Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, theshu25 said:

This has made my day for the filthy scamming rapist grifter to finally get whats coming to the animal. Yet he will not do 5 minutes jail,thats the sad part for me.

I agree and gave your post a 👍 HOWEVER it's an insult to animals. Trump is a freak...a monster. Everything wrong with the human animal, all stuffed into one fugly specimen. 

[OneMoreFarang]

26 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Perhaps you haven't been following the news. The convicted felon has three other serious crimes pending (Jan 6 is one of them), and between the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon, they have blocked the trials.

 

I followed the news enough to know about the other cases and it seems to be likely that none of them will go to court before the election in November. I don't know who, except from Trump lawyers, is responsible for the delays.

[zakalwe]

Upset Trump after verdict.

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps. You may be right. But this, of all the indictments , is the most inoffensive and hardest for people to understand. There is no clear victim, no clear crime, etc.  It is also obviously the most political in nature.  So we shall see. 

 

And . . . aren't we EXACTLY talking about politics???

[mtls2005]

3 hours ago, novacova said:

Third world delusional leftist nonsense. It’s quite remarkable that there is a third world banana republic court system in a modern western city. Equally remarkable is well educated people are so easily influenced and dumb down by the media. 

 

Richard Nixon would have been indicted - a Grand Jury was in session - had he not been pardoned by Gerald Ford.

 

Plenty of other countries - France, Israel, South Africa, and South Korea - have prosecuted former leaders.

 

 

Interesting that you did not address the charges, and immediately jumped to questioning the Rule of Law, and insulting large swaths of the population.

 

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

 

 

 

[Walker88]

24 minutes ago, stoner said:

i put 2 condoms on before clicking on the thread. not disappointed at all. some crazy comments made already. 

Point out those 'crazy comments'.

 

In the one trial he could not delay---because he didn't appoint the judge, it is not under the purview of the Supreme Court (where he appointed 3 judges and where a 4th evidenced support for the "Stop the Steal" fallacy), and where he doesn't have a Repub Governor, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. That is how the American Justice System works.

 

The convicted felon doesn't seem to like it when he cannot get undeserved favorable treatment.

 

I wonder how many people---even those who have a Security Clearance, which he never had (Presidents are not given a security clearance, and certainly do not have one after being defeated or leaving office)---would not already be in jail awaiting trial for such a massive theft of highly classified documents?

 

You cannot argue the facts, so can only resort to a silly comment.

 

You should take your condoms off.

[Yagoda]

Just now, mtls2005 said:

 

Richard Nixon would have been indicted - a Grand Jury was in session - had he not been pardoned by Gerald Ford.

 

Plenty of other countries - France, Israel, South Africa, and South Korea - have prosecuted former leaders.

 

 

Interesting that you did not address the charges, and immediately jumped to questioning the Rule of Law, and insulting large swaths of the population.

 

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."

 

 

 

Insulting large swaths of the population. OK.

[HappyExpat57]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I followed the news enough to know about the other cases and it seems to be likely that none of them will go to court before the election in November. I don't know who, except from Trump lawyers, is responsible for the delays.

 

Judge Cannon is slow walking and blocking the stolen documents case. She is JUST staying within the limit of legality, but she's obviously in the tank for the convicted felon.

 

The Supreme Court is slow walking the decision of whether or not the convicted felon could legally have his enemies killed by Seal Team 6. This decision puts ALL OTHER cases on hold.

[Skeptic7]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Personally I don't really feel the need to see him die in prison.

I would be more satisfied if he loses the election and then flees the country to an enemy state.

He can expire in or out of prison. Sooner the better. 

[gravity101]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

What do you expect when a Republican get 12 jurors and a judge who are all staunch of the anti Republican 

in a New York Democrat's courtroom? his goose was cooked from day one...

Nice try. Voir dire and peremptory challenges. It's the basis of ensuring a balanced jury. The guy was guilty because his peers found him guilty and because the evidence was irrefutable, nothing to do with who the jurors were.

[HappyExpat57]

1 minute ago, gravity101 said:

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

What do you expect when a Republican get 12 jurors and a judge who are all staunch of the anti Republican 

in a New York Democrat's courtroom? his goose was cooked from day one...

