Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

From the UK Kings speech yesterday. 

 

My Government will continue to give its full support to Ukraine and its people and it will endeavour to play a leading role in providing Ukraine with a clear path to NATO membership.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6697f5c10808eaf43b50d18e/The_King_s_Speech_2024_background_briefing_notes.pdf

Ukraine's much touted membership of NATO , should NATO persist will more than likely mirror that of Turkey's acession to the EU. Always tomorrow never today.

 

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

 

Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council. Negotiations for full membership were started on 3 October 2005.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Ukraine's much touted membership of NATO , should NATO persist will more than likely mirror that of Turkey's acession to the EU. Always tomorrow never today.

 

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

 

Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council. Negotiations for full membership were started on 3 October 2005.

Nothing to do with the Kings Speech

 

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

From the UK Kings speech yesterday. 

 

My Government will continue to give its full support to Ukraine and its people and it will endeavour to play a leading role in providing Ukraine with a clear path to NATO membership.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6697f5c10808eaf43b50d18e/The_King_s_Speech_2024_background_briefing_notes.pdf

 

[Mavideol]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It requires a massive hit to take out permanently.

agree, but this is the main source to supply their troupes, if the supply chain is broken the troupes will start to doubt, in my opinion it's worth the massive hit, maybe one it would not be enough but a couple at the same time, or underwater drones, anything to create doubt on the troupes mind

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

agree, but this is the main source to supply their troupes, if the supply chain is broken the troupes will start to doubt, in my opinion it's worth the massive hit, maybe one it would not be enough but a couple at the same time, or underwater drones, anything to create doubt on the troupes mind

This may or may not be true but the Ukrainains have taken the decison the rage bombing that would follow that would hurt them more than Russia.

 

https://kyivindependent.com/destruction-of-kerch-bridge-wont-be-as-effective-anymore-military-says/

 

Destroying the Kerch Bridge in occupied Crimea now would not have the same effect now because Russia barely uses it for military purposes anymore, Navy spokesperson Dmytro Pletenchuk said in an interview with RBC-Ukraine published on June 17.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

This may or may not be true but the Ukrainains have taken the decison the rage bombing that would follow that would hurt them more than Russia.

 

https://kyivindependent.com/destruction-of-kerch-bridge-wont-be-as-effective-anymore-military-says/

 

Destroying the Kerch Bridge in occupied Crimea now would not have the same effect now because Russia barely uses it for military purposes anymore, Navy spokesperson Dmytro Pletenchuk said in an interview with RBC-Ukraine published on June 17.

It's an incredibly important symbolic target and when Ukraine blows it up it will send the strongest possible message to the Russian people that Putin's darling bridge is over and it won't be long until Putin is over too. 

Don't discount such morale type of things in wars.

 

Also of course the end of the bridge will encourage Z Russian fascist civliams to flee Crimea and discourage new ones from coming.

 

Yes Ukraine can take back Crimea and they should because that's a key element to repelling the barbaric genocidal Russian invaders.

Edited July 18 by Jingthing

[beautifulthailand99]

Zelenskiy wants to talk directly.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/16/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-should-attend-second-peace-summit-zelenskiy-says

 

Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Monday that Russia should be represented at a second peace summit in November, after a first summit convened by the Ukrainian president last month in Switzerland to which Moscow was not invited.

 

This is what heroes sound like the great Palestinian poet,author,and leader killed by Mossad in 1972.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k519QzHA5XA

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's an incredibly important symbolic target and when Ukraine blows it up it will send the strongest possible message to the Russian people that Putin's darling bridge is over and it won't be long until Putin is over too. 

Don't discount such morale type of things in wars. 

 Isn’t Putin fairly popular in Russia?  
 

Anyway, Ukraine is going to cause a bit too much trouble one of these days. What happens when they start using their newly acquired F-16s to attack “inside Russia”? 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 Isn’t Putin fairly popular in Russia?  
 

Anyway, Ukraine is going to cause a bit too much trouble one of these days. What happens when they start using their newly acquired F-16s to attack “inside Russia”? 

