Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Jingthing]

Just now, owl sees all said:

Jews are religious people. Are they not?

 

Don't believe in God, then can't be Jewish.

Jewish is both a religion and an ethnicity. Being religious or even believing in God is not required to be a Jew.. You really are totally ignorant about this topic.

[owl sees all]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Jewish is both a religion and an ethnicity. Being religious or even believing in God is not required to be a Jew.. You really are totally ignorant about this topic.

Nonsense. Jews are on par with Christians and the others. Simply different beliefs.

 

An ethnicity?! All sorts of people are Jews. Just like any other religion.

Edited May 17 by owl sees all

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Nonsense. Jews are on par with Christians and the others. Simply different beliefs.

 

An ethnicity?! All sorts of people are Jews. Just like any other religion.

More willful ignorance.

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Jews are religious people. Are they not?

 

Don't believe in God, then can't be Jewish.

Religious is a made-up word 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

More willful ignorance.

He's winding you up. 

[scottiejohn]

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Religious is a made-up word 

Just like every word in all languages!

[Social Media]

Please remain on topic when discussing the "Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War." Don't be surprised to find your post disappear if you do not.

[Bkk Brian]

3 hostages have been found in Rafah and taken home to Israel. RIP.

 

https://x.com/LTCPeterLerner/status/1791493525101588932

 

[Neeranam]

 

[Neeranam]

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

Evacuated you mean, nobody was forced. The Hamas terrorists would have preferred them to stay of course, must be tough for them having to leave their tunnels and the 50 tunnels that went into Egypt for smuggling weapons and people.

[Rimmer]

Some inflammatory also bickering baiting posts and replies have been removed.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

21 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas already attacked it as it was being built .

Why would Hamas attacked a vehicle being made to bring food in for the people ?

   Is it because Hamas wouldnt be able to seil the food for their own profit anymore ?

 

Exclusive: U.S. pier attacked during construction work off Gaza coast

On Wednesday, terrorists launched mortars at the maritime construction site, damaging several pieces of engineering equipment

 

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-exclusive-u-s-humanitarian-pier-attacked-during-construction-work-off-gaza-coast

 

 

 

   Hamas attacked a pier being built ,a pier being built to bring food and aid into the people of Gaza .

   Hamas tried to stop food being bought into Gaza .

Hamas are trying to starve the Palestinian population .

Seems like Hamas are the ones intent on genocide .

What a strange war .

Israel and the USA are trying to feed Palestinians/Hamas and Hamas are trying to stop themselves from being fed and provided for .

   

[Social Media]

Once again, remain on topic when discussing the "Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War."

 

Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source.

 

Don't be surprised to find your post disappear if you do not. An inflammatory post has also been removed.

 

There are dozens of other topics on the war including historical perspectives here: https://aseannow.com/forum/432-the-war-in-israel/

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/17/2024 at 11:43 PM, Social Media said:

What has that got to do with 80 US generals and Admirals supporting Israel against  Iran and its terrorist proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen that all seek to destroy the Jewish state?

When it's IMO propaganda by a link to a JINSA site It's relevant.

 

IMO it's 80 warmongering generals and admirals that want to see the ME in flames.

 

This constant interference by the US in the ME has got to end before they destroy everything.

 

 

Edited May 18 by thaibeachlovers

[Nick Carter icp]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When it's IMO propaganda by a link to a JINSA site It's relevant.

 

IMO it's 80 warmongering generals and admirals that want to see the ME in flames.

 

This constant interference by the US in the ME has got to end before they destroy everything.

 

 

 

  You want to see a Hamas victory and an end to the Jewish state .

We want to see peace in the region and that can only happen when Hamas is eradicated 

[Skipalongcassidy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When it's IMO propaganda by a link to a JINSA site It's relevant.

 

IMO it's 80 warmongering generals and admirals that want to see the ME in flames.

 

This constant interference by the US in the ME has got to end before they destroy everything.

 

 

Someone has to be the "adult" and it ain't the muslims... they know nothing except hate and terror... the sooner the world stands up to that fact the better off the world everywhere will be.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When it's IMO propaganda by a link to a JINSA site It's relevant.

 

IMO it's 80 warmongering generals and admirals that want to see the ME in flames.

