Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

When women were asked why they voted for Bill Clinton, a large number replied they thought he was cute.

 

The electorate rarely votes on facts, they vote from their often ill-informed gut. All they will know now is 45 is a convicted felon, a loser. They couldn't care less about the details, they will just imagine him in a jumpsuit that matches his fake tan.

True. That's also why they vote on the price of milk and gasoline rather than other measures of economic prosperity. And on the cost of their mortgage/rent vs. 5 years ago.

 

We shall see. 

[paddypower]

5 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Now the Dem media machione starts to relaease fake polls that claim what they want people to think is what they think.

They dont seem to (yet) realise that the majority of the people now know that media etc is corrupted.

Those that dounted Trump's claims about 'The Swamp' are now realising he was telling the truth. 

If Trumpo had been POTIUS for 2 terms this would never have happened - it is only being done to stop him getting a 2nd term - period.

The DA run for election on the basis that she would charge and convict Trump - in a 95% Dem county. 

Try using spellcheck, instead of being just Grumpy. it is a lot more effective for your arguments.

[Presto]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A brief note to my die hard Trump supporters on this forum.

 

This is me keeping my promise to accept the Jury’s Verdict without reservation.

 

Now.

 

Lock Him Up!

Most likely Trump won't be locked up. I think it will be probation, six months or so.

Why? First time offender (yes, I know, ridiculous), white and wealthy, and of course the inevitable deference, servility, to a former president.

[Roo Island]

33 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

No mate - it all started with Clinton (Bill). The political divide has grown ever since he was impeached. Trump just woke up the right wing who had until then had remained the silent majority. Fox etc said nothiong new - they just stirred up the red necks - but the silent majority agreed. 

It started with Obama. Redneck America's couldn't deal with a person of color as president. The silent majority are the ones against this. The vocal minority are the ones breaking into the Capitol and assaulting law enforcement officers.

 

Faux News and the other dodgy right wing media outlets are responsible for the widening of the political divide. Sad some fall for it...and actually like it.

 

Kari Lake is a perfect example of what's wrong with America. Along with a bunch of other right wing political nuts.

[paddypower]

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Trolls don't really care about the clarity of the message, they just want to stir the pot. They are low-info, sloped forehead reprobates.

You are also referring to the Trump electioneering strategy?

[JonnyF]

50 minutes ago, jvs said:

No just long over due,from time to time laws need to be amended.

Nobody has foreseen a thing like this would ever happen but it has to be dealt with,just to keep up with the times.

Don't you agree?

 

No I don't agree that the laws should be changed to exclude people with a criminal conviction a day after Trump is convicted of all 34 out of 34 charges in less than 12 hours.

 

That's the type of thing that happens in banana republics. Despite recent events, I'd like to think America is still above that type of thing.  

[mania]

Good Night this topic is 7 hours old & there are two posters with over a hundred posts 56&53  between them 🙄 Amazing ...Talk about no life 😅 Go outside look around kiss a girl or whatever you want 😉

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[Roo Island]

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

The appeal won't be settled before the November election.  But their real intent isn't to put Trump in prison.  It's to keep him off the ballot.  

 

Stunning some actually believe that. Shows what's wrong with America.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/politics/trump-convicted-election-republicans.html

 

“This was a conviction by a jury of Americans who listened to the evidence and made their decision," said Rachel Kleinfeld, a senior fellow in the Democracy, Conflict, and Governance Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “When you undermine courts the way that elections have already been undermined, there is no peaceful way to settle differences.”

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Now the Dem media machione starts to relaease fake polls that claim what they want people to think is what they think.

They dont seem to (yet) realise that the majority of the people now know that media etc is corrupted.

Those that dounted Trump's claims about 'The Swamp' are now realising he was telling the truth. 

If Trumpo had been POTIUS for 2 terms this would never have happened - it is only being done to stop him getting a 2nd term - period.

The DA run for election on the basis that she would charge and convict Trump - in a 95% Dem county. 

You have any poll that state majority of people know media is corrupt. You might need a break to think this through and recover. Whining whenever you get bad trump's news is making you a snowflake.

[alanrchase]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

What do you expect when a Republican get 12 jurors and a judge who are all staunch of the anti Republican 

in a New York Democrat's courtroom? his goose was cooked from day one...

Based on the 2020 election result Trump could have expected to have at least 4 supporters on the jury. Are you claiming he couldn't even find one juror that supported him in 2020 or would it be more accurate to say even his own supporters were unable to deny the evidence presented?

[HappyExpat57]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

No I don't agree that the laws should be changed to exclude people with a criminal conviction a day after Trump is convicted of all 34 out of 34 charges in less than 12 hours.

