The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

The deficit went up dramatically while Trump was President, starting before Covid.  That is a fact.  https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

 

No amount of opinions can change that fact.  That's why opinions are not valid sources for supporting claims. 

 

Pointing out the obvious is not censorship, but it is obviously a waste of time when dealing with Trump supporters.

I don’t believe you or your sources. How’s that?

 

But please keep posting if helps you cope.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, sirineou said:

The operative word here being "good" 

There is no such thing as a "good" or "bad" opinion except in the view of other people's opinion's IMO.

Opinions are like noses- we all have them.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

I don’t believe you or your sources. How’s that?

 

But please keep posting if helps you cope.

Scary to think of leaving the echo chamber, isn't it?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Most will disagree with you. Trump has been voted the worst president ever. Hands down. Step out of your echo chamber and see what's really going on

I've never been in an echo chamber since I grew up and realised that almost everything I read in a newspaper or see on tv "news" is propaganda or advertising.

 

Take you assertion that Trump is the "worst president ever" which is obviously a biased nonsense. In my lifetime, Bush the younger is the worst president, having gone to war on a lie and caused the deaths of thousands, and chaos in the Middle East which continues to this day.

 

Nixon comes a close second with his war crimes of invading Cambodia.

 

Trump, on the other hand started no wars, was responsible for no American boys coming home in a bag, and endeavored to secure the border and make friends with other countries instead of attacking them and killing a lot of people.

If that's being the worst president, they should all endeavor to be as bad as he.

 

It's a bit sad to me that some people, even on here, are so brainwashed by the MSM that they actually believe not starting wars is worse than starting them.

 

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've never been in an echo chamber since I grew up and realised that almost everything I read in a newspaper or see on tv "news" is propaganda or advertising.

 

Take you assertion that Trump is the "worst president ever" which is obviously a biased nonsense. In my lifetime, Bush the younger is the worst president, having gone to war on a lie and caused the deaths of thousands, and chaos in the Middle East which continues to this day.

 

Nixon comes a close second with his war crimes of invading Cambodia.

 

Trump, on the other hand started no wars, was responsible for no American boys coming home in a bag, and endeavored to secure the border and make friends with other countries instead of attacking them and killing a lot of people.

If that's being the worst president, they should all endeavor to be as bad as he.

 

It's a bit sad to me that some people, even on here, are so brainwashed by the MSM that they actually believe not starting wars is worse than starting them.

 

Trump, on the other hand, threatened decades old alliances, cozied up to corrupt autocrats, and did nothing for hours while the mob he summoned to Washington rampaged through the Capitol.

 

Yep, worst President ever.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've never been in an echo chamber since I grew up and realised that almost everything I read in a newspaper or see on tv "news" is propaganda or advertising.

 

Take you assertion that Trump is the "worst president ever" which is obviously a biased nonsense. In my lifetime, Bush the younger is the worst president, having gone to war on a lie and caused the deaths of thousands, and chaos in the Middle East which continues to this day.

 

Nixon comes a close second with his war crimes of invading Cambodia.

 

Trump, on the other hand started no wars, was responsible for no American boys coming home in a bag, and endeavored to secure the border and make friends with other countries instead of attacking them and killing a lot of people.

If that's being the worst president, they should all endeavor to be as bad as he.

 

It's a bit sad to me that some people, even on here, are so brainwashed by the MSM that they actually believe not starting wars is worse than starting them.

 

Biden didn't start wars.

Wars happened on his watch.

I agree of course that Nixon and Bush Jr. were very bad presidents.

Nixon's crimes seem trivial compared to Trump's crimes though. 

Bush Jr. Iraq fiasco was perhaps the worst foreign policy mistake in American history.

Edited March 3 by Jingthing

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There is no such thing as a "good" or "bad" opinion except in the view of other people's opinion's IMO.

Opinions are like noses- we all have them.

Sure there is, I am really (honestly) surprised you would say that.

Let's say you are of the opinion that when you wanted to warm your hands , it would be better to put them in the fire, rather than close to the fire. 

