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Shamima Begum: East London schoolgirl loses appeal against removal of UK citizenship


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If she did get back in to the UK a life on  (enhanced) unemployment benefits is pretty much inevitable, at least until she accumulates the wealth and celebrity status which she is assured.   I would love to be a fly on the wall at one of her "back to work" interviews.  Particularly the bit where they ask about what life skills she has amassed during her life, and her strengths and weaknesses, and what she might bring to the table.  

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  On 2/25/2024 at 4:21 AM, Bday Prang said:

People who are not british citizens or who are in the process of having that privilege withdrawn should not be entitled to legal aid.  If that potentially leads to a "rocky road downwards for justice"  then so be it   I have no issues with that whatsoever.      Especially  considering that true british citizens who have become expats in Thailand for example have their pensions frozen , lose their ability to vote, and can be refused medical treatment on the NHS   All of which would be available to her if she returned to the UK. in fact to really rub salt in the wound, she would be entitled to jump any NHS queues for medical attention and no doubt get immediate access to NHS dental treatment as well

  Yes I have heard of pro-bono  now tell me where it was mentioned on the op  

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Moving quickly past all of your strawman arguments with pensions, voting rights et al, you are arguing that someone shouldn't be awarded legal aid to contest the removal of their citizenship because they have already had it removed (what is actually being contested) or 'are in the process of having that privilege withdrawn'  The fact you cannot see the irony in what you are professing speaks volumes to your bias. UK law stands proudly on the world stage for it's fairness and accessibility and you cannot just arbitrarily choose who does/doesn't get legal aid because of your personal prejudices. And the fact you are quite so willing to throw the baby out with the bath water negates any sensible argument you may have had.

 

Oh and I mentioned pro bono because you insisted that all solicitors were just 'motivated solely by money'. The fact that pro bono exists completely negates that argument too. 

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  On 2/25/2024 at 5:16 AM, johnnybangkok said:

Moving quickly past all of your strawman arguments with pensions, voting rights et al, you are arguing that someone shouldn't be awarded legal aid to contest the removal of their citizenship because they have already had it removed (what is actually being contested) or 'are in the process of having that privilege withdrawn'  The fact you cannot see the irony in what you are professing speaks volumes to your bias. UK law stands proudly on the world stage for it's fairness and accessibility and you cannot just arbitrarily choose who does/doesn't get legal aid because of your personal prejudices. And the fact you are quite so willing to throw the baby out with the bath water negates any sensible argument you may have had.

 

Oh and I mentioned pro bono because you insisted that all solicitors were just 'motivated solely by money'. The fact that pro bono exists completely negates that argument too. 

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You could put your cash forward, there is a go-fund-me to get her back here on the dole.....🤭

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  On 2/25/2024 at 3:41 AM, transam said:

She is being financially supported by a go fund me. If you watch this vid a lot will be explained, especially by a bloke who worked around the lady for a couple of years, it may shut a few up, here...

 

 

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Wow, you actually posted a GB News clip as "evidence". Hilarious. You do know that is the most rabidly right wing piece of crap on British TV right? (Of course you do, it's why you watch it, no doubt along with Fox "News").

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  On 2/25/2024 at 5:25 AM, josephbloggs said:


Wow, you actually posted a GB News clip as "evidence". Hilarious. You do know that is the most rabidly right wing piece of crap on British TV right? (Of course you do, you probably love it along with Fox "News").

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That's according to you, a left wing junky, of which I don't take much notice of. You took no notice of the guy talking about his work and the lady in Syria then....?  :coffee1:

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  On 2/25/2024 at 3:34 AM, Bday Prang said:

So she has a "legal team" including a QC.  none of whom will be working for free, it should be revealed publicly  exactly how much this has cost and exactly who is paying for it.  There should be a special tax levied on all muslims in the UK ( and their apologists) to help recover the costs of this and all the atrocities committed in the name of islam.

 

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It has cost the tax payer 5 million for her legal fees to date and rising.🥴

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  On 2/25/2024 at 5:50 AM, Wobblybob said:

It has cost the tax payer 5 million for her legal fees to date and rising.🥴

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jesus Christ almighty.  now at least I know why it has not been widely broadcast.  