 

That's the type of thing that happens in banana republics. Despite recent events, I'd like to think America is still above that type of thing.  

There are many jobs that convicted felons can't hold, but civil service is not one of them.

 

Having said that, the matter of obtaining and retaining a SECURITY CLEARANCE is a whole other matter. There is no way on this earth that anyone with this convicted felon's record could EVER EVER EVER get a security clearance the office of the president requires.

 

 

 

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grammar

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Presto said:

Personally I'd like to see the rule of law at last take it's course, and Trump face the consequences, like anyone else.

That last bit seems to be the problem with the American legal system. Trump has gotten away with so much his whole life, it boggles the mind.

I have mixed feelings.

Trump as a "man"  obviously deserved to be locked up decades ago.

But he was president.

I know other countries imprison their presidents but I think that putting any president (ex-president) in prison might not be worth the damage to the presidency.

I really like the poetic justice of the fake populist traitorous fascist America Firster exiling himself to an enemy. That might be more about damaging his own legacy than the presidency. Yeah I get to the maga cultists, he'll always be their dear leader regardless.

 

[impulse]

18 minutes ago, paddypower said:

You're wrong. Let's get some facts into this discussion: 1. Trump can stay on the ballot. 2. he can be elected POTUS. 3. he can vote (not in NY)  but felons are allowed to vote in Florida. end of story. How come so few know so little about the American electoral system? Jeez, I'm European and half of what is written here is misguided opinions.

 

We know more than you... 

 

He's legally allowed to be on the ballot.  But the RNC convention is 3 days after sentencing.  He's not on the ballot, so he can't "stay on the ballot". He's just the presumptive candidate at this point.  You figure he'll still be the candidate if the judge sends him to jail pending appeal?  Or puts him under house arrest with an ankle monitor and a gag order so he can't travel the country to campaign?  He may not even be allowed to go to the RNC Convention.

 

On a related note, do you also figure the first move by Dems after he's inaugurated wouldn't be to impeach him, again and again and again?

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[HappyExpat57]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

We know more then you... 

 

He's legally allowed to stay on the ballot.  But the RNC convention is 3 days after sentencing.  He's not on the ballot, so he can't "stay on the ballot". He's just the presumptive candidate at this point.  You figure he'll still be the candidate if the judge sends him to jail pending appeal?  Or puts him under house arrest with an ankle monitor so he can't travel the country to campaign?  He may not even be allowed to go to the RNC Convention.

 

On a related note, do you also figure the first move by Dems after he's inaugurated wouldn't be to impeach him, again and again and again?

This convicted felon (LOVE it now that we can post that) was only impeached for serious reasons. It's the red side of the aisle that keeps drumming up nonsense attempts of impeachment that fall flat cuz they're all based on lies.

[Chivas]

Should be the end of the utterly odious character but I very much doubt it will be

[YouAgain]

So many MAGA acronyms thrown around in this thread, as if those outside the cult know what they are.   Just reiterates to me that it is truly a cult. 

 

 

 

 

[Gecko123]

These politicians and suck-up supporters of Donald Trump who are claiming that the case was politically motivated and should never have been brought by the NY District Attorney are ignoring the fact that 12 American citizens unanimously agreed that Trump was guilty as charged. They are also, irrespective of whether he was prosecuted or not, turning a blind eye to his dishonesty, and to the fact that his actions concealed the truth about candidate Trump from the American people, something which should disturb anyone concerned about democratic values. To the MAGA crowd: do you really want to vote for a liar, a thief, a tax dodger, a sexual assaulter, a racist and a malignant narcissist who is in obvious cognitive decline? Donald Trump, Felon. Let that sink in for a while before you answer.

 

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[Danderman123]

31 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Never heard of these claims. What are they??

The originators of the 2020 election fraud claims that you believe.

[Presto]

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I have mixed feelings.

Trump as a "man"  obviously deserved to be locked up decades ago.

But he was president.

I know other countries imprison their presidents but I think that putting any president (ex-president) in prison might not be worth the damage to the presidency.

I really like the poetic justice of the fake populist traitorous fascist America Firster exiling himself to an enemy. That might be more about damaging his own legacy than the presidency. Yeah I get to the maga cultists, he'll always be their dear leader regardless.

 

I'm looking at this as a non-American. I think far too much grandeur and prestige has been offered to the presidency than rationally is necessary. It's like Americans are/were longing for a monarch.

I compare it but probably mostly wrongly, to the 'imperial presidency' of Francois Mitterrand. I believe the French have redressed that, and putting a convicted former president behind bars would be a step in the right direction for America. Just my opinion.

By the way, I'm convinced that Biden, if still president when the serious federal cases result in convictions and jail time, will pardon Trump.

