I hear that in the U.K. re pensions claw backs.

[whiteman]

I hear that they are now x referencing your so-called U.K. living addressers with passport control so that they can see when you leave the country and how long you are out to see if you are claiming the cpi increasers on your government super.

 

Big brother is now watching you and if you are fiddling the system be warned. Penalties spoken about are stopping pensions until cpi arrears are fully paid back over all the years claimed.\

 

This from today the Fabulous Phattaya Media Group

Edited February 27 by whiteman

[transam]

If so, a lot more bum burps forth coming.............😱

[scottiejohn]

Where and how did you "hear" this rumour?

Please i.a.w. the rules provide a link to a reliable  source!

[whiteman]

SEE ABOVE

 

[whiteman]

This from today the Fabulous Phattaya Media Group

Edited just now by whiteman

[Maestro]

8 minutes ago, whiteman said:

This from today the Fabulous Phattaya Media Group

Edited just now by whiteman

 

@whiteman 

Please post a link to the source, as otherwise your topic will have to be removed.

 

[treetops]

There was an article mentioned in many places recently, perhaps even on here too, that focussed on the point in a bill currently going through Parliament which gives the government the right to snoop on bank accounts as described in the OP.

 

I'll have a look for it but if you can use Google you should be able to find it for yourself.

[DrJack54]

https://youtu.be/7H2UmQhXojE?si=hXM1wSefYAu2lK6O

[Mike Lister]

https://www.youtube.com/c/FabulousPattaya?app=desktop

 

There is indeed a story on this at the link above.

[treetops]

Two hits quickly disussing what I think the OP is referring to.

 

https://positivemoney.org/2024/02/how-the-government-is-spying-on-our-bank-accounts/

 

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/dwp-bank-accounts-digital-bill-house-of-lords/

 

[beautifulthailand99]

It's true they are coming for you if you have committed fraud. It was an obvious fix now they have the tech and data to police it. No minster is going to tun their nose up at an easy £100 million pound saving for peanuts in tech investment.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/banking/millions-pensioners-face-bank-account-inspections-fraud/

 

While no overpayments of the state pension have been linked to fraud, £100m was overpaid in the state pension partly due to people claiming who live abroad and are not entitled to payment increases under the pensions triple lock.

Only those who live in the European Economic Area, Gibraltar, Switzerland and countries with a social security agreement with Britain can receive pension increases.

A DWP spokesman said: “This is not a surveillance power, and it does not allow DWP to access bank accounts or see how claimants or pensioners are spending their money.

“Despite State Pension overpayments due to fraud currently sitting at 0.0 per cent, it is important to ensure that if fraud and error does arise in the future we have the tools to address it.”

[Maestro]

As no information provided by these links provided above seem to have anything to do with Thai visas, residency, and work permits I am moving this topic to the forum https://aseannow.com/forum/337-uk-europe-topics-and-events/

[KannikaP]

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A DWP spokesman said: “This is not a surveillance power, and it does not allow DWP to access bank accounts or see how claimants or pensioners are spending their money.

“Despite State Pension overpayments due to fraud currently sitting at 0.0 per cent, it is important to ensure that if fraud and error does arise in the future we have the tools to address it.”

Well thank 4..k for that.

[BritManToo]

Usual BS.

They don't know where you are.

They can't get the money back if they did.

You shouldn't use your UK bank account for foreign spending as the bank will close your account.

 

All these scare posts link to stories about stopping means tested benefit fraud.

 

Enjoyed my 10% rise last year.

Looking forward to an 8% rise this year.

 

Edited February 27 by BritManToo

[proton]

Snooping on bank accounts does not start until next year then. Over 30 billion lost to tax evasion 36 billions the cost of immigrants since 2020, but they want to get pensioners in court over a mere 100 million  That would only pay for a couple of weeks hotels bills for lying illegals!

[scottiejohn]

42 minutes ago, treetops said:

There was an article mentioned in many places recently, perhaps even on here too, that focussed on the point in a bill currently going through Parliament which gives the government the right to snoop on bank accounts as described in the OP.

