Just now, Bkk Brian said:

It does not back your claim 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe it's on point and the quote I provided establishes that Israel's reliance on the accusation of human shields exceeds the bounds of reason.

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I was referring to Neyanyahu and his cabinet. In case you missed it the first time,. Netanyahu is an animal.

No you said: The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation.

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I was referring to Neyanyahu and his cabinet. In case you missed it the first time,. Netanyahu is an animal.

Strange you never mentioned him, and if a poster were to have said that Israel deserves 7/11 what would you think of that poster?

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you said: The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation.

 

The Israelis are led by Netanyahu. He speaks for Israelis and commands them. You continually try this line of pedantic argument on. Try a little nuance for a change.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe it's on point and the quote I provided establishes that Israel's reliance on the accusation of human shields exceeds the bounds of reason.

Its not a case of agreeing to disagree, its a case of you making a false claim and not backing it up.

 

The Lawful Killing of Civilians Under International Humanitarian Law

https://www.e-ir.info/2022/05/27/the-lawful-killing-of-civilians-under-international-humanitarian-law/

 

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you said: The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation.

You will never get a truthful answer from somebody so full of hatred for Israel.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

The Israelis are led by Netanyahu. He speaks for Israelis and commands them. You continually try this line of argument on.

You continue to be dishonest

 

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I was referring to Neyanyahu and his cabinet. In case you missed it the first time,. Netanyahu is an animal.

 

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you said: The Israelis are intent on retribution. That's a subhuman motivation.

 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Its not a case of agreeing to disagree, its a case of you making a false claim and not backing it up.

 

The Lawful Killing of Civilians Under International Humanitarian Law

https://www.e-ir.info/2022/05/27/the-lawful-killing-of-civilians-under-international-humanitarian-law/

 

The issue of proportionality is key. Nobody in their right mind can argue that the proportionality here is reasonable.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

The issue of proportionality is key. Nobody in their right mind can argue that the proportionality here is reasonable.

I know that, why are you telling me? To discover the proportionally you need to investigate each and every bombing. Why did you say It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances. when it is not true?

 

46 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You continue to be dishonest

 

"The Israelis" logically means their government in this conflict. I have said many times I have no problem with individual Israelis, only the government. I don't believe I need to repeat that ad infinitum ad nauseum to stop you relying on pedantry.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I know that, why are you telling me? Why did you say It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances. when it is not true?

 

 

 

OK, it's illegal to kill human shields disproportionally. This brings me to another question which I know you will not directly answer in good faith. Do you believe that Israel's killing of human shields is proportionate and reasonable?

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

"The Israelis" logically means their government in this conflict. I have said many times I have no problem with individual Israelis, only the government. I don't believe I need to repeat that ad infinitum ad nauseum to stop you relying on pedantry.

You double speak then, so every time you say the Israelis you actually mean the government......lol

 

End of, impossible to debate 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You double speak then, so every time you say the Israelis you actually mean the government......lol

 

End of, impossible to debate 

 

Yes I do. Please remember that in future

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Yes I do. Please remember that in future

Thanks for the admission, zero debates from now on, please remember that in future when you ask me questions

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Thanks for the admission, zero debates from now on, please remember that in future when you ask me questions

 

You forgot to answer my question about proportionality in the killing of human shields. I knew you would not rise to the challenge.

 

It is irrational to consider that when I say "The Israelis" in the context of this war that I mean each Israeli individually or all of them collectively. That would make no sense. I never generalize. It's especially irrational when I have made it quite clear over and over again that I blame only Netanyahu and his government and other key figures in the administration of Israel. I think you do understand that I am not racist despite continually trying to imply that I am.

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

"The Israelis" logically means their government in this conflict. I have said many times I have no problem with individual Israelis, only the government. I don't believe I need to repeat that ad infinitum ad nauseum to stop you relying on pedantry.

Why did you say that the Israelis deserved 7/10. You are so disingenuous you are tearing yourself apart and why you are allowed to post like you do is beyond belief. 

3 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Why did you say that the Israelis deserved 7/10. You are so disingenuous you are tearing yourself apart and why you are allowed to post like you do is beyond belief. 

 

Stop lying.

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You forgot to answer my question about proportionality in the killing of human shields. I knew you would not rise to the challenge.

 

It is irrational to consider that when I say "The Israelis" in the context of this war that I mean each Israeli individually or all of them collectively. That would make no sense. I never generalize. It's especially irrational when I have made it quite clear over and over again that I blame only Netanyahu and his government and other key figures in the administration of Israel. I think you do understand that I am not racist despite continually trying to imply that I am.

I am not talking hypothetical scenarios on a case of proportionality of say a residential building and how many would be classed as a war crime because there is no set number, read the rule! It is up to a court to decide on each individual situation, beside since you've admitted you double speak I've already refused any further debates with you. That now also goes for asking such questions that need lawyers, judges and evidence to decide.

20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

"The Israelis" logically means their government in this conflict. I have said many times I have no problem with individual Israelis, only the government. I don't believe I need to repeat that ad infinitum ad nauseum to stop you relying on pedantry.

 

Just for context, about the Israeli population. According to this poll from last November, Netanyahu is unpopular, but there is strong support (over 90%) for the IDF and its actions:

 

New opinion polls just released from Israel Democracy Institute and Tel Aviv University's Peace Index indicate that Israeli attitudes towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are more hawkish than at any point in recent memory.
[...]