Gould you say that this is a good opinion, or a bad opinion?  ,  

I guaranty you that if you think it is a good opinion now, you would change your mind in a millisecond if you tried it.

If you don't believe me trye it!And please make sure to video tape it and post it on youtube, I think it will rival in popularity the video of the lady and her son who identified as a cat. 

By the way you suppose the boy scratched up her furniture? 

 

[Roo Island]

14 hours ago, G_Money said:

I’ll respond in accordance your first paragraph.  The first paragraph explained everything I needed to know about you.

 

The rest is as boring as Walkers.

 

No need to feel sorry for me.  Quite comfortable in my political affiliation.

 

Show the pity for yourself.  Like it not Fox is legitimate, acceptable news and here to stay.

 

Perhaps not in your eyes but who are you to dictate to anyone what’s acceptable and real.  You sound like a dictator , facist, Marxist and Nazi all rolled into one.  Exactly what the left claims Trump to be.  
 

You don’t agree with Fox so no one should be able to post news or opinions.  Classic leftist!

 

So as long as the left posts their news,  I’ll continue to post Fox.  
 

You don’t have to like it, but you’re going to have to deal with it.  The scroll button is a nice feature too, and it’s free.

 

Check the forum rules or consult with a moderator.

Escape your echo chamber. Bizarre how some get stuck in there.

 

Fox News is ok. It's the opinion hosts that are liars. As shown for Tucker above. Sad some fall for the lies. Heck, actually like them.

[Roo Island]

13 hours ago, G_Money said:

I never said they were facts.  They are part of   news and information and true more times than not.

 

I understand you don’t agree with me and that’s ok.  I’m a fiscal conservative and a Trump supporter.
 

 I won’t try to censor or ban you.  
 

The left are masters in that field.

You mean you like alternative facts that support your view of things. They love sheeple like you. Just gobble up the misinformation and become more hateful.

 

Bizarre how the right gets upset about the smallest things. Like the Bud Light issue. Driven by haters.

[Skipalongcassidy]

10 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

   It's the opinion hosts that are liars.  

By definition opinions are not lies in and of themselves... they are opinions... 

opinion /ə-pĭn′yən/

noun

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

[Walker88]

On 3/2/2024 at 9:59 PM, Hawaiian said:

What happens if you are wrong about what happens this November?

If actual democracy elects the scumball trump, then the old adage proves itself again, that the people get the govt they deserve.

 

That so many loser, poorly educated, "keep govt out of my Medicare" morons think the self-serving, pathological liar, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank fraudster, convicted insurance fraudster, begging grifter trump is their messiah, good luck to them and you.

 

Success has always eluded trumpers, but the bloated one told the losers their abject failure in life is others' fault. Losers grasp excuses. I see that when I look at trump rallies, where he rambles incoherently, I see it on this site where nobody has any actual explanation for trump's calling his goobers to DC, telling them to march to the Capitol, getting involved in the fake elector scheme, trying to pressure the GA SecState to make up votes, stealing thousands of highly classified documents (as if wedding planners need such things), etc.

 

I guess losers are going to be losers, so rather than see their messiah for what he is, they live for the false hope that he will somehow salvage their total failure of a life.

 

Good luck to you.

[Roo Island]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've never been in an echo chamber since I grew up and realised that almost everything I read in a newspaper or see on tv "news" is propaganda or advertising.

 

Take you assertion that Trump is the "worst president ever" which is obviously a biased nonsense. In my lifetime, Bush the younger is the worst president, having gone to war on a lie and caused the deaths of thousands, and chaos in the Middle East which continues to this day.

 

Nixon comes a close second with his war crimes of invading Cambodia.

 

Trump, on the other hand started no wars, was responsible for no American boys coming home in a bag, and endeavored to secure the border and make friends with other countries instead of attacking them and killing a lot of people.

If that's being the worst president, they should all endeavor to be as bad as he.

 

It's a bit sad to me that some people, even on here, are so brainwashed by the MSM that they actually believe not starting wars is worse than starting them.

 

Everything you read in a newspaper is propaganda? Are you reading Chinese or Russian papers?

 

Several polls have been taken and Trump ended up as the worst president ever. Seems like your disdain for credible media outlets is keeping you in an echo chamber?