Nice try. Voir dire and peremptory challenges. It's the basis of ensuring a balanced jury. The guy was guilty because his peers found him guilty and because the evidence was irrefutable, nothing to do with who the jurors were.

 

I repeat:

 

Those jurors were not Democrats. They were not politicians. They were not people who had a bias against Trump. They were Americans.

 

Trump’s lawyers allowed them to become jurors because they showed no bias.

 

https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-convicted-felon?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=365422&post_id=145144771&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=1297hb&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

[herfiehandbag]

Well, at least one can say about Trump, he doesn't do cheap shags!

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

You cannot argue the facts, so can only resort to a silly comment.

 

who said i was arguing facts ? silly comment in your mind. then you go on another rant talking about gibberish. 

 

there has been some crazy comments made in this thread. you may not agree with that and you are entitled to do so. as am i to think they are. 

 

 

[tgw]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

Well, at least one can say about Trump, he doesn't do cheap shags!

 

a few statistical  outliers probably ruin the average

[Walker88]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

who said i was arguing facts ? silly comment in your mind. then you go on another rant talking about gibberish. 

 

there has been some crazy comments made in this thread. you may not agree with that and you are entitled to do so. as am i to think they are. 

 

 

So facts are gibberish (that you edited out).

 

Got it.

 

I'm beginning to support the Thai govt backtracking on weed. It seems it does do damage.

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

This should be a walk in the park for the democrats to win the election. Should be. Problem is life for most Americans was better under Trump. They're willing to put up with his bs because on the matters that concerns most Americans like immigration and crime. Even immigrants want better immigration control. Giving money away to foreign countries when our own citizens need help. 

Except for the shortage of body bags.

 

And toilet paper.

 

[tgw]

so ... the Republican party would now become the party supporting a convicted felon's bid for the presidency ...

 

I hope real republicans get out of there while they still can.

[OneMoreFarang]

Will this verdict change anything?

 

By now everyone knows that he <deleted> that porn actress while he was married.

Some time ago I would have been sure that such a fact will guarantee that nobody who calls themselves Christian would vote for such a person. I was obviously wrong, very wrong.

 

So now he is convicted, by a court in NY. Will anybody who supported him until now will now not support him anymore? I don't think so.

Will some people, who are not sure, will now see that the effort to convict Trump in this case is totally out of proportion? 

Is he the only politician who ever did something like this? How many other politicians were convicted of a similar crime.

 

And why is it so difficult for many people who see more than only black or white?

IMHO Trump is a bad presidential candidate. But if he would have the better politics I wouldn't care if he <deleted> a hooker and paid her for it.

Biden is also a bad candidate. But IMHO still a lot better than Trump.

But all in all I could make lists od reasons to vote for any of them and reasons not to vote for them.

This is not black and white. It's grey, and mostly a lot of dark grey. 

It's so sad that Americans are not able to find someone competent. 

 

[gravity101]

18 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Anyone who supports the verdict in this farce of a case and doesnt acknowledge the fact that it will be reversed on appeal is an enemy to me and my family and my country.

 

 

 

 

Unhinged much.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

For first time ever I agree with first sentence.

 

Seems the more obstacles Trump is thrown the better he does in the polls. Bet the democrats didn't see that coming.

He had a bit of an obstacle in 2020 with 80 million Americans voting against him.

[tgw]

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Anyone who supports the verdict in this farce of a case and doesnt acknowledge the fact that it will be reversed on appeal is an enemy to me and my family and my country.

 

I think the verdict is unlikely to be reversed on appeal, but is more likely to be annulled by the supreme court. Which is worrying.

[pomchop]

28 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Farcical. There's no way this survives an appeal. It doesn't matter now anyway, it can't be appealed before the election due to the sentencing date. 

 

And I said already, I think there's more merit in the other cases. This one is a joke. A very poor joke. 

I highly doubt an appeal  (grounds?) will overturn it......and yes the other cases are generally more serious crimes with even more evidence and republicans set to testify.  If it were not for all the whining and delays and total BS by t and his minions the trials would take place before the election and trump who of course has never ever done a wrong thing in his pampered life would be permitted to demonstrate once and for all how innocent he truly is and how everyone is always picking on him...especially all those republicans who will be called to testify against him.