 

This constant interference by the US in the ME has got to end before they destroy everything.

 

 

Here is JINSA proposal for controlling Gaza after war has ended 

Neocon Iraq war architects want a redo in Gaza

Post-conflict plan would put Western mercenaries and Israel military into the mix, with handpicked countries in charge of a governing ‘Trust’

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-gaza-ceasefire/

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Here is JINSA proposal for controlling Gaza after war has ended 

Neocon Iraq war architects want a redo in Gaza

Post-conflict plan would put Western mercenaries and Israel military into the mix, with handpicked countries in charge of a governing ‘Trust’

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-gaza-ceasefire/

Oh please, Responsible Statecraft/Quincy Institute. Founded 3 years ago with one co founder being an Iranian Trita Parsi (who also happened to be National Iranian American Council president.) The Institute is against all the US Military Industrial Complex and any military conflicts. Especially if it involves Israel as they are also extremely antisemitic. 

 

Republican senator accuses Soros-funded think tank of fostering anti-Semitism

 

The Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft is a non-interventionist foreign policy advocacy organization founded in 2019 with support from two major political donors, liberal George Soros and libertarian Charles Koch. 

Edited May 19 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

On 5/18/2024 at 7:10 AM, Bkk Brian said:

3 hostages have been found in Rafah and taken home to Israel. RIP.

 

https://x.com/LTCPeterLerner/status/1791493525101588932

 

Tragic, another hostage body found in the same operation has been announced.  Ron Benjamin, 53, who was abducted by Hamas terrorists on the morning of October 7.

 

 Body of hostage recovered from Gaza, says IDF

The military said Mr Benjamin was killed at the Mefalsim intersection, and his body was "abducted to Gaza by Hamas militants".

Identification was carried out on Mr Benjamin's body and his family have been informed.

Mr Benjamin's family told Israeli media that he had been taking part in a group cycle ride near the Gaza border when the Hamas attack began and he decided to drive home.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxwwlnrgw7go

 

 

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh please, Responsible Statecraft/Quincy Institute. Founded 3 years ago with one co founder being an Iranian Trita Parsi (who also happened to be National Iranian American Council president.) The Institute is against all the US Military Industrial Complex and any military conflicts. Especially if it involves Israel as they are also extremely antisemitic. 

 

Republican senator accuses Soros-funded think tank of fostering anti-Semitism

 

The Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft is a non-interventionist foreign policy advocacy organization founded in 2019 with support from two major political donors, liberal George Soros and libertarian Charles Koch. 

From your own link

“It’s unfortunate that Tom Cotton is making blatantly false accusations of anti-Semitism against the Quincy Institute,” the institute said on Twitter. “Cotton’s smear shows a profound disrespect for victims of anti-Semitism and undermines efforts to combat bigotry.”

So where the evidence of them being extremely antisemitic. 

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

From your own link

“It’s unfortunate that Tom Cotton is making blatantly false accusations of anti-Semitism against the Quincy Institute,” the institute said on Twitter. “Cotton’s smear shows a profound disrespect for victims of anti-Semitism and undermines efforts to combat bigotry.”

So where the evidence of them being extremely antisemitic. 

Except there are 5 separate links to issues raised and what else do you expect than for them to deny their blatant antisemitism

[Neeranam]

5 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Someone has to be the "adult" and it ain't the muslims... they know nothing except hate and terror... the sooner the world stands up to that fact the better off the world everywhere will be.

What a horrible, Islamophobic, ignorant statement. 

Do you think this is All Muslims? 

 

[Wobblybob]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What a horrible, Islamophobic, ignorant statement. 

Do you think this is All Muslims? 

 

You are either with the Israelis or with the terrorists, no ifs or buts!

[vinny41]

54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Except there are 5 separate links to issues raised and what else do you expect than for them to deny their blatant antisemitism

I take it  there is no evidence of  them being extremely antisemitic. 

Cotton did not respond by publication time to a request for further comment on the anti-Semitism of the Quincy Institute.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/republican-accuses-soros-funded-think-tank-of-fostering-anti-semitism/

Edited May 19 by vinny41
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[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I take it  there is no evidence of  them being extremely antisemitic. 