Putin is popular as long as he's perceived to be successful. 

Polling is impossible in Russia so nobody really knows the levels but of course his elections are fake dictator elections. 

When a strong man Russian leader starts to appear a weak loser (losing his pet bridge would definitely do that) it's time for that leader to make final arrangements. 

Ukraine attacks military targets in Russia, yes, well justified, to defend themselves from the invaders who are on record as wanting to entirely erase them as sovereign nation. 

Ukraine on the other hand has no interest in occupying Russian lands or erasing the Russian nation though the Russians are doing a pretty good job of committing national suicide.

Edited July 18 by Jingthing

[Bkk Brian]

Keep it up guys....

 

Ukraine Launches Major Sea and Air Drone Attack on Crimea: Moscow

Kyiv has carried out many successful attacks against the peninsula annexed by Moscow in 2014, often targeting air defense batteries. Strikes on Russia's Black Sea Fleet have forced it further east from its hub in the city of Sevastopol.

This barrage continued overnight Wednesday, according to the Moscow-installed head of the city, with Governor Mikhail Razvozhayev saying Sevastopol had come under attack by a naval drone.

Residents in the city posted on social media how they could hear loud explosions. "The loud sounds that were heard in the city were our military repelling an attempted attack by a surface drone," Razvozhayev wrote on Telegram.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-crimea-drones-strikes-attack-1926836

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, jas007 said:

 Isn’t Putin fairly popular in Russia?  
 

Anyway, Ukraine is going to cause a bit too much trouble one of these days. What happens when they start using their newly acquired F-16s to attack “inside Russia”? 

Ukraine is causing trouble? You're looking the wrong way.

[tgw]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Ukraine is causing trouble? You're looking the wrong way.

 

don't feed the ruscist troll

[beautifulthailand99]

Ukraine loses more than 1,000 men in battle for a single village At least 262 soldiers died and 778 are still missing in action after nine months of fighting for Krynky in the southern Kherson region UK TIMES

 

https://archive.ph/gv4lN#selection-2121.0-2381.366

 

 

[Gweiloman]

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's an incredibly important symbolic target and when Ukraine blows it up it will send the strongest possible message to the Russian people that Putin's darling bridge is over and it won't be long until Putin is over too. 

Don't discount such morale type of things in wars.

 

Also of course the end of the bridge will encourage Z Russian fascist civliams to flee Crimea and discourage new ones from coming.

 

Yes Ukraine can take back Crimea and they should because that's a key element to repelling the barbaric genocidal Russian invaders.

Yup. The same kind of arrogance and naive thinking that expanding Nato to the border will not elicit any response. Seems like some people never learn…

[jas007]

12 hours ago, stevenl said:

Ukraine is causing trouble? You're looking the wrong way.

I’m looking at it with hopes that this war doesn’t escalate into WWIII.  It’s not about “winning.”  It’s about stopping the thing before it gets out of hand.  And however that happens is fine with me.

 

In any event, at this point it’s only the Western warmongers who are prolonging the war.  But for the continued support of Zelenskyy, the war would be over.  

[Bkk Brian]

ooops

 

"One of Russia's biggest mobile howitzer and artillery system manufacturers went up in flames early on Thursday morning."

 

What a shame, guess Putin will need to tap up North Korea for some more ammo to keep his war mongering needs satisfied. As we know they are already reportedly going to use some of the NK soldiers.

 

N. Korean Soldiers Depart for Russia Amid Ukraine War: Report

North Korean soldiers have reportedly departed for Russia following reports that the Asian nation will deploy troops in Ukraine to aid Moscow’s forces.

An elite military training delegation led by the head of a prestigious military academy in Pyongyang left earlier this week for a “visit” to Russia, according to a report by Reuters.

The purpose of the visit has not been disclosed.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/07/10/north-korean-soldiers-russia/

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

I’m looking at it with hopes that this war doesn’t escalate into WWIII.  It’s not about “winning.”  It’s about stopping the thing before it gets out of hand.  And however that happens is fine with me.

