They even have their own memorial parade for the thug.  Only in America.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6353695554112

No. Next.

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I appreciate the topic was whether he was a hero. My focus has been on the act itself and Biden's reaction. I never suggested he was a hero. Neither did Biden as far as I can see. 

 

the public image is made out to be he is though. 

4 hours ago, transam said:

The bloke was a career criminal, on the day of his demise he was thought to be involved in criminal activity..........He was KNOWN.....🤗

So what? He was subdued and under control, face down, handcuffed behind his back. Job done.

Why the need to press the full weight of a human on to his neck for NINE MINUTES until he was dead? Answer the question. I know from other threads you like to bash and run and don't answer direct questions, but try just once.

What, on this occasion (not a crime committed 13 years previously), did he do to deserve to be killed when he was already in handcuffs, face down, subdued, gasping for breath and there were several armed police in attendance?

Please, for once in your AN history, answer a question.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left loves them some criminals 

And so do the right - the criminal police who murdered a subdued black man who was face down in handcuffs and posed absolutely no threat. But yeah, the left.....

Says all I need to know. And I stand by my earlier comment - you are just not big enough to admit it. I would have more respect for you if you did.

4 hours ago, transam said:

The bloke was a career criminal, on the day of his demise he was thought to be involved in criminal activity..........He was KNOWN.....🤗

He was SUBDUED, in HANDCUFFS, UNARMED, FACE DOWN, surrounded by ARMED POLICE, he was begging to BREATHE.

You speak like he was brandishing a shotgun around in which case brutal force - lethal force - would be warranted. Do you not understand he was face down, in handcuffs, unarmed, and was murdered by someone who pressed on his neck for nine minutes despite his pleas and those of people around him that he couldn't breathe.......until he was dead.

There is only one reason why someone can justify that in their head. And it begins with "R". But racists are too cowardly to just come out and say it, say what they think. 

 

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You think that because you're a leftist. 

I am someone who believes in basic human rights and due process. If believing the police shouldn't be allowed to murder subdued, unarmed, restrained people (who are surrounded by armed cops) makes me a leftist then I am proud to be one.

What are you?

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, that he was a criminal resisting arrest make no difference, all that matters is that his death can be exploited but the left to stir=up more hate and racial animosity. 

I have no words. You are more right wing than Trump's wig in an easterly gale.

So an unarmed, subdued, face down black man is knelt on his neck for nine minutes with the full force of a human until he stops breathing when people were screaming for mercy. And you think that makes "the left" stir up racial hatred? You are insane.

I just don't understand. I am out of this thread as I can't engage with racists in any reasonable manner as you are deluded and won't debate facts (Yes, go ahead and convince yourself you aren't one).

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

They even have their own memorial parade for the thug.  Only in America.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6353695554112

 

Posts a link to Fox News......

Just now, josephbloggs said:

 

Posts a link to Fox News......

Yeah, you need CNN to show what a hero he was. 

14 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

He was SUBDUED, in HANDCUFFS, UNARMED, FACE DOWN, surrounded by ARMED POLICE, he was begging to BREATHE.

You speak like he was brandishing a shotgun around in which case brutal force - lethal force - would be warranted. Do you not understand he was face down, in handcuffs, unarmed, and was murdered by someone who pressed on his neck for nine minutes despite his pleas and those of people around him that he couldn't breathe.......until he was dead.

There is only one reason why someone can justify that in their head. And it begins with "R". But racists are too cowardly to just come out and say it, say what they think. 

 

“he was begging to BREATHE.”
 

If he can talk, he was breathing.

 

Fentanyl in his system killed him.  After all he is the Patron Saint.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Posts a link to Fox News......

Put your glasses back on.  It’s in the post.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, you need CNN to show what a hero he was. 

He's not a hero. He had a criminal record and is no hero. Who said he was a hero? He had a history of crimes - no hero of mine.

But he did not deserve to be murdered by a cop when he was unarmed, subdued, handcuffed, and face down.  Seems you can't separate these two things. I can.

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

“he was begging to BREATHE.”
 

If he can talk, he was breathing.

 

Fentanyl in his system killed him.  After all he is the Patron Saint.

And he was begging to breath while he was sitting in the car, and while he was standing up resisting arrest. 

Just now, josephbloggs said:

He's not a hero. He had a criminal record and is no hero. Who said he was a hero? He had a history of crimes - no hero of mine.

But he did not deserve to be murdered by a cop when he was unarmed, subdued, handcuffed, and face down.  Seems you can't separate these two things. I can.

I do not think he deserved to die, but I do believe it is his fault he is dead. He did not die on the street, nor did he die of asphyxiation. I do not think he was murdered. 

I will give credit when credit is due.  Floyd started a new trend.

 

Now, every time a thug commits a crime and resists arrest they scream “I can’t breathe “.

 

Fuel for the ambulance chaser lawyers.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

He's not a hero. He had a criminal record and is no hero. Who said he was a hero? He had a history of crimes - no hero of mine.

