Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Seppius]

7 hours ago, Sunderland said:

When will the suicidal funding of this war end?

 

American hierarchy dragging itself and all of NATO towards Armageddon.

 

 

So you want Russia to take over Ukraine?

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Seppius said:

So you want Russia to take over Ukraine?

 

yes he does, as do the other Ruzzian shills posting here.

 

in some of their posts, one can recognize propaganda techniques, this video explains more:

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Sunderland said:

When will the suicidal funding of this war end?

 

American hierarchy dragging itself and all of NATO towards Armageddon.

 

 

IMO either:

when the last Ukrainian soldier dies or surrenders

or

when western leaders really go insane and send troops to rescue Ukraine from the orcs. That would really be MAD, wouldn't it?

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Seppius said:

So you want Russia to take over Ukraine?

Why would he care? It's not going to make any difference to us who runs Ukraine.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

  
 

You are proposing to take away the very reason for their existence. If not for guys like me and @thaibeachlovers, @beautifulthailand99, @BobBKK, @jas007 @offshore360, @BigBruv and a few others, some of you wouldn’t know how to fill your days

Absolutely correct, IMO. An echo chamber would be so much less satisfying. After all, one can't insult someone that is on the same side, and all they have are insults, IMO.

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would he care? It's not going to make any difference to us who runs Ukraine.

Absolutely. I don’t think that anyone who is not directly vested in the conflict really cares who wins or loses, who runs Ukraine etc. I know I don’t.

 

What irks me is the hubris, hypocrisy, arrogance and imperialism of the west. I see the same things happening here in Asia. What gives the US the right to criticise Vietnam for hosting whomever they like? What gives US the right to interfere in another sovereign nations affairs? The US actions over the past 70 years has been the greatest threat to world peace, from Latin America and the Caribbean to Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

 

[rabas]

42 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Absolutely. I don’t think that anyone who is not directly vested in the conflict really cares who wins or loses, who runs Ukraine etc. I know I don’t.

 

What irks me is the hubris, hypocrisy, arrogance and imperialism of the west. I see the same things happening here in Asia. What gives the US the right to criticise Vietnam for hosting whomever they like? What gives US the right to interfere in another sovereign nations affairs? The US actions over the past 70 years has been the greatest threat to world peace, from Latin America and the Caribbean to Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

 

What gives US the right to interfere in another sovereign nations affairs?

 

What gives Russia the right to interfere in sovereign Ukraine's affairs? Or all the other countries whose territory they have taken over time?

 

There's some of your hypocrisy at work.  

[Gweiloman]

14 minutes ago, rabas said:

What gives US the right to interfere in another sovereign nations affairs?

 

What gives Russia the right to interfere in sovereign Ukraine's affairs? Or all the other countries whose territory they have taken over time?

 

There's some of your hypocrisy at work.  

Russia has a long, long way to go before it can catch up. Don’t blame others for doing the same thing you have done, over and over and over…

[rabas]

Gazprom, Russia's largest corporation, continues its historic slide after a brief blip caused by the ruble's loss of exchangeability. Gazprom's huge losses now drain from Putin's war efforts instead of supporting them.

 

So much for threatening it freeze Europeans to split NATO. 

 

As of 19 June 2924:

Edited June 20 by rabas

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Absolutely. I don’t think that anyone who is not directly vested in the conflict really cares who wins or loses, who runs Ukraine etc. I know I don’t.

 

What irks me is the hubris, hypocrisy, arrogance and imperialism of the west. I see the same things happening here in Asia. What gives the US the right to criticise Vietnam for hosting whomever they like? What gives US the right to interfere in another sovereign nations affairs? The US actions over the past 70 years has been the greatest threat to world peace, from Latin America and the Caribbean to Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

 

Yet, the side your root for -- Russia, China, Iran, etc -- all have similar records, with similar "hubris, arrogance, and imperialism."  You can ask all the same questions about the countries you support.  A little self-awareness would make your posts much more credible, Gweiloman.

[stoner]

On 6/18/2024 at 7:40 PM, Danderman123 said:

And you didn't think that during COVID?

 

not at all. 

[Danderman123]

Reports are that the 400 trapped Russian soldiers in the Vovchansk pocket are down to 80.

 

 

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would he care? It's not going to make any difference to us who runs Ukraine.

It sure makes a difference to the people of Ukraine.

[tgw]

24 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Reports are that the 400 trapped Russian soldiers in the Vovchansk pocket are down to 80.

 

A second pocket could be in the making

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

What gives Russia the right to interfere in sovereign Ukraine's affairs? Or all the other countries whose territory they have taken over time?

The same right the US had to interfere in sovereign Cuba's affairs when the Soviets put missiles there.

This time it's getting in before the US gets to put nukes into Ukraine.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, stoner said:

 

not at all. 

I that.

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The same right the US had to interfere in sovereign Cuba's affairs when the Soviets put missiles there.

This time it's getting in before the US gets to put nukes into Ukraine.

