Popular Post Social Media Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 President Joe Biden has sparked controversy by labeling close US ally Japan as "xenophobic," along with India, Russia, and China. These remarks were made at a Washington, D.C., fundraiser, contrasting sharply with his recent praise of the US-Japan alliance during a state dinner. During the off-camera event, President Biden suggested that these countries, including Japan, would see economic improvements if they embraced immigration more fervently. He argued that the reluctance to welcome immigrants was a significant factor contributing to economic stagnation in China, Japan, Russia, and India. The initial report released by pool reporters did not include India in the list of countries mentioned by Biden. Press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre later clarified that the president was making a broader point about the importance of immigration to national identity and economic prosperity. Despite the controversy, Jean-Pierre emphasized the enduring importance of the US-Japan relationship, assuring reporters that it would continue. However, she left open the possibility of similar remarks from the president in the future, stating that it was "up to the president." The criticism of Japan's immigration policies is not new for Biden. Earlier, he had labeled Japan, Russia, and China as "xenophobic" during a radio interview in March. This latest critique comes shortly after hosting Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida for a state visit and nearly a year after hosting Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Biden's administration has emphasized the importance of strengthening ties with Japan and India as strategic counterweights to China's growing influence. However, Japan has long grappled with a demographic crisis, leading to concerns about its workforce and economy. The reluctance to embrace immigration as a solution further complicates these challenges. These comments from President Biden also come amidst domestic political pressure over his administration's handling of immigration. With resources strained by an influx of migrants and sharp criticism from Republicans, Biden faces challenges both at home and abroad regarding immigration policy. 2024-05-03 Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 The President is, as is so often the case, utterly wrong. One of the strentghs of Japan is its cultural and social cohesion and unity. Simply put, things work. People don't trash their cities, commit random acts of violence, etc. There is respect for neighbors and public spaces. No looting of businesses. No crowds of homeless bums taking over parks and sidewalks. Things work. And there IS immigration, but on Japan's terms. At present, there are about 3 million foreigners in the country. Demographic problem? Of course. But the solution isn't simply throwing the doors open. Or removing the doors entirely, as Biden has done on the southern border of the US. 4 2 1 2 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 It's amazing that that man is even considered as a potential POTUS for 4 more years. Just because he has failed on the US southern border, it's no reason to demand that Japan invites the unskilled and alien in. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Social Media said: During the off-camera event, President Biden suggested that these countries, including Japan, would see economic improvements if they embraced immigration more fervently. Is that code for "without a teleprompter"? 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 He’s right. 1 4 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, Social Media said: During the off-camera event, President Biden suggested that these countries, including Japan, would see economic improvements if they embraced immigration more fervently. As usual he is talking absolute nonsense. Homogenous societies like Japan see far fewer issues from the "cultural enrichers" that Liberals in the west love to celebrate while quoffing champagne at their Islington dinner parties. Immigrants provide cheap labour for large multinationals at the expense of the local communities. It's clear to see which side Biden is supporting and it is not the "common man". Japan must be laughing at this silly old fool, and rightly so. We can add this ridiculous criticism of Japan to a long list of ridiculous comments made by Biden, alongside the likes of "poor kids are just as smart as white kids" and "if you vote Trump, you ain't black". 4 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 6 minutes ago, JonnyF said: As usual he is talking absolute nonsense. Homogenous societies like Japan see far fewer issues from the "cultural enrichers" that Liberals in the west love to celebrate while quoffing champagne at their Islington dinner parties. Immigrants provide cheap labour for large multinationals at the expense of the local communities. It's clear to see which side Biden is supporting and it is not the "common man". Japan must be laughing at this silly old fool, and rightly so. We can add this ridiculous criticism of Japan to a long list of ridiculous comments made by Biden, alongside the likes of "poor kids are just as smart as white kids" and "if you vote Trump, you ain't black". Japan is struggling with a collapsing population unable to care for the millions of old. It’s not the idyl you imagine. How you got from Biden, through Japan to Islington is a mystery. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Japan is struggling with a collapsing population unable to care for the millions of old. It’s not the idyl you imagine. How you got from Biden, through Japan to Islington is a mystery. The answer to a demographic problem is not to import millions of people from the third world. Care to share your thoughts and experience on how Japan is not "the idyl you imagine"? 