Is this what Trump should do ? -

[Wake Up1]

57 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

None of my children and grandchildren come even close in behavior and attitude to either one of these despicable men.  Both display a lack of character and are conniving liars.

I do not know why Somebody posts likes and laughter  on my posts so much and I do not know who you are. But respectfully Somebody please leave me alone and focus on someone else please. 🙏 

[Yellowtail]

If he pleaded guilty, they'd give him ten years and fine him a billion dollars. 

[thaipo7]

Jerrymahoney - Actually what Bragg has done was take a misdemeanor offenses and changed the charge so it would now be a felony.  He won't drop it back down.  Non-disclosure agreement is a misdemeanor, so he comes up with "Hush money" and makes it a felony. 

[Stargeezr]

This is my opinion of what the USA should do to Trump and his

support staff.  Trump would look great in orange.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Stargeezr said:

This is my opinion of what the USA should do to Trump and his

support staff.  Trump would look great in orange.

Not to worry, the Biden DOJ is doing all they can to make it happen

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, Wake Up1 said:

If you were forced to pick one person of the two I am sure that Trump would be the loser like he was in the last election. No one wants a Trump baby or child IMO. Trump is the best weapon the dictators of the world have ever imagined. Truly one of the five most dangerous people on the planet Earth. 

Who are the other four on your list, and why are they on your list?

[pomchop]

3 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

Jerrymahoney - Actually what Bragg has done was take a misdemeanor offenses and changed the charge so it would now be a felony.  He won't drop it back down.  Non-disclosure agreement is a misdemeanor, so he comes up with "Hush money" and makes it a felony. 

So trumps  charges are basically falsifying business records in order to interferre with an election which is a felony.  The media has painted it as hush money as that gets more eyeballs....the reality is that if trump had not lied and tried to hide the payments  to surpress the story he very well may not have ever won the election.

 

All he had to do was deny deny deny as hope hicks advised....but he was scared to death that stormy and/or karen had hard evidence of the alleged affairs which certainly indicates that trump knew how damaging that would be if it came out 2 weeks before the election right after the "grab em by the pxxxsy" acess holywood tapes....if he was so innocent why not insist that both stories  were fabricated and demand that all 3 of them submit to lie detector tests?

 

In fact why doesn't donnie just take a lie detector right now live on TV and just show that he at least he can pass a properly administered lie detector test? 

 

Come on donnie man up and show us the results on live TV.  The ratings willl be HUGE.   That will show everyone how you are not afraid of a simple test because you know that you will pass the test bigly...and when you fail you can claim the test was all rigged and beg for more $$ from the maga morons.

 

 

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Is Trump acting rational? No.

Are his supporters acting like rational people? No.

 

Mostly rational people, like many of us, don't understand the not existing logic of the MAGA crowd.

That is Trumps power. He understands or feels what he has to do to rouse that crowd. 

 

[stoner]

12 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

I would not listen to Rachel. She's an elitist/socialist/commie. She lives in her own fantasy.

 

a provable liar too. 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

So trumps  charges are basically falsifying business records in order to interferre with an election which is a felony

This is from the indictment and repeated for each of the 34 charges:

 

The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal  the commission thereof,

 

There is no mention or charge of election interference in the indictment, only "another crime".

 

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

So trumps  charges are basically falsifying business records in order to interferre with an election which is a felony.  The media has painted it as hush money as that gets more eyeballs....the reality is that if trump had not lied and tried to hide the payments  to surpress the story he very well may not have ever won the election.

 

All he had to do was deny deny deny as hope hicks advised....but he was scared to death that stormy and/or karen had hard evidence of the alleged affairs which certainly indicates that trump knew how damaging that would be if it came out 2 weeks before the election right after the "grab em by the pxxxsy" acess holywood tapes....if he was so innocent why not insist that both stories  were fabricated and demand that all 3 of them submit to lie detector tests?

 

In fact why doesn't donnie just take a lie detector right now live on TV and just show that he at least he can pass a properly administered lie detector test? 

 

Come on donnie man up and show us the results on live TV.  The ratings willl be HUGE.   That will show everyone how you are not afraid of a simple test because you know that you will pass the test bigly...and when you fail you can claim the test was all rigged and beg for more $$ from the maga morons.

 

I think lie-detectors work only on people who are aware that they lie and/or have a bad conscience.