Poll results were also hawkish when it came to the use of force in Gaza: 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza, 36.6% said the IDF was using an appropriate amount of firepower, while just 1.8% said they believed the IDF was using too much fire power, while 4.2% said they weren’t sure whether it was using too much or too little firepower.

[...]

Nevertheless, despite the distrust in Netanyahu, trust in the IDF remains high. In Israeli Voice Index Polls conducted between Oct. 24-26, 49.5% of respondents said that they trusted the IDF more than Prime Minister Netanyahu, while just 7.3% said they trusted Netanyahu more than the IDF.

 

https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I am not talking hypothetical scenarios on a case of proportionality of say a residential building and how many would be classed as a war crime because there is no set number, read the rule! It is up to a court to decide on each individual situation, beside since you've admitted you double speak I've already refused any further debates with you. That now also goes for asking such questions that need lawyers, judges and evidence to decide.

 

Nor am I. 44 dead Israeli soldiers for 11,000 civilians (as at January) is not a hypothetical.

 

Meanwhile, are you going to step up to the plate and answer my question about proportionality or just continue to obfuscate?

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Nor am I. 44 dead Israeli soldiers for 11,000 civilians (as at January) is not a hypothetical.

 

Meanwhile, are you going to step up to the plate and answer my question about proportionality or just continue to obfuscate?

Links to all the incidents, evidence of all the incidents, evidence of all the deaths, once you have that send to ICC and stop the baiting, its tedious.

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Just for context, about the Israeli population. According to this poll from last November, Netanyahu is unpopular, but there is strong support (almost 100%) for the IDF and its actions:

 

New opinion polls just released from Israel Democracy Institute and Tel Aviv University's Peace Index indicate that Israeli attitudes towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are more hawkish than at any point in recent memory.
[...]

Poll results were also hawkish when it came to the use of force in Gaza: 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza, 36.6% said the IDF was using an appropriate amount of firepower, while just 1.8% said they believed the IDF was using too much fire power, while 4.2% said they weren’t sure whether it was using too much or too little firepower.

[...]

Nevertheless, despite the distrust in Netanyahu, trust in the IDF remains high. In Israeli Voice Index Polls conducted between Oct. 24-26, 49.5% of respondents said that they trusted the IDF more than Prime Minister Netanyahu, while just 7.3% said they trusted Netanyahu more than the IDF.

 

https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/

 

Every country stands behind it's military in time of war. During the Vietnam war I was vehemently against our participation but stood ready to do my duty if I got drafted.

 

edit: I came from a proud military family.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Every country stands behind it's military in time of war. During the Vietnam war I was vehemently against our participation but stood ready to do my duty if I got drafted.

 

Valid point.

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Stop lying.

You are the renowned liar, you do it on most posts. You have dragged this thread down to level I've never witnessed before on these boards and how you are allowed to get away with your inflammatory posts is beggars belief. 

But with ref to your remarking that the Israelis deserved 7/10, I have it on file and will post tomorrow to remind you. 

Sleep well. 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You are the renowned liar, you do it on most posts. You have dragged this thread down to level I've never witnessed before on these boards and how you are allowed to get away with your inflammatory posts is beggars belief. 

But with ref to your remarking that the Israelis deserved 7/10, I have it on file and will post tomorrow to remind you. 

Sleep well.

 

You'd better make sure my comment matches your terminology or I will report you and refer to this post. Think twice.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

You'd better make sure my comment matches your terminology or I will report you and refer to this post. Think twice.

Oh teacher they're picking on me. Stop your inflammatory posts or do you even know you are doing them. 

3 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

To teach the terrorists a lesson!

 

Is that supposed to be funny?

18 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Oh teacher they're picking on me. Stop your inflammatory posts or do you even know you are doing them. 

 

I post what I honestly believe. For the record, I have no affiliations with any country, ethnicity or language outside of the UK, and all my ancestors were born in Australia. If my posts are inflammatory to you, you need to do some navel gazing. Look at the post above by rattlesnake to gain a clue.

23 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I post what I honestly believe. For the record, I have no affiliations with any country, ethnicity or language outside of the UK, and all my ancestors were born in Australia. If my posts are inflammatory to you, you need to do some navel gazing. Look at the post above by rattlesnake to gain a clue.

No you don't, your posts are inflammatory to most posters on here, usual suspects excluded of course. You fail to provide links to your fabricated posts, you use terminology like "subhuman" and "the Israelis deserved it", you are fooling no one with your antisemitic beliefs! 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As far as the narrative of imbalance between Israel and Hamas, it's not as cut and dried as the Israel demonizers paint it.

Hamas through October 7 clearly BAITED Israel in to a massive response knowing that they had

 

A huge tunnel network

That taking so many hostages would complicate things

That they provided no bomb shelters for their civilians (which they could have well afforded as part of their tunnel network)

Using their age old tactic of using civilians as human shields

Knowing there would be large casualties of women and children

Knowing that it would all be on social media and  they and their Tik Tok River to the Sea agents could win a huge global propaganda victory falsely accusing Israel of genocide

 

So yes Israel is winning the military part but Hamas is winning the propaganda part and its arguable that in the long run the propaganda part may be more important.

 

You've nailed it I think that was the plan if they can't have their land back they will curse future generations of Israel to perpetual paranoia in their refuge and in the rubble of Gaza and a newly emerging multipolar world with a declining US Hamas 2 will arise intent on the same revenge as their martyrs from this.