Vitamins, Supplements

[jvs]

I do not take supplements or vitamins but i have recently started to take

a few natural products.

In the morning,one capsule of tumeric and one capsule of ginger powder.

During lunch one capsule of Cayenne pepper.

I need to do some more reading about it and maybe will add a few more products like that.

All organic,home grown ,dried,powdered and put in capsules.

[jvs]

8 minutes ago, Dolf said:

What is a normal diet?

You really do not know that?

 

[ozimoron]

This guy is my goto supplement guru

 

https://www.youtube.com/@DrBradStanfield

[Paris333]

Calcium deficiency can reduce bone strength and lead to osteoporosis, which is characterized by fragile bones and an increased risk of falling.

Take bone support vitamin BUT with K2 vitamin (calcium phosphate which is absorbable 90%) otherwise calcium without K2 vitamin will lead you in heart arteries problems. 

Source:

https://www.health.com/calcium-deficiency-symptoms-7976013

Exploring Vitamin K2 Deficiency Symptoms

A severe deficiency increases the time it takes for the blood to clot, making a person more prone to bruising and bleeding and increasing the risk of hemorrhage. A deficiency of the vitamin can also reduce bone mineralization, which can lead to osteoporosis

Source:

https://omegaquant.com/exploring-vitamin-k2-deficiency-symptoms/

For this reason Vitamin K2 is with the form D3+K2 which also is bone support but new studies from Japan medics refer that someone who has bone problems is 100% for sure he also has heart problems and opposite someone who has heart problems he also has bone problems osteopenia or osteoporosis.

Do not choose any calcium from the market but buy calcium phospate which is absorbable and stay away from milk ,yogurts ,icecreams etc because they do not support you enouth quantities of calcium furthermore they are not absorbable.

I eat toffu from beans  with calcium phosphate and K2 everyday!

[Dolf]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

You really do not know that?

 

No I don't. Diets vary a lot across the globe.

 

Would you suggest a Japanese diet then? They live longer than most.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Paris333 said:

Calcium deficiency can reduce bone strength and lead to osteoporosis, which is characterized by fragile bones and an increased risk of falling.

Take bone support vitamin BUT with K2 vitamin (calcium phosphate which is absorbable 90%) otherwise calcium without K2 vitamin will lead you in heart arteries problems. 

Source:

https://www.health.com/calcium-deficiency-symptoms-7976013

Exploring Vitamin K2 Deficiency Symptoms

A severe deficiency increases the time it takes for the blood to clot, making a person more prone to bruising and bleeding and increasing the risk of hemorrhage. A deficiency of the vitamin can also reduce bone mineralization, which can lead to osteoporosis

Source:

https://omegaquant.com/exploring-vitamin-k2-deficiency-symptoms/

For this reason Vitamin K2 is with the form D3+K2 which also is bone support but new studies from Japan medics refer that someone who has bone problems is 100% for sure he also has heart problems and opposite someone who has heart problems he also has bone problems osteopenia or osteoporosis.

Do not choose any calcium from the market but buy calcium phospate which is absorbable and stay away from milk ,yogurts ,icecreams etc because they do not support you enouth quantities of calcium furthermore they are not absorbable.

I eat toffu from beans  with calcium phosphate and K2 everyday!

 

Generally agreed (I'm no expert) but the guy whose link I posted above claims there's little evidence that K2 does much for osteoporosis. There is more evidence that it benefits cardiovascular health although all K2 research is scant.

[KhunLA]

I get my K1 & 2 with Kefir & Natto

[Paris333]

In a 2019 meta-analysisTrusted Source of 21 studies and 222,592 participants, an increased dietary intake of either vitamin K1 or K2 was linked with a moderately reduced risk of coronary heart disease, although not with mortality.

Source:

Association of vitamin K with cardiovascular events and all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31119401/

When the body receives calcium, it is deposited in the "easiest" organs and does not go to the bones.
In order to "clean" our heart arteries and blood vessels from calcifications we take vitamin K2 which "cleans" calcium from the arteries and blood vessels that block blood flow and deposits it in our bones.

Vitamin K2 is basic necessary vitamin to everyone and it doesnt have to do if you are on your 30s or on your 60s. Vitamin K2 is a fat-soluble vitamin. Fat-soluble vitamins are absorbed much better when consumed with dietary fat.

Edited March 19 by Paris333

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I get my K1 & 2 with Kefir & Natto

 

I tried natto recently. I don't dislike the taste but the stink lingers in the room all day and and I kept burping natto stink the whole day.

 

Kefir does not contain sufficient amounts of K2 to be a sufficient source on its own.

[KhunLA]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

I tried natto recently. I don't dislike the taste but the stink lingers in the room all day and and I kept burping natto stink the whole day.