 

MSM doesn't brainwash people. Far right media outlets do along with associated politicians. Specifically Trump. Biggest liar ever. Hopefully you are aware of this?

[Skipalongcassidy]

18 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Sure there is, I am really (honestly) surprised you would say that.

Let's say you are of the opinion that when you wanted to warm your hands , it would be better to put them in the fire, rather than close to the fire. 

Gould you say that this is a good opinion, or a bad opinion?  ,  

I guaranty you that if you think it is a good opinion now, you would change your mind in a millisecond if you tried it.

If you don't believe me trye it!And please make sure to video tape it and post it on youtube, I think it will rival in popularity the video of the lady and her son who identified as a cat. 

By the way you suppose the boy scratched up her furniture? 

 

After proof is offered an opinion can be proven good or bad... but offering your opinion as proof when there is a lack of concrete evidence doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[Roo Island]

3 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

By definition opinions are not lies in and of themselves... they are opinions... 

opinion /ə-pĭn′yən/

noun

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

It's been said by Tucker Carlson's lawyers that he doesn't tell the truth. And as you posted above, they aren't to be believed. Especially if coming from politicians or far right media outlets.

[Skipalongcassidy]

1 minute ago, Roo Island said:

It's been said by Tucker Carlson's lawyers that he doesn't tell the truth. And as you posted above, they aren't to be believed. Especially if coming from politicians or far right media outlets.

After proof is offered an opinion can be proven good or bad... but offering your opinion as proof when there is a lack of concrete evidence doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

It has been determined that the liberal left media sources are caught lying more often than the far right...

[Hawaiian]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

If actual democracy elects the scumball trump, then the old adage proves itself again, that the people get the govt they deserve.

 

That so many loser, poorly educated, "keep govt out of my Medicare" morons think the self-serving, pathological liar, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank fraudster, convicted insurance fraudster, begging grifter trump is their messiah, good luck to them and you.

 

Success has always eluded trumpers, but the bloated one told the losers their abject failure in life is others' fault. Losers grasp excuses. I see that when I look at trump rallies, where he rambles incoherently, I see it on this site where nobody has any actual explanation for trump's calling his goobers to DC, telling them to march to the Capitol, getting involved in the fake elector scheme, trying to pressure the GA SecState to make up votes, stealing thousands of highly classified documents (as if wedding planners need such things), etc.

 

I guess losers are going to be losers, so rather than see their messiah for what he is, they live for the false hope that he will somehow salvage their total failure of a life.

 

Good luck to you.

Why is it that you only reply to some of my posts and when you do reply you go on a tirade filled all sorts of hateful language?  Is this something you learned as a case worker?

[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

After proof is offered an opinion can be proven good or bad... but offering your opinion as proof when there is a lack of concrete evidence doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Absolutely right

But also it is worth to consider, that maintaining such opinion after it has being proven wrong  is .............

[Walker88]

6 hours ago, G_Money said:

I don’t believe you or your sources. How’s that?

 

But please keep posting if helps you cope.

If you weren't glued to your Pattaya barstool adding adipose tissue to your ever-expanding girth, you could use actual USG websites to see that under trump the total National Debt, in just 4 years, grew by $8,400,000,000,000, or a 41% increase over the total National Debt since the US' founding. You would need to account for ALL additions to the debt, including the OBS stuff.

 

Playing the chubby little monkey with hands covering eyes and ears doesn't alter reality, just as trump producing farcical NFTs where he pretends he could be a fighter pilot or astronaut---as if the fatboy trust fund guy could ever be anything of the sort---doesn't alter the reality that he is a bloated, cowardly clown.

 

There is some hilarious testimony in Cassidy Hutchinson's transcript where she says trump would even run to the White House bunker when a Code Pink protest showed up on PA Ave. Press reports at that time noted his cowardice, and trump wanted to find out who leaked and have them executed for treason (sic), according to both Hutchinson and melania's former CoS.

 

That's your boy...afraid of the 70 year old women of Code Pink.....hardly fighter pilot material.