 

I'll have a look for it but if you can use Google you should be able to find it for yourself.

That new law, which has been passed, is to do with the Tax man (not DWP) and undeclared side income above 1,000 Pounds and nothing to do with passports etc!

Edited February 27 by scottiejohn

[beautifulthailand99]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Usual BS.

They don't know where you are.

They can't get the money back if they did.

You shouldn't use you UK bank account for foreign spending as the bank will close your account.

 

Border Force passport control, of course they know that you have left the UK and for how long.

DWP know your pension payments history it is very easy to tie that to a Border Force file and identify suspicious payments and do a run to produce a file of potential suspects. You then get a letter to your UK address saying you have been potentially identified as receiving overpayments. You have 28 days to explain your situation and sign a statement under threat of prosecution. If they don't accept your reasons, or you don't reply, then they automatically stop the uplift as a minimum. If they are feeling vindictive they can do historical analysis and demand overpayment back possibly by withholding future payments.

 

I used to do batch processing data runs on big computer systems  - this is a relatively easy small project to execute with a very high return on investment. To poo poo this is either naivety or wishful thinking.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

That new law, which has been passed, is to do with the Tax man (not DWP) and undeclared side income above 1,000 Pounds and nothing to do with passports etc!

Read the Telegraph article above, they specifically mention overpayments for frozen pensions.

[transam]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Usual BS.

They don't know where you are.

They can't get the money back if they did.

You shouldn't use your UK bank account for foreign spending as the bank will close your account.

 

All these scare posts link to stories about stopping means tested benefit fraud.

 

Enjoyed my 10% rise last year.

Looking forward to an 8% rise this year.

 

But chancers like you will post like that, after all, you posted, even the police can't find you, which sort of sums you up.......😂

 

Though I suppose you could be a BS-ing Rambo type, trying to make an impression, after all, anyone in their right mind would not post their fiddle on an open worldwide forum as you do, well would they.............🤔....................🤭

[proton]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Border Force passport control, of course they know that you have left the UK and for how long.

DWP know your pension payments history it is very easy to tie that to a Border Force file and identify suspicious payments and do a run to produce a file of potential suspects. You then get a letter to your UK address saying you have been potentially identified as receiving overpayments. You have 28 days to explain your situation and sign a statement under threat of prosecution. If they don't accept your reasons, or you don't reply, then they automatically stop the uplift as a minimum. If they are feeling vindictive they can do historical analysis and demand overpayment back possibly by withholding future payments.

 

I used to do batch processing data runs on big computer systems  - this is a relatively easy small project to execute with a very high return on investment. To poo poo this is either naivety or wishful thinking.

 

If so then why does it never seem to take place, the only people nabbed from what I have seen is when people report cases, not when this tech whizz you describe nets people. If this were the case thousands would be getting letters.

[Mike Lister]

Sales of Imodium in Thailand surge, WHO mystified.

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Border Force passport control, of course they know that you have left the UK and for how long.

DWP know your pension payments history it is very easy to tie that to a Border Force file and identify suspicious payments and do a run to produce a file of potential suspects. You then get a letter to your UK address saying you have been potentially identified as receiving overpayments. You have 28 days to explain your situation and sign a statement under threat of prosecution. If they don't accept your reasons, or you don't reply, then they automatically stop the uplift as a minimum. If they are feeling vindictive they can do historical analysis and demand overpayment back possibly by withholding future payments.

 

I used to do batch processing data runs on big computer systems  - this is a relatively easy small project to execute with a very high return on investment. To poo poo this is either naivety or wishful thinking.

More of the usual BS,

They didn't record past exits/entries .... So knowing if you left may happen today, but it didn't happen yesterday.

 

They also don't know where you went, so again even if they know you left, they don't know if you're entitled to the uplift or not.

 

There have never been any prosecutions of anyone getting pension uplifts while living in a no uplift country. You are not required to sign any documents from DWP except to state you're still alive once you pension has started.