I would be surprised if such test would work with Trump. Lots of BS comes out of his mouth. And much of it was probably never examined by even one of his brain cells.

 

[Hawaiian]

7 hours ago, Wake Up1 said:

I do not know why Somebody posts likes and laughter  on my posts so much and I do not know who you are. But respectfully Somebody please leave me alone and focus on someone else please. 🙏 

What do you expect when you comment on a post that was directed to somebody else?   Quite obvious you will attract attention.

[pomchop]

54 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I think lie-detectors work only on people who are aware that they lie and/or have a bad conscience.

I would be surprised if such test would work with Trump. Lots of BS comes out of his mouth. And much of it was probably never examined by even one of his brain cells.

 

yep u are probably right...trump has had so much practice with lying that his "mind" and body can't tell the difference between a lie and the truth.

 

...but it could be a win win for trump...if he passed the test he could crow about how it was all a witch hunt and raise money off it....if he failed he could whine and complain about how it was all rigged and raise money off of it....either way the MAGA's would find a way to fit it to their beliefs....funny but if trump took the stand and admitted under oath to every charge in every case the magas would not believe him as they are so accustomed to being lied to by dear leader...

[pomchop]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

This is from the indictment and repeated for each of the 34 charges:

 

The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal  the commission thereof,

 

There is no mention or charge of election interference in the indictment, only "another crime".

 

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

 

 

 

Ok point taken. 

 

But I will assume that the prosecutors certainly know what they are doing and why they worded it as "another crime" rather than naming it as election interference?  I don't know the reason for that but from what i have seen thus far in the trial the prosecutors seem to have their ducks in a row.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

funny but if trump took the stand and admitted under oath to every charge in every case the magas would not believe him as they are so accustomed to being lied to by dear leader...

I guess even if he would admit under oath to every charge in every case and even if they would think he told the truth and he did the crimes, they still would want him to be their president.

I am sure many of them are stupid, but even then, I guess the majority of MAGAs have an idea that he is lying and that he committed crimes in his life. They just don't care. 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

But I will assume that the prosecutors certainly know what they are doing and why they worded it as "another crime" rather than naming it as election interference?

* § 17–152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election
Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or
prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlaw-
ful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more
of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(L.1976, c. 233 , § 1.) *

 

As posted above the statute refers to "unlawful means" but it does not say what constitutes 'unlawful means'.

 

I decided to try to find out in all the other previous prosecutions of the statute, since that statute dates from 1976, what constituted "unlawful" means. But I could not. As best as can be determined even by lawyers with years' experience prosecuting election violations in NY State, that statute has NEVER been prosecuted so there is no trail of what constitutes "unlawful means".

 

So even though Judge Merchan in a ruling has said that the statute is applicable as a possible (an)other crime, they first have to justify without precedent what constitutes "unlawful means".

 

In other words they would be using a 2 part if-then statute to justify a two part if-then statute. Or as one NY State election lawyer put it:

 

Crimes, within crimes, within crimes.

 

* https://elections.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2024/04/508_ny-election-law-2024-edition_0.pdf

 

STATE OF NEW YORK
2024 ELECTION LAW

 

 

[Rampant Rabbit]

flee  to a  middle  eastern country, return 15 years or so  later with |"serious" health issues then re instate yourself................what am I smoking , that could never happen

[Skipalongcassidy]

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

* § 17–152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election
Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or
prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlaw-
ful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more
of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(L.1976, c. 233 , § 1.) *

 

As posted above the statute refers to "unlawful means" but it does not say what constitutes 'unlawful means'.

 

I decided to try to find out in all the other previous prosecutions of the statute, since that statute dates from 1976, what constituted "unlawful" means. But I could not. As best as can be determined even by lawyers with years' experience prosecuting election violations in NY State, that statute has NEVER been prosecuted so there is no trail of what constitutes "unlawful means".

 

So even though Judge Merchan in a ruling has said that the statute is applicable as a possible (an)other crime, they first have to justify without precedent what constitutes "unlawful means".

 

In other words they would be using a 2 part if-then statute to justify a two part if-then statute. Or as one NY State election lawyer put it:

 

Crimes, within crimes, within crimes.

 

* https://elections.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2024/04/508_ny-election-law-2024-edition_0.pdf

 

STATE OF NEW YORK
2024 ELECTION LAW

 

 

One hopes that when this election is over those that are currently conspiring and preventing a lawful election will be held accountable... "Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg should turn himself in to authorities for impersonating an honest lawyer"

[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And much of it was probably never examined by even one of his brain cells.