 

 

[Hawaiian]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Trump, on the other hand, threatened decades old alliances, cozied up to corrupt autocrats, and did nothing for hours while the mob he summoned to Washington rampaged through the Capitol.

 

Yep, worst President ever.

"Threatened decades of old alliances."  Trump basically told countries taking advantage of America to put up or shut up, including NATO members.  Besides Putin, exactly which "corrupt autocrats" did he cozy up to.  Biden soured our relationship with the Saudis.  Like him or not, MBS is someone to have on our side.  And it is not just because of oil. Rodrigo Duterte could have the done more damage if Trump had badmouthed him.  Now Marcos Jr. has mended a rocky relationship.

Agree, Trump did some bad things, but his detractors forget some of the positive things he was responsible for.

 

Edited March 4 by Hawaiian
correction

[Hawaiian]

32 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

If actual democracy elects the scumball trump, then the old adage proves itself again, that the people get the govt they deserve.

 

That so many loser, poorly educated, "keep govt out of my Medicare" morons think the self-serving, pathological liar, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank fraudster, convicted insurance fraudster, begging grifter trump is their messiah, good luck to them and you.

 

Success has always eluded trumpers, but the bloated one told the losers their abject failure in life is others' fault. Losers grasp excuses. I see that when I look at trump rallies, where he rambles incoherently, I see it on this site where nobody has any actual explanation for trump's calling his goobers to DC, telling them to march to the Capitol, getting involved in the fake elector scheme, trying to pressure the GA SecState to make up votes, stealing thousands of highly classified documents (as if wedding planners need such things), etc.

 

I guess losers are going to be losers, so rather than see their messiah for what he is, they live for the false hope that he will somehow salvage their total failure of a life.

 

Good luck to you.

It's going to take more than luck to fix the monumental problems facing America.

[morrobay]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

Nixon's crimes seem trivial compared to Trump's crimes though. 

Bush Jr. Iraq fiasco was perhaps the worst foreign policy mistake in American history.

So Nixons (war) crimes seem trivial to Trump paying off some hoooker .Some tax fraud...  You people and your Trump this Trump that : Really out to lunch. Again the Schadenfreude is going to be worth a million bucks.

.https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1996/2/17/nixon-guilty-of-war-crimes-pthe/

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

After proof is offered an opinion can be proven good or bad... but offering your opinion as proof when there is a lack of concrete evidence doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

It has been determined that the liberal left media sources are caught lying more often than the far right...

Absolutely not true. Unless you believe Trump's propaganda. He gets you to believe it for a reason. And it seems to be working based on some posts here. Total echo chamber.

[Roo Island]

50 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

It's going to take more than luck to fix the monumental problems facing America.

One of the biggest problems is the political divide. Based on some comments here, it will never be closed. Time to stop the hated and start fixing the problems.

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

"Threatened decades of old alliances."  Trump basically told countries taking advantage of America to put up or shut up, including NATO members.  Besides Putin, exactly which "corrupt autocrats" did he cozy up to.  Biden soured our relationship with the Saudis.  Like him or not, MBS is someone to have on our side.  And it is not just because of oil. Rodrigo Duterte could have the done more damage if Trump had badmouthed him.  Now Marcos Jr. has mended a rocky relationship.

Agree, Trump did some bad things, but his detractors forget some of the positive things he was responsible for.

 

Trump cozied up to North Korea, China, Turkey, Syria, etc.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controversial-dictators-leaders-donald-trump-praised/story?id=40373481

 

MBS brutally murdered an American citizen. Trump did nothing because he got a huge project there. Guess that you didn't know about it? Or Kushner's billion dollar deal? Wow.

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/saudi-arabias-dar-al-arkan-signs-deal-with-trump-family-oman-project-2022-11-20/

 

Saudi Arabian real estate developer Dar Al Arkan said it signed an agreement with former U.S. President Donald Trump's company to use the Trump Brand for its $4 billion project in the Gulf state of Oman that includes a golf course, hotel and villas.

...........

He enjoyed close ties with Gulf states during his tenure as president, including Saudi Arabia which has invested $2 billion with a firm of Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and former aide, incorporated after Trump left office.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Sure there is, I am really (honestly) surprised you would say that.