 

Finally, their own published rules state they are not allowed to reduce or stop pension payments unless they think you are dead.

Edited February 27 by BritManToo

[Chivas]

UK state pension is not "sanctionable" was only reading an extensive article over this the other day

 

Inotherwards overpaid monies (on any benefit) cannot be recovered via ongoing state pension payments

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

 

If so then why does it never seem to take place, the only people nabbed from what I have seen is when people report cases, not when this tech whizz you describe nets people. If this were the case thousands would be getting letters.

Because it is being worked on and hasn't been implemented yet. But it will be because it is a very simple and cheap project to execute against a constituency that has no representation back home in any meaningful sense. The issue as to where it is fair or just is a completely different argument.

[Mike Lister]

2 minutes ago, Chivas said:

UK state pension is not "sanctionable" was only reading an extensive article over this the other day

 

Inotherwards overpaid monies (on any benefit) cannot be recovered via ongoing state pension payments

I also have heard that several times. But I have also heard that payments can be suspended, until fines are fully paid, in fact, one of the links posted earlier says the same thing.. 

[beautifulthailand99]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

More of the usual BS,

They didn't record past exits/entries .... So knowing if you left may happen today, but it didn't happen yesterday.

 

They also don't know where you went, so again even if they know you left, they don't know if you're entitled to the uplift or not.

 

There have never been any prosecutions of anyone getting pension uplifts while living in a no uplift country. You are not required to sign any documents from DWP except to state you're still alive once you pension has started.

 

Finally, their own published rules state they are not allowed to reduce or stop pension payments unless they think you are dead.

Ok you get the letter, and then you are required to submit proof that you are living in the country entitled to the uplift. Bank statements, residency permits or whatever. Failure to do so within a time frame is taken to be indicative that you are in a country where frozen pensions apply. That said, it looks like it will take quite a time to implement.

 

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/government-confirms-dates-it-will-start-monitoring-bank-accounts-423419

 

It means the country’s top 15 banks, who deal with the vast majority of DWP payments, are going to implement systems that automatically track claimants’ accounts to see if there has been any change of circumstance, such as large cash deposits.

The DWP has confirmed that they will begin testing the system from 2025, with a wider roll-out from 2027, and the aim of full implementation by 2031.

“The policy has been designed in collaboration with operational colleagues, whereby a period of ‘test and learn’ will begin in 2025 with a limited number of banks and building societies,” the DWP said.

“The purpose of this approach is to get the data sharing agreement between DWP and third-party data holders right, before implementing the policy on a larger scale. After the focused test and learn, the policy will begin gradual roll-out (from 2027/28), with it reaching full scale by 2030/31.”

Edited February 27 by beautifulthailand99

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Because it is being worked on and hasn't been implemented yet. But it will be because it is a very simple and cheap project to execute against a constituency that has no representation back home in any meaningful sense. The issue as to where it is fair or just is a completely different argument.

Government workers are the laziest and most inefficient people in the world, even if they could do what you suggested, it's too much effort for them to bother.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Chivas said:

UK state pension is not "sanctionable" was only reading an extensive article over this the other day

 

Inotherwards overpaid monies (on any benefit) cannot be recovered via ongoing state pension payments

With my chum, they worked out when he left the country, his pension went down to that date, then they pursued the over payment, his Mrs. told me it was 5000 quid.....

[scottiejohn]

At the moment the DWP and HMRC cannot automatically access each others databases for two very good reasons;

1 They are not compatible and cannot automatically interconnect

2 The GDPR does not allow it, even if they could!

The police or the department concerned has to get the equivalent of a warrant to get access to the department accounts and only then access a persons account if "fraud" etc is "suspected"!  

Cool down everyone!

 

 

 

Edited February 27 by scottiejohn

[transam]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Government workers are the laziest and most inefficient people in the world, even if they could do what you suggested, it's too much effort for them to bother.

😂....I can't believe you wrote that......................😂