5 links. Dozens more available. Denial of an Iranian co founded institute and its purpose is noted. Especially when it's critical of an established Jewish org

[coolcarer]

Amazing. 50 smuggling tunnels found in Rafah, 700 tunnel shafts. How much did Egypt know about this. No wonder Hamas spewed out all the propoganda to try and stop the IDF going there.

 

“Nearly 700 tunnel shafts have been identified in Rafah, from which approximately 50 tunnels cross into Egypt. These tunnels are used by Hamas to supply itself with weapons and ammunition, and could potentially be used to smuggle out of Gaza hostages or Hamas senior operatives.”

 

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/17/israel-50-rafah-tunnels-to-egypt-unearthed/

 

 

 

Edited May 19 by coolcarer

[vinny41]

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

5 links. Dozens more available. Denial of an Iranian co founded institute and its purpose is noted. Especially when it's critical of an established Jewish org

None of those links provide independently verified evidence of being extremely antisemitic.

 

The Quincy Institute's co-founders include:[12]

Andrew Bacevich, president

Eli Clifton, senior advisor

Suzanne DiMaggio, chairman

Trita Parsi, executive vice president

Stephen Wertheim

The Quincy Institute was co-founded by Andrew Bacevich, a former U.S. Army officer who fought in the Vietnam War and later became a professor of history at Boston University.[2] Bacevich is currently chairman of the board at the Quincy Institute.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Institute_for_Responsible_Statecraft

Weaponization of antisemitism

The exploitation of accusations of antisemitism for political purposes, especially to counter anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel,[1] may be described variously as weaponization of antisemitism, instrumentalization of antisemitism, or playing the antisemitism card.[2] Such accusations have been criticized as a form of smear tactics.[3][needs copy edit] Some writers have compared this to playing the race card.[4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaponization_of_antisemitism

Here is Netanyahu playing the antisemitism card 

Sanders hits back at Netanyahu: ‘It is not antisemitic to hold you accountable’

US senator says Israeli prime minister is using antisemitism to distract attention from ‘extremist and racist government’ policies

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

None of those links provide independently verified evidence of being extremely antisemitic.

 

The Quincy Institute's co-founders include:[12]

Andrew Bacevich, president

Eli Clifton, senior advisor

Suzanne DiMaggio, chairman

Trita Parsi, executive vice president

Stephen Wertheim

The Quincy Institute was co-founded by Andrew Bacevich, a former U.S. Army officer who fought in the Vietnam War and later became a professor of history at Boston University.[2] Bacevich is currently chairman of the board at the Quincy Institute.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Institute_for_Responsible_Statecraft

Weaponization of antisemitism

The exploitation of accusations of antisemitism for political purposes, especially to counter anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel,[1] may be described variously as weaponization of antisemitism, instrumentalization of antisemitism, or playing the antisemitism card.[2] Such accusations have been criticized as a form of smear tactics.[3][needs copy edit] Some writers have compared this to playing the race card.[4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaponization_of_antisemitism

Here is Netanyahu playing the antisemitism card 

Sanders hits back at Netanyahu: ‘It is not antisemitic to hold you accountable’

US senator says Israeli prime minister is using antisemitism to distract attention from ‘extremist and racist government’ policies

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war

This is just not going away. 

 

Founded 3 years ago with one co founder being an Iranian Trita Parsi (who also happened to be National Iranian American Council president.) The Institute is against all the US Military Industrial Complex and any military conflicts. Especially if it involves Israel as they are also extremely antisemitic. 

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is just not going away. 

 

Founded 3 years ago with one co founder being an Iranian Trita Parsi (who also happened to be National Iranian American Council president.) The Institute is against all the US Military Industrial Complex and any military conflicts. Especially if it involves Israel as they are also extremely antisemitic. 

 he is also Swedish and lived in Sweden from the age of 4 as his father was jailed by both the Shah of Iran and  Ayatollah Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini

Early in his career, Parsi worked for the Swedish Permanent Mission to the United Nations in New York, where he served in the Security Council, handling the affairs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Tajikistan, and Western Sahara, and on the General Assembly's Third Committee, addressing human rights in Iran, Afghanistan, Myanmar and Iraq.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trita_Parsi

And still no  independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being extremely antisemitic.