 

Kefir does not contain sufficient amounts of K2 to be a sufficient source on its own.

We make our own kefir (for K1) & natto (K2), so guessing better than store bought, and has no smell or off taste.  Certainly wouldn't call the natto tasty, but eating 50-100gr a day isn't unpleasant in any way.  Actually chase it down with the kefir.  Kefir is quite tasty, and I'm surprised I like it.  Really thickens up in the frig, and think Greek yogurt.

Edited March 20 by KhunLA

[ChrisKC]

11 hours ago, Dolf said:

How is it silly? I've spoken to people who are older than you and probably more fit than you. They take supplements.

 

Humans can live to 120. Making it to 79 is no big deal.

 

Runners over 90yo doing marathons.

 

If you diet works for you great but it does not prove anything. Sample size of 1.

From silly to stupid. 

Don't waste any more of your time

[Acharn]

On 3/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, Dolf said:

Why are they scams? Most athletes take them and they know better than most.

I'm pretty sure one third of what they're taking is worthless, one third you or I would need a prescription for, and the rest are illegal. I dunno. I confess I take vitamins and/or supplements from time to time, but usually they don't make any difference in how I feel. I'm sorry I posted on the topic.

[Dolf]

3 minutes ago, Acharn said:

I'm pretty sure one third of what they're taking is worthless, one third you or I would need a prescription for, and the rest are illegal. I dunno. I confess I take vitamins and/or supplements from time to time, but usually they don't make any difference in how I feel. I'm sorry I posted on the topic.

Maybe you are taking the wrong ones.

[Acharn]

11 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Maybe you are taking the wrong ones.

Yeah, that's actually pretty likely. I tend to be a cheapskate. About 47 years ago I quit drinking alcohol (I am self-diagnosed as an alcoholic). I started eating a healthier diet (I was in the Army at the time, so I ate what was served in the mess hall) and exercising regularly. After a year, I was in great shape, without any vitamins or supplements. I also started following a couple of Usenet newsgroups devoted to health and body-building. Most of the people there (mostly power lifters, rather than body builders) were skeptical of vitamins and supplements; they were very concerned to avoid steroids. Alas, with the growth of the commercial world wide web Usenet is practically extinct and I haven't had the comfort of those newsgroups since the late '90s. By the way, I think the body builders had a somewhat different attitude toward vitamins and supplements (and steroids), but I never got into that side of it. I'm 86 now, and think my good health comes from that period of several years of physical fitness.

Edited March 21 by Acharn

[Dolf]

5 minutes ago, Acharn said:

Yeah, that's actually pretty likely. I tend to be a cheapskate. About 47 years ago I quit drinking alcohol (I am self-diagnosed as an alcoholic). I started eating a healthier diet (I was in the Army at the time, so I ate what was served in the mess hall) and exercising regularly. After a year, I was in great shape, without any vitamins or supplements. I also started following a couple of Usenet newsgroups devoted to health and body-building. Most of the people there (mostly power lifters, rather than body builders) were skeptical of vitamins and supplements; they were very concerned to avoid steroids. Alas, with the growth of the commercial world wide web Usenet is practically extinct and I haven't had the comfort of those newsgroups since the late '90s. By the way, I think the body builders had a somewhat different attitude toward vitamins and supplements (and steroids), but I never got into that side of it. I'm 86 now, and think my good health comes from that period of several years of physical fitness.

Cheap vitamins often do little because they are in oxide form so you absorb very little. Powders absorb best and things like Bs and Magnesium in powder form do work well from my experience.

 

 

[Antiparovian]

Stop them all if you have a decent diet. Big Suppla relies on your health fears and vunerability. It is a 180 BILLION USD market. A huge con. BTW I am a retired Consultant Physician.

[georgegeorgia]

26 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

Stop them all if you have a decent diet. Big Suppla relies on your health fears and vunerability. It is a 180 BILLION USD market. A huge con. BTW I am a retired Consultant Physician.

Hi Doctor

What do you think of taking vitamin D capsules daily 

I work night shift so don't get much Sun 

[Ralf001]

On 3/18/2024 at 1:54 PM, Sheryl said:

Check your B12 levels.

 

Sometimes necessary to add sublingual B12 as older people may gave trouble absorbing it orally (but if your levels are normal, no need)

 

 

 

I doubt georgieboy has issue with taking it orally.

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Hi Doctor

What do you think of taking vitamin D capsules daily 

I work night shift so don't get much Sun 

 

You have more access to sunlight than say an office worker on day shift.

 

why don't you get much ?

[JackGats]

I take either DIM or Tribulus terrestris every day as they're said to be good for hormonal balance.