Let's say you are of the opinion that when you wanted to warm your hands , it would be better to put them in the fire, rather than close to the fire. 

Gould you say that this is a good opinion, or a bad opinion?  ,  

I guaranty you that if you think it is a good opinion now, you would change your mind in a millisecond if you tried it.

If you don't believe me trye it!And please make sure to video tape it and post it on youtube, I think it will rival in popularity the video of the lady and her son who identified as a cat. 

By the way you suppose the boy scratched up her furniture? 

 

Strange comparison. Why would I have the opinion that a fire isn't hot? The boy that thinks he is a cat IMO doesn't have that opinion, he has a mental problem.

 

Perhaps I didn't explain very well. An opinion is something we all have about things, and some of them may not be very nice, but as long as they are not put into action they are not good or bad. The action may be good or bad. Thoughts are just that, thoughts.

 

You may disagree with my opinions but that doesn't make them "bad". So far, no one gets tried and convicted for their opinions, only actions.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

If actual democracy elects the scumball trump, then the old adage proves itself again, that the people get the govt they deserve.

 

That so many loser, poorly educated, "keep govt out of my Medicare" morons think the self-serving, pathological liar, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank fraudster, convicted insurance fraudster, begging grifter trump is their messiah, good luck to them and you.

 

Success has always eluded trumpers, but the bloated one told the losers their abject failure in life is others' fault. Losers grasp excuses. I see that when I look at trump rallies, where he rambles incoherently, I see it on this site where nobody has any actual explanation for trump's calling his goobers to DC, telling them to march to the Capitol, getting involved in the fake elector scheme, trying to pressure the GA SecState to make up votes, stealing thousands of highly classified documents (as if wedding planners need such things), etc.

 

I guess losers are going to be losers, so rather than see their messiah for what he is, they live for the false hope that he will somehow salvage their total failure of a life.

 

Good luck to you.

That so many loser, poorly educated, "keep govt out of my Medicare" morons think the self-serving, pathological liar, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, convicted bank fraudster, convicted insurance fraudster, begging grifter trump is their messiah, good luck to them and you.

 

I was going to write something similar, but you beat me to it!

 

And to quote one particularly dumb Maganut, "this says everything about you" and I apply this to that particular poster, because if someone is stupid enough to support a compulsive liar and a convicted sex offender and crook, and wants them to be POTUS, then that truly does say everything about them.....sad but on par for the poorly educated losers in the US.

[Roo Island]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Strange comparison. Why would I have the opinion that a fire isn't hot? The boy that thinks he is a cat IMO doesn't have that opinion, he has a mental problem.

 

Perhaps I didn't explain very well. An opinion is something we all have about things, and some of them may not be very nice, but as long as they are not put into action they are not good or bad. The action may be good or bad. Thoughts are just that, thoughts.

 

You may disagree with my opinions but that doesn't make them "bad". So far, no one gets tried and convicted for their opinions, only actions.

The big problem is many take these opinions as facts. Proven by what's posted here. As for Fox, they aren't opinion hosts. Pure misinformation to grab people who like to hear these stories.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

The big problem is many take these opinions as facts. Proven by what's posted here. As for Fox, they aren't opinion hosts. Pure misinformation to grab people who like to hear these stories.

Agree with first sentence.

 

I always assumed Fox was entertainment.

[sirineou]

40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would I have the opinion that a fire isn't hot?

Dude, You do realise that in both examples of my extreme comparison you are of the

 

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps I didn't explain very well. An opinion is something we all have about things, and some of them may not be very nice, but as long as they are not put into action they are not good or bad. The action may be good or bad. Thoughts are just that, thoughts.

 It was not me who put the qualifier "good" in front of the word opinion, perhaps you might  want to have this conversation with him? 

 

that the fire is hot. 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Dude, You do realise that in both examples of my extreme comparison you are of the

 

 It was not me who put the qualifier "good" in front of the word opinion, perhaps you might  want to have this conversation with him? 

 

that the fire is hot. 

Ah, yes it was indeed a different poster.

Apologies.