TroubleandGrumpy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, dinsdale said: They were taken down by 250 unelected senators put in by the Junta. They won the election with just under 38% of the vote grabbing 151 seats and in Thailand that's a landslide. Pita was cleared of the bogus charge of shareholding in a (defunct) media company is correct but it was enough to prevent him from being PM. The only way to change the system is to get the military out because this is the only way that a party that wants to change the system can get in. If this is not clearly evident then nothing is. The system is what it is - to change it (including military involvement) means getting inside the sytem and changing it. I agree with your points - but just because the system did not do want you wanted it to do, does not mean you are right or wrong. Politics is a dirty game - and MFP were very naive - they were taken down by their political opponents. Pita has ascaped (unlike Thanathorn before him) but the MFP Party is in serious danger of being dissolved - all because of the tactics of their political opponents. It does not matter that how that was done is unfair - politics is unfair. Demanding a change and criticising the current system setup, aint gonna make things change - MFP did not know how to 'move forward' and they were played by politically smart opponents. Example of what they should have done - Pita agrees to stand down as leader and PM of MFP/PT coalition - separately deals with the case about being excluded for 'owning' shares. They nominate a leader/PM from the MFP/PT coalition that is acceptable to the Senate. Then after the Senate elections in May/June 2024, the MFP challenges for the position of PM with Pita as the nominee (given he wins his case). PT either agrees of they have to form a coalition with the Military Parties. Doing that this year was obviously needed in the powerr vacuum created with MFP refusing to back down. But doing that in 2024 would be electoral suicide for PT. Another Example of how to do things in Politics - The return of Thaksin. Smart clever and achieved with a minimum of problems to Thaksin himself - slowly slowly while planning ahead. This current trip to Chiang Mai is part of that. That is how smart clever politicians plan ahead and get things done. Sister next year - maybe even later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2024 at 8:07 AM, soalbundy said: Acquiescence is the silence before the storm, you can't cover a hole in the ground with a tarpaulin and pretend it isn't there, somebody may fall in. They've been acquiescing through about 20 coups over the years. It's a very very long silence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/12/2024 at 5:12 PM, proton said: Pointless they just get a new name and try again Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Election Commission = Coup D'etat Commission Same as it ever was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoKorat Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said: Politics is a dirty game - and MFP were very naive - they were taken down by their political opponents. Pita has ascaped (unlike Thanathorn before him) but the MFP Party is in serious danger of being dissolved - all because of the tactics of their political opponents. It does not matter that how that was done is unfair - politics is unfair. Demanding a change and criticising the current system setup, aint gonna make things change - MFP did not know how to 'move forward' and they were played by politically smart opponents. There ain't no politics at play in Thailand, only a group of about 6 families who's only interest is maintaining their power and therefore their wealth. They do that through their lackies, the military. Ever wondered why, despite constant announcements of new policies, nothing much actually happens in Thai politics? Why consecutive Thai governments 'talk a lot but do nothing'? Its just a game. The only serious business is keeping those who threaten the status quo, down - and that's exactly what's going on here. They know the MFP will be back again with a new name, just as Future Forward became Move Forward but they're just about to be knocked back a few years..........and so it goes on. Look what happend to Thaksin, he got too big for his boots, became too popular so he was punished to remind him of his place and now he's been allowed back again. Its not politics, its greed. The lengths some people will go to to maintain and increase phenominal wealth is difficult to understand. What drives someone who has more wealth than they can ever fully utilise is totally beyond my comprehension. I'm not talking about a few millionaires ($) - the wealth some people have is staggering but it never seems enough. Edited March 15 by MangoKorat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Concerns could arise with the public unrest it can creat if the party is dissolved. This could lead to the army once again hitting the streets to contain the unrest and the next chapter will be a bis repetita placent of the past: the brown uniforms will be back to rule ? hopefully it won't happen but nobody knows. This will surely scare away foreign investment anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fondue zoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Taking bets on what the new name will be. v1. FFP v2. MFP v3. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleandGrumpy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 16 hours ago, MangoKorat said: There ain't no politics at play in Thailand, only a group of about 6 families who's only interest is maintaining their power and therefore their wealth. They do that through their lackies, the military. Ever wondered why, despite constant announcements of new policies, nothing much actually happens in Thai politics? Why consecutive Thai governments 'talk a lot but do nothing'? Its just a game. The only serious business is keeping those who threaten the status quo, down - and that's exactly what's going on here. They know the MFP will be back again with a new name, just as Future Forward became Move Forward but they're just about to be knocked back a few years..........and so it goes on. Look what happend to Thaksin, he got too big for his boots, became too popular so he was punished to remind him of his place and now he's been allowed back again. Its not politics, its greed. The lengths some people will go to to maintain and increase phenominal wealth is difficult to understand. What drives someone who has more wealth than they can ever fully utilise is totally beyond my comprehension. I'm not talking about a few millionaires ($) - the wealth some people have is staggering but it never seems enough. Yes indeed there are several extremely wealthy Thainese families pulling strings behind the scenes. But what you are talking about is Politics and how the political game is played in Thailand - here it is very obvious and very naive. In the West there are political 'experts' who are employed by wannabe politicians and their Parties. Those experts know all the rules, regs and the ropes - they are given everything about a politician and his/her family and they are the ones who would have said to Pita 'you better sell off those shares now'. In Asia those advisers/experts tend to be inside the families - and in Thai families the only ones I see with such advisers and expertise are the Shinawatras. They are building a dynasty of political power and wealth - and at the moment they are the only ones that I can see doing it. Like the Bushes and Kennedys - but unlike in the West where the political systems do not favour dynasties, here in the East it generally does. Yes I also think MFP will be back if dissolved, but their 'IP' will be lost if they are disbanded - and PT (guided by Thaksin) will be seeking to pick off a lot of their seats that they won at the last election. Thaksin is back for 2 reasons - to see his family and die in Thailand, and to guide/influence the future of the Party he created and to put them back into power. There are many seats MFP won in the North that MFP won and they will be targetted by PT. The thing you raise regarding the wealthy wanting more is related to their families. Here in Thailand, and most Asian countries, they are building generational wealth for their future generations. In the West it tends to be a man who make all the wealth, and then the following generations spend it. In the East they are building wealth for the future generations based on the past wealth that they received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleandGrumpy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 16 hours ago, fondue zoo said: Taking bets on what the new name will be. v1. FFP v2. MFP v3. ??? TTL ............................ Third Time Lucky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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