But he did not deserve to be murdered by a cop when he was unarmed, subdued, handcuffed, and face down.  Seems you can't separate these two things. I can.

He may not have been deserved to die but I'm sure he won't be missed and the world will be a better place without these people who attack pregnant women, good riddance! 

12 minutes ago, G_Money said:

“he was begging to BREATHE.”
 

If he can talk, he was breathing.

 

 

Yes, he was alive when he was pleading for breath. Once he died he stopped asking.
 

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Fentanyl in his system killed him.

That is absolutely untrue. He had fentanyl in his system but it didn't kill him. Do you not think having a human press his knee on your neck for nine straight minutes might cause issues? Have you read the coroner's report? I have. He was clearly murdered by the cop's actions which is why he was sentenced by a court of law. Fentanyl did not kill him - it is in the report.

Link to the autopsy here although I suspect you won't read it: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961

You argument is like saying someone who died in a car crash after smashing his car in to a wall but was detected to have measles was killed by measles, not the catastrophic impact of the crash.

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

I will give credit when credit is due.  Floyd started a new trend.

 

Now, every time a thug commits a crime and resists arrest they scream “I can’t breathe “.

 

Fuel for the ambulance chaser lawyers.

Do they? Do you have a link for that? Or did you just make it up?

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not think he deserved to die, but I do believe it is his fault he is dead. He did not die on the street, nor did he die of asphyxiation. I do not think he was murdered. 

Agreed.  If Floyd chose a different path that day, perhaps looking for a legitimate job and tending to his children he would be alive today.

 

Responsible for one’s actions.

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Do they? Do you have a link for that? Or did you just make it up?

Read the news.

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

Read the news.

So you don't then. Thanks.

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Agreed.  If Floyd chose a different path that day, perhaps looking for a legitimate job and tending to his children he would be alive today.

 

Responsible for one’s actions.

If Derek Chauvin decided to play with his children that day there would have been no murder. George would have been taken in to custody and either charged or not. And Derek wouldn't be serving 22 years.

But keep blaming the victim.

Just now, josephbloggs said:

 

Yes, he was alive when he was pleading for breath. Once he died he stopped asking.
 

That is absolutely untrue. He had fentanyl in his system but it didn't kill him. Do you not think having a human press his knee on your neck for nine straight minutes might cause issues? Have you read the coroner's report? I have. He was clearly murdered by the cop's actions which is why he was sentenced by a court of law. Fentanyl did not kill him - it is in the report.

Link to the autopsy here although I suspect you won't read it: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961

He died in the emergency room. From your link:

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Yes, he was alive when he was pleading for breath. Once he died he stopped asking.
 

That is absolutely untrue. He had fentanyl in his system but it didn't kill him. Do you not think having a human press his knee on your neck for nine straight minutes might cause issues? Have you read the coroner's report? I have. He was clearly murdered by the cop's actions which is why he was sentenced by a court of law. Fentanyl did not kill him - it is in the report.

Link to the autopsy here although I suspect you won't read it: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961

 

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So you don't then. Thanks.

It is obvious you don’t .

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

If Derek Chauvin decided to play with his children that day there would have been no murder. George would have been taken in to custody and either charged or not. And Derek wouldn't be serving 22 years.

But keep blaming the victim.

 I will keep blaming Floyd.  He is responsible for his own death.

 

Typical liberal response such as yours is to pass the buck.  NO accountability for one’s actions.

 

Floyd was responsible for bringing Chauvin to his attention.  Not the other way around.

11 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 

Yes, America has a huge drug problem, especially opioids prescribed routinely.

Relevance to the GF murder?

6 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 I will keep blaming Floyd.  He is responsible for his own death.

 

Typical liberal response such as yours is to pass the buck.  NO accountability for one’s actions.

 

Floyd was responsible for bringing Chauvin to his attention.  Not the other way around.

Ok, so you don't think Chauvin was heavy handed? You really think his actions were justified?  It was all George's fault for being there? How can you seriously not blame Chauvin for kneeling on his neck for nine minutes when it was totally uneccessary? Slap him around a bit, charge him with something, take him to the cells, all good options. But murder? Not a good option.

GF was responsible for getting stopped, he was responsible for being belligerent, he wasn't responsible for having his neck knelt on for nine minutes when he was already handcuffed, face down and subdued and surrounded by several armed police - there was no threat to their safety whatsoever.

If you can't even admit that then there is no point in continuing.

Summary: GF is not a hero. He was a bad man. He was killed unlawfully and unjustly. Those are the facts (as established by a court of law). Simple as. If you don't agree and you think he was treated fairly and he deserved it then let's just move on and I will file you where you need to be filed, in the "R" bucket.
 

27 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, America has a huge drug problem, especially opioids prescribed routinely.

Relevance to the GF murder?

He was on fentanyl and was the major contributor to his death.  Along with HIS actions of the day.