For a lot less than  that sort of money  she could have simply disappeared or met with an unfortunate accident, the muzzers would have done her in themselves for far less

Ps the sad emoji I am about to stick on your post is to illustrate how I feel about this, it is in no way a criticism of you 

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  On 2/25/2024 at 6:26 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Begum's legal challenges are thought to have cost the taxpayer about £5million already, and if her case ever reached the Supreme Court, this figure could soar to more than £7.5million, according to legal costs expert Paul Fulcher

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11177619/Shamima-Begum-jihadi-bride-case-set-cost-taxpayers-5m-experts-warn.html

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From the sun, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26147959/shamima-begum-cost-millions-legal-bills/

"Her fight to return home has already cost more than £250,000 in legal aid, with experts estimating that could hit as much as £7million if she now takes her case to the Supreme Court.

 

Paul Fulcher of The Legal Costs Experts told The Sun: “I can see this reaching £7million.

 

“It can only get higher with the way this case it going. It’s a huge cost to the taxpayer.”"

 

From your link, which is from 2022 so costs will have risen,

"Legal experts believe that the cost of the case – in which Begum received legal aid – has already cost more than £2million.'

 

The text you're quoting I don't see in your link, which would be impossible anyway since your link is from 2022. Your article has been updated a few days ago, but nowhere does it say what has been updated.

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  On 2/25/2024 at 6:37 AM, stevenl said:

From the sun, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26147959/shamima-begum-cost-millions-legal-bills/

"Her fight to return home has already cost more than £250,000 in legal aid, with experts estimating that could hit as much as £7million if she now takes her case to the Supreme Court.

 

Paul Fulcher of The Legal Costs Experts told The Sun: “I can see this reaching £7million.

 

“It can only get higher with the way this case it going. It’s a huge cost to the taxpayer.”"

 

From your link, which is from 2022 so costs will have risen,

"Legal experts believe that the cost of the case – in which Begum received legal aid – has already cost more than £2million.'

 

The text you're quoting I don't see in your link, which would be impossible anyway since your link is from 2022.

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So you asked for a source, one was provided then you find your own, why waste others time?

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  On 2/25/2024 at 2:29 AM, Scouse123 said:

 

Nothing has replaced the British legal process, hence this case is still ongoing appeal after appeal at the expense of the British taxpayer,

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You and many others on this forum have ignored the great point of principle at stake here.It is perfectly possible to hold this individual in contempt and yet insist she has a right to her nationality.Some will be surprised by the author of what follows.

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-shouldnt-have-lost-her-british-citizenship/

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  On 2/25/2024 at 6:38 AM, Bkk Brian said:

So you asked for a source, one was provided then you find your own, why waste others time?

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Nowhere in your link does it mention your quoted text.

I shouldn't have to ask for a link anyways, it should have been given already.

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  On 2/25/2024 at 6:46 AM, Bday Prang said:

Just stop there for one minute and consider what you have just written.    To describe anything broadcast on UK television as "rabidly right wing" is totally  ridiculous and exactly the sort of baseless rubbish normally heard coming out of the mouths of blue haired students majoring in gender studies,  the same sort of people that want to ban clapping at university and replace it instead with "jazz hands" gesticulations for fear of triggering the more sensitive amongst us.

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Yep, sad really, but Corbynites do that sort of thing......🥴

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  On 2/25/2024 at 6:37 AM, stevenl said:

From the sun, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26147959/shamima-begum-cost-millions-legal-bills/

"Her fight to return home has already cost more than £250,000 in legal aid, with experts estimating that could hit as much as £7million if she now takes her case to the Supreme Court.

 

Paul Fulcher of The Legal Costs Experts told The Sun: “I can see this reaching £7million.

 

“It can only get higher with the way this case it going. It’s a huge cost to the taxpayer.”"

 

From your link, which is from 2022 so costs will have risen,

"Legal experts believe that the cost of the case – in which Begum received legal aid – has already cost more than £2million.'

 

The text you're quoting I don't see in your link, which would be impossible anyway since your link is from 2022. Your article has been updated a few days ago, but nowhere does it say what has been updated.

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If it has cost £5 it is still £5 too much ,  why are you being so pedantic, its obvious to all that her legal bill will resemble a telephone number,  an international one at that. how much do think a QC charges,   i won't be providing a link but i will tell you they are not on minimum wage

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