Are you suggesting that Trump has more than one working brain cell?

[Walker88]

Wow, the pathological liar provided a checklist of why no rational person can believe anything trump says. Various fact checkers took to trump's recent fantasy-filled interview with TIME magazine, and pointing out trump's exaggerations and outright lies was longer than his interview. Even TIME magazine seems to have come to the conclusion that trump's words seem tethered to reality even less that the Flat Earth Theory.

 

About the only truth in the entire interview was that it was, in fact, trump. "Many people are saying nobody knows more about lying than me" /sarc  trump...the Monarch of Mendacity!

 

Here's an article LINK that will require more than a single cup of coffee to peruse, as trump's plethora of lies is noted. Not that this is my Forum, but this LINKED piece might make a good post on its own. It would be amusing to see how trump's cult justifies or excuses his lies.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bombardment-dishonesty-fact-checking-090029549.html

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Not to worry, the Biden DOJ is doing all they can to make it happen

DA Alvin Bragg doesn't work for Biden.

 

Don't you get tired of spewing tired talking points all day?

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, stoner said:

 

a provable liar too. 

Good luck finding a proven lie in her 10 years on air. Maybe a mistake, but the best you will find is a lie by omission.

 

But you love FOX News and they lie constantly. So, what's up with that?

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Good luck finding a proven lie in her 10 years on air. Maybe a mistake, but the best you will find is a lie by omission.

 

But you love FOX News and they lie constantly. So, what's up with that?

 

what's wrong with you ? 

 

 

[Danderman123]

27 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

what's wrong with you ? 

 

 

Here's a headline from the FOX News site: in reality, Hope Hicks sunk Trump with her testimony. But, according to FOX, she ruined the prosecutors case.

 

Classic lie from FOX, your news network of choice.

[Walker88]

26 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

what's wrong with you ? 

 

 

He responded to you, where you simply said "a provable liar". You need to back that up, rather than just state it as fact with no proof.

 

Here's an example of how to do it:

 

trump is a provable liar. See this LINK:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bombardment-dishonesty-fact-checking-090029549.html

 

Of course proving trump is a pathological liar is easier than proving gravity exists on the planet Earth. Probably more than any public figure ever, trump fits that old Q&A "How do you know he's lying? His lips are moving."

[stoner]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Classic lie from FOX, your news network of choice.

 

again. what's wrong with you ? 

 

please point out 1 time i have ever used or talked about fox news on here. or a single link to fox i have posted. ever. or 1 time i have ever championed fox or anything to do with fox.

 

why are you trying to put out that idea ? you make a lot of assumptions over and over. quite telling now. 

[pomchop]

36 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Good luck finding a proven lie in her 10 years on air. Maybe a mistake, but the best you will find is a lie by omission.

 

But you love FOX News and they lie constantly. So, what's up with that?

I doubt Rachael is very worried about any maga calling her a liar.  She has a degree from Stanford and a doctorate from oxford and is a Rhodes scholar while the typical maga seems to have the IQ of a turnip and doesn't seem to notice the thousands upon thousands of provable lies from dear leader..

 

.  I would love to see trump and rachael take an IQ test and compare the results.  I'll put my $$ on Rachel....trump may not like her though as he loves the uneducated ...much easier to con them.

[stoner]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

He responded to you, where you simply said "a provable liar". You need to back that up, rather than just state it as fact with no proof.

 

Here's an example of how to do it:

 

trump is a provable liar. See this LINK:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bombardment-dishonesty-fact-checking-090029549.html

 

Of course proving trump is a pathological liar is easier than proving gravity exists on the planet Earth. Probably more than any public figure ever, trump fits that old Q&A "How do you know he's lying? His lips are moving."

 

there is video online of her lying. i have talked about it and it has been posted on here before. he responded with garbage about what watch or subscribe to for news. a repeated tactic of some members on here.

 

boring and telling. 

[stoner]

Just now, pomchop said:

I doubt Rachael is very worried about any maga calling her a liar. 

 

please show me 1 comment i have ever made in support of trump. 

[jerrymahoney]

15 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

please show me 1 comment i have ever made in support of trump. 

I have found out on here that doesn't make any difference unless you are sufficiently against Trump.