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Hanaguma said: The answer to a demographic problem is not to import millions of people from the third world. Care to share your thoughts and experience on how Japan is not "the idyl you imagine"? I just gave an example. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 53 minutes ago, JonnyF said: As usual he is talking absolute nonsense. Homogenous societies like Japan see far fewer issues from the "cultural enrichers" that Liberals in the west love to celebrate while quoffing champagne at their Islington dinner parties. Immigrants provide cheap labour for large multinationals at the expense of the local communities. It's clear to see which side Biden is supporting and it is not the "common man". Japan must be laughing at this silly old fool, and rightly so. We can add this ridiculous criticism of Japan to a long list of ridiculous comments made by Biden, alongside the likes of "poor kids are just as smart as white kids" and "if you vote Trump, you ain't black". Have you ever been to Japan? I lived in Japan a few years. Even they know they have problems, with declining birth rates and an aging population. But there was still a resistance to "gaijins," or foreigners. Yes, Japan is among the safest and cleanest places I've been. But their economy will not survive unless they're more open to foreign workers. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Japan is struggling with a collapsing population unable to care for the millions of old. It’s not the idyl you imagine. How you got from Biden, through Japan to Islington is a mystery. There are other options for increasing birth rates, you don't have to import a load of cheap foreign workers along with all the associated problems they bring. I am sure they are watching the events unfolding in the West and making sure they do not repeat the same mistakes. Fortunately, the scourge of Liberalism has not yet reached Japan and hopefully won't. The have the good sense to protect their borders and their culture. Well done Japan. The last thing they need is a racist son of immigrants standing up in Parliament and complaining about too many Japanese in Japan, ala the recently departed Yousaf. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 Xenophobia as an argument in favor of Japanese xenophobia. That’s probably not new. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Berkshire said: Have you ever been to Japan? I lived in Japan a few years. Even they know they have problems, with declining birth rates and an aging population. But there was still a resistance to "gaijins," or foreigners. Yes, Japan is among the safest and cleanest places I've been. But their economy will not survive unless they're more open to foreign workers. Uh, I've been to Japan. I'm here now actually. Been here more than 25 years. So perhaps I can address your concerns. The economy will survive by automation, as it is now. Robots replacing workers and so on, increasing productivity. And they do let in foreign workers, depending on the needs of a particular industry. But what does NOT happen is the random immigration of anyone who wants to come. 3 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhounan Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 If prefer my own people to immigrants is xenophobic I'm declare myself guilty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: He’s right. Of course he's right. Obviously though it's a diplomatic error for such truthful comments to be made public even accidentally. Oh well! Of course Thailand is similarly xenophobic. Historically its been a massive win for the USA to have a much more open and diverse immigration policy. Without immigration the USA would be demographically aging like Japan and other advanced countries. 1 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Hanaguma said: Uh, I've been to Japan. I'm here now actually. Been here more than 25 years. So perhaps I can address your concerns. The economy will survive by automation, as it is now. Robots replacing workers and so on, increasing productivity. And they do let in foreign workers, depending on the needs of a particular industry. But what does NOT happen is the random immigration of anyone who wants to come. How does that address the allegation of xenophobia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Without immigration the USA would be demographically aging like Japan and other advanced countries. If you can kindly explain how immigration fixes this I would be obliged. Short term yes, long term you are agreeing with an almost doubling of the population through immigration every generation to cover the immigrants reaching retirement ! Ludicrous idea. Migrants on temporary work visa, 100% agree, make them pay taxes and pay for your countries elderly, that way a reducing population would not be effected by immigration but benefit from work visas. