The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge

[TroubleandGrumpy]

6 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

I stand by my post. It's well documented that angry, older, white, less educated people support Trump. And are very angry.

 

January 6th?

The woke is strong in this one.

[johng]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If you're talking US law, I think it would only cover US presidents. Do you know differently? 

Other national leaders I think would be covered under free speech. 

I've not much idea at all about US or any other law, it just seems odd to me that it's "ok"  to call for assassinations of some people but not for others.

[Dolf]

9 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

I stand by my post. It's well documented that angry, older, white, less educated people support Trump. And are very angry.

 

January 6th?

Trump is more popular with 18 to 24yos

[Dolf]

"Among registered voters between the ages of 18–29, Trump actually led Biden 49 to 43 percent."

 

https://www.vox.com/politics/24034416/young-voters-biden-trump-gen-z-polling-israel-gaza-economy-2024-election

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

If you truly believe in what you post, you should fall behind Liz Cheney and her like minded conservative allies. MAGA is not representing the right but representing Trump. Someone who instigate an insurrection, use language borrowed from Mein Kampf and called for retribution against his perceived enemies is not right conservative and I wouldn’t even call them a far right. Far far worse. 

 

And we all know how popular Liz became. Oh, wait!

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2 minutes ago, Dolf said:

"Among registered voters between the ages of 18–29, Trump actually led Biden 49 to 43 percent."

 

https://www.vox.com/politics/24034416/young-voters-biden-trump-gen-z-polling-israel-gaza-economy-2024-election

One explanation from that article:

"The simplest case against sensationalism comes from understanding the sample sizes of many of these polls. Jackson and Cox are quick to point out that many of the headlines hyping up the discontent of young voters are reporting on numbers in the crosstabs of polls, which usually represent a smaller number of respondents with larger room for error. The USA Today/Suffolk poll, for example, was of 1,000 registered voters; the conclusion about Trump leading Biden was drawn from the responses of 238 people under the age of 35."

https://www.vox.com/politics/24034416/young-voters-biden-trump-gen-z-polling-israel-gaza-economy-2024-election

[johng]

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

how did a falling beam split the Bankers Trust building in half?

 

PH

 

It didn't split in half and it also didn't collapse, debris from the collapsing  tower was ejected causing damage.

The other 3 buildings collapsing into their own footprint still "unexplained".

[Lacessit]

53 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

At least your posts are getting shorter. Jesus they were long winded. Seems to me your job is all you are, all you were. Without the job you're nothing but a boring old man. 

I find Walker 88's posts a hell of a lot more interesting than yours.

 

All you can do is spew Trump Koolaid over threads, without a single fact to back up what you post.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, johng said:

I've not much idea at all about US or any other law, it just seems odd to me that it's "ok"  to call for assassinations of some people but not for others.

Definitely Hitler. 

I think Putin is today's Hitler but I think it's up to the Russians to take care of that.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The woke is strong in this one.

 

Just one spoon next time then?

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The woke is strong in this one.

He spoke facts regardless.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He spoke facts regardless.

 

No facts. Just misguided opinion with a bonus blooper. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

No facts. Just misguided opinion with a bonus blooper. 

Facts.

[Dolf]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I find Walker 88's posts a hell of a lot more interesting than yours.

 

All you can do is spew Trump Koolaid over threads, without a single fact to back up what you post.

Trump hater supporting another Trump hater. All so predictable.

[Roo Island]

33 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The woke is strong in this one.

Woke is a political term created by the far right to fire up the masses. A dog whistle.

[EVENKEEL]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I find Walker 88's posts a hell of a lot more interesting than yours.

 

All you can do is spew Trump Koolaid over threads, without a single fact to back up what you post.

You got me mixed up with someone else. Old age does that I'm afraid.

[Dolf]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Definitely Hitler. 

I think Putin is today's Hitler but I think it's up to the Russians to take care of that.

Hitler killed 6m jews. Putin hasnt. The muslims are killing jews.

[EVENKEEL]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Definitely Hitler. 

I think Putin is today's Hitler but I think it's up to the Russians to take care of that.

But I thought Mr Trump is Hitler, I'm so confused.

[Roo Island]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

No facts. Just misguided opinion with a bonus blooper. 

Guaranteed pure facts. Prove me wrong.

[scottiejohn]

41 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Trump is more popular with 18 to 24yos

I think you meant "Trump is more popular happier to be with 18 to 24yos!"

[Fat is a type of crazy]

2 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  And meanwhile there are Americans still being held in jail for allegedly attempting an unarmned insurrection, when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

 

Putting aside the  concerns about the 2020 election, which hopefully you can acknowledge are extremely tenuous at best, you say you go for Trump because Democrats are too woke and politically correct and are tearing down the values you hold dear. Are there 5 Biden policies you can point too that are woke -  preferably that would  affect your life if you were in America. This is Biden policies not some obscure Democrat with no power.

The only area I can see as a bit wokish is with the border control but that's been an issue with both sides. One side talking the talk but happy I think with cheap labour. 

But what are these overwhelming Biden woke policies that make you turn to a doofus like Trump. 

 

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Guaranteed pure facts. Prove me wrong.

 

If you want proof then you must offer same. You offered no proof, so it was just opinion.

 

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  And meanwhile there are Americans still being held in jail for allegedly attempting an unarmned insurrection, when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

The Dem Party is not radical far left. This was the type of scare tactics employed by Trump to motivate his supporters. Biden is center left and the party is a diverse, socially progressive that support civil rights legislation, protection for women, people of color, LGNTQ, disable, climate change and nayive American tribes. The worse thing to happen is to fall behind Kennedy who is a independent. The man is conflicted with diverse views of traditionally, liberal, conservative mixed with some conspiracy theories. He is one of yours and will steal votes from Trump. 

 

You seem quite a reasonable guy until you start to blatter about stolen election, classified documents and list of other stuffs. Simply put, Trump broke the law and no one is above the law. And you hope Trump win to have 'tears down the far left" even though you agreed that he is an incompetent idiot. Hard to take you serious. 

 

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Edited February 29 by Eric Loh
wrong word

[johng]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I think it's up to the Russians to take care of that.

Is anyone allowed to "take care" of Biden or "BiBi" if they believed these 2 are also examples of today's Hitler ?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

You got me mixed up with someone else. Old age does that I'm afraid.

Not at all. You started in this thread with a cheap shot on Page 1, and you're taking another cheap shot now.

[candide]

3 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  And meanwhile there are Americans still being held in jail for allegedly attempting an unarmned insurrection, when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

MAGA alternate universe anyone? 😀

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

But I thought Mr Trump is Hitler, I'm so confused.

Not yet 

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) , when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

I think you really believe this nonsense you have posted, and the only thing missing is that it wasn't written by Lewis Carroll who wrote two of the most popular works of fiction in the English language.

 

........radical far left that has taken hold over the Party. 

 

........ Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc

 

......attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection)

 

....Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest

 

....Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish

 

Not one ounce of truth or sense in your diatribe and false claims, so off to bed you go with your cup of cocoa (not Kool-Aid, you know what that does to you) and perhaps you will feel better in the morning.

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, johng said:

Is anyone allowed to "take care" of Biden or "BiBi" if they believed these 2 are also examples of today's Hitler ?

Troll bait ignored 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He spoke facts regardless.

You too strong in the woke