 

The jury apparently does not agree with your idea that it was a very poor joke and they were there for every minute of the evidence presentation whereas you were not. 

 

Trump understands very clearly if he does not win in 2024 that he is going to eventually face the music in all of the trials with a very high chance that he will be wearing a nice orange suit to go with his orange hair. 

 

If only they would allow him to testify...oh that's right he was told repeatedly by the judge that he can testify and confirmed to the judge that he understood that right...before he stood before the cult and claimed the judge would not let him testify...yet another total BS lie that the cult swallows hook line and sinker

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

Childish. Very childish for an old man.

C'mon even a stuffed shirt who's full of him self like yourself is entitled to a laugh.

[Danderman123]

55 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

OMG.

He paid for the services of a lady.

Anyone here would never do that?

He falsified documents in his financial favor.

Anyone here would never do such a thing?. Like cheating a little bit in an income tax declaration....😊

 

So I suppose it is all about the magnitude, and when dealing with someone at the top, running for a presidential election, well, things get into larger scales....

And why did he do that?

 

To cover up his bad behavior so the voters wouldn't know about it when they voted.

 

Ever do that?

[gravity101]

32 minutes ago, Purdey said:

He immediately went up 14% in the polls. 

Lol l. Who'd they poll in such a short period of time, the fox canteen?

[Andre0720]

28 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I see you're a real Law and Order type.

 

If you read the indictment, now conviction, all will be clear. He engaged in fraud in service of another crime. In NY State that is a felony. A jury of his peers found the evidence compelling, so he is now a convicted felon. As for paying for the services of a lady...that did not happen. He paid to keep her quiet about services rendered. What he did with her is up to his 3rd wife to decaide if that is okay; the court was only concerned with the fraud involved in covering it up.

 

Do you have an opinion on whether any of us have stolen thousands of highly classified documents? Is that something anyone would do, and then lie about returning what he had no right to possess?

 

How about how many of us have called the SecState of Georgia and pressured him to engage in voter fraud?

 

How many of us fomented an insurrection by first calling our supporters to DC for 6 Jan 21, and then telling them to march to the Capitol and fight like hell?

 

I cannot speak for other members, but I have never done that, nor did I ever engage in a fake elector scheme to subvert the wishes of the American people.

Magnitude...

So what was the objective of Biden with all his lies and lies and lies about unreal memories of his younger age? If not to subvert the wishes of the American people?

"nor did I ever engage in a fake elector scheme to subvert the wishes of the American people. "

[stoner]

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

So facts are gibberish (that you edited out).

 

Got it.

 

I'm beginning to support the Thai govt backtracking on weed. It seems it does do damage.

 

 

 

why are you writing all that in reply to my comment ? that is why i find it to be gibberish. not that it is not facts. you really need to stop jumping to conclusions. 

 

nice low brow insult as well. pathetic. typical.

[Danderman123]

36 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You might want to check the numbers. Under Trump, inflation was lower, gas prices were lower, unemployment for minorities was at a historical low, housing was affordable, interest rates were lower, etc. These are the things people will remember.

 

As for the trial, I am still trying to find the crime.  He screwed around on his wife- not a crime. The whore contacted Trump's lawyer and wanted hush money- not a crime. The lawyer paid the money- not a crime. The money wasn't stolen or embezzled, AFAIK it was Trump's money.  

 

The big problem now is that the gag order put in place for the trial is no longer valid. Trump can campaign, can talk, and will appeal the conviction. Probably win that too, but at the moment it isn't important.

 

Trump being a dirtbag is baked into the pie by this point. I don't think a papershuffling conviction will do much to tarnish his image. 

You drank the Kool-Ade:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/05/16/recent-labor-market-conditions-for-black-workers/#:~:text=The latest data shows that,percent from 2000 to 2015.

 

 

[Thingamabob]

A 77 year old found guilty of first offence, non-violent crimes would not be sentenced to jail in most western countries. However, this is New York in the USA. I wouldn't rule it out.

[Walker88]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

C'mon even a stuffed shirt who's full of him self like yourself is entitled to a laugh.

I don't mind laughing---even at myself---if something is funny.

 

Don't quit your retirement to try the Vaudeville Circuit of summer in the Catskills.