The Soviets put missiles in Cuba to respond to our putting missiles in Greece and Turkey.

 

As a result of the crisis, both sides removed their missiles.

 

The US has no plans or reasons to put nukes in Ukraine, same as we don't put them in Estonia or Poland. Your desire to troll for Putin is becoming unreasonable.

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Covid was IMO no worse than a bad variety of influenza ( which kills many every year ), but by the time the propaganda machine had finished it was going to be the end of the world if we didn't let wannabe dictators lock everyone up, inject them with experimental vaccines and destroy economies.

Humbug writ large.

Flu kills 50,000 a year, COVID was an order of magnitude higher.

 

Russia was particularly hard hit, with over a million excess deaths the first 2 years of the epidemic.

 

You seem indifferent to reality on this issue.

[Mavideol]

we all need a good laugh... North Korea peaceful  555

Russia-Ukraine war – live: Putin makes absurd claim new military pact with North Korea and Kim is ‘peaceful’

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-latest-putin-035046932.html

[Mavideol]

my way or no way and that's sobriety by Russia standards

 

Putin Aide Says Kyiv Should 'Show Sobriety' And Accept Russia's Demanding Peace Deal

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-aide-says-kyiv-show-145142788.html

 

[Mavideol]

next stop.... the "neutral" Thailand 555

Putin in Vietnam, seeking to strengthen ties in Southeast Asia while Russia's isolation deepens

https://au.yahoo.com/finance/news/putin-vietnam-seeking-strengthen-ties-033645581.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine’s new ‘Frankenstein’ tank will put the fear of God into Putin

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-frankenstein-tank-put-fear-094700916.html

 

[Seppius]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would he care? It's not going to make any difference to us who runs Ukraine.

My question was do YOU want Russia to win and take over running Ukraine?

[tgw]

1 hour ago, Seppius said:

My question was do YOU want Russia to win and take over running Ukraine?

 

You will know why he won't answer your question if you watch the video I linked here. It's part of "black propaganda".

 

Edited June 20 by tgw

[beautifulthailand99]

"We had to destroy the world to save the world". How Pax Americana ends - it's either death by sharks or death by electrocution.

 

China will not formulate a strategy to defeat the United States militarily because the United States cannot be defeated (the United States has a huge number of nuclear weapons). From ancient times all empires have not been defeated by external enemies, but have collapsed due to internal decay within. China's strategy now is to continue to strengthen itself and become invincible, and then wait for the United States to make mistakes and collapse.Trump was a sign that the dials are all on red.Just imagine if he wins in November ?

 

“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” Churchill November 1942

 

 

WASHINGTON—Russia’s military cooperation with Iran, North Korea and China has expanded into the sharing of sensitive technologies that could threaten the U.S. and its allies long after the Ukraine war ends, according to U.S. defense and intelligence officials.
The speed and depth of the expanding security ties involving the U.S. adversaries has at times surprised American intelligence analysts. Russia and the other nations have set aside historic frictions to collectively counter what they regard as a U.S.-dominated global system, they said.

 

China has shipped massive quantities of dual-use equipment, including machine tools, microelectronics for Russia’s defense industry, optics for tanks and armored vehicles, and turbo engines for cruise missiles, they said. It also is helping Russia improve its satellite and other space-based capabilities for use in Ukraine, officials said.

 

https://archive.ph/SAyGk

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by beautifulthailand99

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

 

The US has no plans or reasons to put nukes in Ukraine, same as we don't put them in Estonia or Poland. Your desire to troll for Putin is becoming unreasonable.

Did Lloyd Austin ring you up to tell you that? Even if he did, who knows what the next Secretary of Defence (Offence rather) would do?

 

But that’s not really the point. It doesn’t matter what the US plans to do, it’s what Russia thinks they will do. Forget nukes. Even long range missiles constitute a threat. And don’t for a moment think that it wouldn’t have happened if Ukraine had joined NATO.

[Gweiloman]

5 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yet, the side your root for -- Russia, China, Iran, etc -- all have similar records, with similar "hubris, arrogance, and imperialism."  You can ask all the same questions about the countries you support.  A little self-awareness would make your posts much more credible, Gweiloman.

No. The US is the undisputed champion of the world when it comes to hubris, arrogance and imperialism. To deny that makes you totally non-credible, not that it matters on an anonymous internet forum.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Did Lloyd Austin ring you up to tell you that? Even if he did, who knows what the next Secretary of Defence (Offence rather) would do?

 

But that’s not really the point. It doesn’t matter what the US plans to do, it’s what Russia thinks they will do. Forget nukes. Even long range missiles constitute a threat. And don’t for a moment think that it wouldn’t have happened if Ukraine had joined NATO.

Russia has not forgotten nukes, it moved some to Belarus

[Bkk Brian]

Russian Telegram channels report that the oil depot in Azov, Russian Rostov region, continues burning two days after it was hit by a drone attack.

According to further information from local Telegram channels, the second reservoir at the depot got de-pressurized.

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

He's next door boys.