 

I've recently started on Panax ginseng every morning at breakfast. I didn't expect much from Ginseng as it is somewhat old-hat. I'm surprised though: it takes me through the day without needing any nap. 

 

I don't even mention the 50mg DHEA I take first-thing in the morning. Have been doing so for over 20 years now. I dread to think what would happen if I couldn't source DHEA all of a sudden. I'd probably go into depression in a matter of days.

[newbee2022]

On 3/18/2024 at 1:37 PM, Jaymatheson said:

Getting older and slowly adding various things into my daily intake.  Currently taking Zinc Picolinate, D3, Omega 3, B Complex, and C.  I don't have any known health issues worth mentioning and don't really have much insight on my body as I've never had any serious problems to look into.  I eat healthy and stay in shape.

 

Any recommendations of what I should add to my daily vitamin / supplement routine? 

 

Thanks

If you are used to eat healthy food you don't need to take any supplements. However you might distribute your money to many dealers who promise you eternal life. At least.🙏

[xylophone]

Many folks will tell you that you don't need a multivitamin or similar if you eat a balanced/healthy diet. And therein lies the conundrum, because what exactly is balanced/healthy diet........ 

 

In most cases we don't know what pesticides/insecticides our fruit and vegetables have been sprayed with, and which we could well go on to eat (remember that a study done in Thailand on "organic" produce showed it to be a complete misnomer, because traces of pesticides and insecticides were found on a majority of them). 

 

Then of course you have artificial sugars in many products, some of which have garnered a bad reputation, along with the artificial flavourings and colourings, some of which have proven to be cancerous, not to mention the canned tuna which contains high levels of mercury, or indeed many different kinds of meat (including chicken) that have been fed antibiotics and antimicrobials, and the amount used by the farming industry in America is absolutely mind-boggling.

 

Just to add that extra virgin olive oil is considered the "go to" oil, but even some of that has found to be adulterated with other oils and not altogether healthy ones either. I did have an article on the effects of heating many of the readily available cooking oils, and it is not good reading.

So it would seem it is very difficult to eat a "balanced/healthy" diet, unless you grow everything yourself, and as for multivitamins, then the article below is interesting.......

 

Multivitamin supplementation slowed cognitive decline in older adults, the COSMOS study showed.

Compared with placebo, participants who took a daily multivitamin/multimineral supplement had significantly better immediate recall at 1 year (P=0.025) and across 4 years of follow-up on average (P=0.011), reported Adam Brickman, PhD, of Columbia University in New York City, and co-authors in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Multivitamins improved memory performance above placebo by the equivalent of 3.1 years of age-related memory change, the researchers estimated. The effect was more pronounced in people with underlying cardiovascular disease.

 

PS. One other thing which is nearest and dearest to my heart is, red wine, collecting it and drinking it are both hobbies of mine, however now the latest research shows that irrespective of the origin of the alcohol, it is a poison in one way or another.

[georgegeorgia]

13 hours ago, JackGats said:

I take either DIM or Tribulus terrestris every day as they're said to be good for hormonal balance.

 

I've recently started on Panax ginseng every morning at breakfast. I didn't expect much from Ginseng as it is somewhat old-hat. I'm surprised though: it takes me through the day without needing any nap. 

 

I don't even mention the 50mg DHEA I take first-thing in the morning. Have been doing so for over 20 years now. I dread to think what would happen if I couldn't source DHEA all of a sudden. I'd probably go into depression in a matter of days.

Tribulas didn't do anything for me .,I took everyday for 12 months 

It's promoted for sexual health and bodybuilding

 

Ginseng, this is a old vitamin my dad used to take ,does it still work?

 

Cialis , I take 5mg every morning and I get more energy and sexual energy, apparently good for prostate ?

 

Vitamin D , I take 2 X 1000 a day 

I don't know what it does ,but I don't like the Sun 

 

Vitamin B complex 

They say ...it's the MOST important and to tell you the truth if I don't take this everyday X 2 I really feel stressed 

Edited March 22 by georgegeorgia

[georgegeorgia]

13 hours ago, JackGats said:

I've recently started on Panax ginseng every morning at breakfast. I didn't expect much from Ginseng as it is somewhat old-hat. I'm surprised though: it takes me through the day without needing any nap.

Very interesting

This is what you would call a "old" vitamin I remember my Dad taking it 40 years ago

 

I may start this again , I noticed there is Korean ginseng, panax ginseng ,even Siberian ginseng.

 

I may have to do some research 

 

[john donson]

On 3/19/2024 at 9:29 PM, ozimoron said:

This guy is my goto supplement guru

 

https://www.youtube.com/@DrBradStanfield

 

his info is years behind and should stuck to his lane with his funding of a study that nobody supports..