 

In any event, at this point it’s only the Western warmongers who are prolonging the war.  But for the continued support of Zelenskyy, the war would be over.  

The moment Russia withdraws from Ukrainian territory the war is over. It's Russia prolonging the war.

[transam]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Yup. The same kind of arrogance and naive thinking that expanding Nato to the border will not elicit any response. Seems like some people never learn…

Yeh, you, a Putin fanboy............🤔

[transam]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

I’m looking at it with hopes that this war doesn’t escalate into WWIII.  It’s not about “winning.”  It’s about stopping the thing before it gets out of hand.  And however that happens is fine with me.

 

In any event, at this point it’s only the Western warmongers who are prolonging the war.  But for the continued support of Zelenskyy, the war would be over.  

Very funny, now get back behind your curtain, chap............🥺

[tgw]

On 7/11/2024 at 8:27 PM, Danderman123 said:

From what I can tell, the Russians counter-attacked in Vovchansk and rescued their soldiers.

 

It seems the jury is still out on this

 

 

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, jas007 said:

I’m looking at it with hopes that this war doesn’t escalate into WWIII.  It’s not about “winning.”  It’s about stopping the thing before it gets out of hand.  And however that happens is fine with me.

 

In any event, at this point it’s only the Western warmongers who are prolonging the war.  But for the continued support of Zelenskyy, the war would be over.  

Putin couldn't have put it better himself.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

 

It seems the jury is still out on this

 

 

I would have thought the 'content creator' would have updated the thumbnail removing the picture of the hugely popular Army Chief Zalunhyi who Zelenskiy summarily sacked and sent him to be Ambo for the UK where he can't build an alternative power base.  He's clearing out his PM and cabinet as well - this week.

 

“While the polls show that [his predecessor], Zaluzhny, had 94 percent of the public’s trust, the number for Syrsky is something like 40 percent,” he explained.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240217-zelensky-s-a-team-who-is-who-among-the-new-ukrainian-army-commanders

 

[tgw]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I would have thought the 'content creator' would have updated the thumbnail removing the picture of the hugely popular Army Chief Zalunhyi who Zelenskiy summarily sacked and sent him to be Ambo for the UK where he can't build an alternative power base.  He's clearing out his PM and cabinet as well - this week.

 

“While the polls show that [his predecessor], Zaluzhny, had 94 percent of the public’s trust, the number for Syrsky is something like 40 percent,” he explained.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240217-zelensky-s-a-team-who-is-who-among-the-new-ukrainian-army-commanders

 

might might be completely right with your comment.

an alternative power base wouldn't be a good thing for Ukraine in times of war and Zaluzhnyi clearly overstepped making political statements as chief of armed forces, so he was reassigned.

maybe the author of the youtube video is a Zaluzhnyi fan.

 

but ... that wasn't the topic.

it was about Ruzzians rescuing their men who are encircled in the Vovchansk aggregate plant.

 

[beautifulthailand99]

 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

"He also acknowledged that a return of all Ukrainian land was not necessarily a pre-condition for the fighting to end, as far as he saw it."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clmy1nkm51jo

[transam]

16 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

"He also acknowledged that a return of all Ukrainian land was not necessarily a pre-condition for the fighting to end, as far as he saw it."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clmy1nkm51jo

But, in the end, let's hope Putin is somehow taken to task, as other outright murdering aggressors have .....

[beautifulthailand99]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

But, in the end, let's hope Putin is somehow taken to task, as other outright murdering aggressors have .....

When both him and Netanhayu are in the dock and then jail for their murderous rages I shall raise a glass to this better world which I'm sure you will join in with me.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

When both him and Netanhayu are in the dock and then jail for their murderous rages I shall raise a glass to this better world which I'm sure you will join in with me.

Netanyahu is not an aggressor, he is dealing with an aggressor, you seem confused..🤔 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Netanyahu is not an aggressor, he is dealing with an aggressor, you seem confused..🤔 

Yes , but no but yes but - it's called doing a Vicky Pollard.

[kwonitoy]

 

[kwonitoy]