking the above into consideration. 

[Dolf]

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3850219-the-seven-biggest-lies-biden-told-this-week/

 

 

[sirineou]

8 minutes ago, Dolf said:

You are doing exactly what you complain about.

I dont think so

[Dolf]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I dont think so

How much does the United States spend on the military each year?