[john donson]

19 hours ago, xylophone said:

Many folks will tell you that you don't need a multivitamin or similar if you eat a balanced/healthy diet. And therein lies the conundrum, because what exactly is balanced/healthy diet........ 

 

In most cases we don't know what pesticides/insecticides our fruit and vegetables have been sprayed with, and which we could well go on to eat (remember that a study done in Thailand on "organic" produce showed it to be a complete misnomer, because traces of pesticides and insecticides were found on a majority of them). 

 

Then of course you have artificial sugars in many products, some of which have garnered a bad reputation, along with the artificial flavourings and colourings, some of which have proven to be cancerous, not to mention the canned tuna which contains high levels of mercury, or indeed many different kinds of meat (including chicken) that have been fed antibiotics and antimicrobials, and the amount used by the farming industry in America is absolutely mind-boggling.

 

Just to add that extra virgin olive oil is considered the "go to" oil, but even some of that has found to be adulterated with other oils and not altogether healthy ones either. I did have an article on the effects of heating many of the readily available cooking oils, and it is not good reading.

So it would seem it is very difficult to eat a "balanced/healthy" diet, unless you grow everything yourself, and as for multivitamins, then the article below is interesting.......

 

Multivitamin supplementation slowed cognitive decline in older adults, the COSMOS study showed.

Compared with placebo, participants who took a daily multivitamin/multimineral supplement had significantly better immediate recall at 1 year (P=0.025) and across 4 years of follow-up on average (P=0.011), reported Adam Brickman, PhD, of Columbia University in New York City, and co-authors in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Multivitamins improved memory performance above placebo by the equivalent of 3.1 years of age-related memory change, the researchers estimated. The effect was more pronounced in people with underlying cardiovascular disease.

 

PS. One other thing which is nearest and dearest to my heart is, red wine, collecting it and drinking it are both hobbies of mine, however now the latest research shows that irrespective of the origin of the alcohol, it is a poison in one way or another.

 

some tests have shown because of the use of NPK (only) that fruits and veggies don't contain the vitamins and minerals (how could it with just those 3) they had compare to 50 or more years ago. .. compare that to the raise of obesity ... when I was young, maybe you had one fatty per class ...  zero autistic...

[LarryLEB]

On 3/19/2024 at 1:33 AM, mstevens said:

I am not saying you should take all of these, but this is my personal daily supplement regime:

 

Multivitamin

Vitamin K2 Mk7

Vitamin D (in the cloudy / wet months only)

Magnesium

Fish oil

 

A few notes:

- I agree 100% with the poster who mentioned not to skimp on fish oil. Buy the best you can afford. (I buy Carlson, Wild Norwegian, Elite Omega-3 Gems, Natural Lemon, 1,600 mg which is available on iHerb)

- A multivitamin is useful to fill in any gaps / deficiencies in your diet. Think of it as an insurance policy. Again, buy a good one.

- Vitamin D is a must if you don't spend much time outside in the sun. If you do spend a lot of time in the sun, you may not need it. I take 5000 IU of vitamin D daily for half the year.

- Vitamin K2 Mk7 is very good for bone health and driving calcium in to the bones (and away from the arteries). The Mk7 version is the best as it is the most easily absorbed.

- I take all my supplements in the morning, except for magnesium which I take twice a day, 150 mg in the morning and 150 mg at night.

 

No matter which vitamins you take and how high quality they are, your diet is even more important. Just which diet is best is very much a moot point and I don't want to mess with the thread by going down that path.....but please don't think that taking lots of high quality vitamins will make you healthy, as it won't necessarily. But it certainly will help. What you eat is the most important thing! Combining high quality vitamins with a great diet is the way to go.

AGREED regarding Vitamin K2 Mk7 for exactly the reason stated above.

[Antiparovian]

On 3/22/2024 at 7:24 AM, georgegeorgia said:

Hi Doctor

What do you think of taking vitamin D capsules daily 

I work night shift so don't get much Sun 

Where do you live? 10,000U a day should enough.

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, Antiparovian said:

Where do you live? 10,000U a day should enough.

10,000IU a day ?

I'm taking 2000

[n00dle]

On 3/18/2024 at 1:37 PM, Jaymatheson said:

Getting older and slowly adding various things into my daily intake.  Currently taking Zinc Picolinate, D3, Omega 3, B Complex, and C.  I don't have any known health issues worth mentioning and don't really have much insight on my body as I've never had any serious problems to look into.  I eat healthy and stay in shape.

 

Any recommendations of what I should add to my daily vitamin / supplement routine? 

 

Thanks

magnesium would be my top reccomendation.

i take Magnesium, NAC, Glyceine, CoQ10, Zinc, B complex, D3, K2, and fish oil