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 4 hours ago, Berkshire said: Have you ever been to Japan? I lived in Japan a few years. Even they know they have problems, with declining birth rates and an aging population. But there was still a resistance to "gaijins," or foreigners. Yes, Japan is among the safest and cleanest places I've been. But their economy will not survive unless they're more open to foreign workers. I disagree, their economy will survive, and is very dynamic right now. Their economy may diminish in size, they may have negative GDP which is to be expected when populations decline, but negative GDP is not as bad as people portray it to be. So what if the economy shrinks? So what if jobs are lost? A nation can continue to thrive under those circumstances and a growing population is not necessarily a good thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Well I would have to agree that Japan and Russia in particular are somewhat xenophobic, from everything that I've seen and heard. But maybe that's not such a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 minutes ago, RichardColeman said: If you can kindly explain how immigration fixes this I would be obliged. Short term yes, long term you are agreeing with an almost doubling of the population through immigration every generation to cover the immigrants reaching retirement ! Ludicrous idea. Migrants on temporary work visa, 100% agree, make them pay taxes and pay for your countries elderly, that way a reducing population would not be effected by immigration but benefit from work visas. Doubling? You made that up. I liked when America was great before and embraced being a nation of immigrants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Well I would have to agree that Japan and Russia in particular are somewhat xenophobic, from everything that I've seen and heard. But maybe that's not such a bad thing. Good to mention Russia. They already had an aging demographic before fascist dictator Putin sent masses to the meat grinder and millions of their best younger people to flee abroad. They are attracting some white far right wing morons though attracted to their extremist anti LGBT laws. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: I disagree, their economy will survive, and is very dynamic right now. Their economy may diminish in size, they may have negative GDP which is to be expected when populations decline, but negative GDP is not as bad as people portray it to be. So what if the economy shrinks? So what if jobs are lost? A nation can continue to thrive under those circumstances and a growing population is not necessarily a good thing. It's not that simple. Japan can automate and shrink their GDP all they want, but who's going to pay for the aging population? What's declining is people of working age; the senior population is growing. They need more workers to pay taxes to keep their social security system solvent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Xenophobia as an argument in favor of Japanese xenophobia. That’s probably not new. There is no xenophobia here. A xenophobic country would not allow tens of millions of tourists. Universities here welcome foreign scholars. Also have thriving international exchange programmes. Ditto many high schools. Foreign products are welcome. Foreign culture is welcome. Japanese export THEIR products around the world. Also live around the world. The fact that people don't want unfettered immigration does not equate to xenophobia. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Celsius Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 wow what a moron 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 hours ago, Social Media said: During the off-camera event, President Biden suggested that these countries, including Japan, would see economic improvements if they embraced immigration more fervently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 56 minutes ago, Berkshire said: It's not that simple. Japan can automate and shrink their GDP all they want, but who's going to pay for the aging population? What's declining is people of working age; the senior population is growing. They need more workers to pay taxes to keep their social security system solvent. ' Of course it's not simple but this problem will not be unique to Japan in another generation. Ever rising GDP's and high immigration numbers are both unsustainable in this world now. The Japanese will find a way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 34 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: There is no xenophobia here. A xenophobic country would not allow tens of millions of tourists. Universities here welcome foreign scholars. Also have thriving international exchange programmes. Ditto many high schools. Foreign products are welcome. Foreign culture is welcome. Japanese export THEIR products around the world. Also live around the world. The fact that people don't want unfettered immigration does not equate to xenophobia. The fact you wish to frame the issue in terms of your own personal views on immigration is not addressing xenophobia in Japan. I could do a you say I say counter argument offering up my own anecdotal accounts from having lived and worked in Japan, I choose rather to go to the research: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368363544_Racism_in_Japan_Critical_Analysis_on_Japan's_Xenophobia_and_Racial_Discrimination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted May 3 Popular Post Share Posted May 3 6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: He’s right. Thailand is very nationalistic and does not allow mass immigration. Are you saying Thailand is not a great place to live? It is far better to live here, than in the West imo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 6 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Thailand is very nationalistic and does not allow mass immigration. Are you saying Thailand is not a great place to live? It is far better to live here, than in the West imo. Did I say that? Was life in Thailand even the topic of discussion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Guy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 The "Leader" of the free world, but especially the U.S.A labeling other countries as Xenophobic... POT. KETTLE. BLACK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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