Edited May 31 by Presto

[JulesMad]

Finally some good news!!! Hopefully there are more 'guilty' verdicts soon, so he can be locked up indefinitely!

[cjinchiangrai]

Decades overdue. I hope they remand him for the appeal.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

... and pardon himself .

 

For some , he is a martyr now .

It's a "state conviction".

 

I don't think a President can pardon those.

 

If he can get it to the Supreme Court within 3 months then maybe he will get it overturned - but wouldn't he have to get it through the New York Appeals Court first?

[jvs]

22 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

There are many jobs that convicted felons can't hold, but civil service is not one of them.

 

Having said that, the matter of obtaining and retaining a SECURITY CLEARANCE is a whole other matter. There is no way on this earth that anyone with this convicted felon's record could EVER EVER EVER get a security clearance the office of the president requires.

 

 

 

So if Trump would be elected how would that play out?

He would not have clearance to drive a school bus but he could be president with severe restrictions?

Clearly some laws need to be changed,should have been changed a long time ago?

 

[OneMoreFarang]

52 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

No, I did not miss that. Deservedly convicted.

 

If your IQ is as superior as I have seen you claim, surely you know it's a lot easier for a rich white guy to get off than a Black man.

 

It seems your IQ is not really made for Mensa.

Trump is a white guy who was convicted.

And somehow you want to make this an argument for what? That a black guy would also be convicted? Maybe 68 times and not only 34 times? Or what's your point.

I suggest think again, and next time a black guy will be convicted then you can tell us all how racist this world is that that could happen.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, Presto said:

I'm looking at this as a non-American. I think far too much grandeur and prestige has been offered to the presidency than rationally is necessary. It's like Americans are/were longing for a monarch.

I compare it but probably mostly wrongly, to the 'imperial presidency' of Francois Mitterrand. I believe the French have redressed that, and putting a convicted former president behind bars would be a step in the right direction for America. Just my opinion.

By the way, I'm convinced that Biden, if still president when the serious federal cases result in convictions and jail time, will pardon Trump.

I get your point though I think the U.S. needs a strong presidency but not a monarch or dictator. 

No way will Biden pardon Trump. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, jvs said:

So if Trump would be elected how would that play out?

He would not have clearance to drive a school bus but he could be president with severe restrictions?

Clearly some laws need to be changed,should have been changed a long time ago?

 

If he's elected president, any restrictions including if he's in prison, vanish. 

[herfiehandbag]

7 minutes ago, jvs said:

So if Trump would be elected how would that play out?

He would not have clearance to drive a school bus but he could be president with severe restrictions?

Clearly some laws need to be changed,should have been changed a long time ago?

 

If the law states that a convicted felon cannot drive a school bus , nor receive security briefings, as Mr Trump is now a convicted felon, then he can neither drive a school bus nor receive security briefings. That is the law, no need to change it for Mr Trump. He is a convicted felon, to a very large extent, because he thought the law did not apply to him. The jury decided it did.

Edited May 31 by herfiehandbag

[Roo Island]

28 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

We know more than you... 

 

He's legally allowed to be on the ballot.  But the RNC convention is 3 days after sentencing.  He's not on the ballot, so he can't "stay on the ballot". He's just the presumptive candidate at this point.  You figure he'll still be the candidate if the judge sends him to jail pending appeal?  Or puts him under house arrest with an ankle monitor and a gag order so he can't travel the country to campaign?  He may not even be allowed to go to the RNC Convention.

 

On a related note, do you also figure the first move by Dems after he's inaugurated wouldn't be to impeach him, again and again and again?

His supporters have TDS and would vote for him even if he is in jail.

 

You mean try to impeach him like the Republicans have done to Biden?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Joe_Biden

 

During the Democratic-controlled 117th United States Congress, Republican members submitted nine resolutions to impeach Biden

[Berkshire]

6 minutes ago, jvs said:

So if Trump would be elected how would that play out?

He would not have clearance to drive a school bus but he could be president with severe restrictions?

Clearly some laws need to be changed,should have been changed a long time ago?

 

My understanding is that a POTUS is automatically granted the highest levels of security clearance.  It comes with the job.  But if he were incarcerated....not sure how that would work. 

[Roo Island]

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Rachel Kleinfeld...  A social entrepreneur, former founding organizational CEO, and author of three books, she is also the mother of two fierce and wonderful daughters, wife of a sculptor, lover of street food, and aficionado of bleak, unforgiving landscapes from Afghanistan to Morocco.

 

Publishing a hit piece in the NYT... That bastion of fair and balanced reporting.  That makes it definitive.

 

https://rachelkleinfeld.com/

 

I could link to dozens of actual lawyers and legal scholars that say it's a sham trial.  But I'm not into dueling links...

Hit piece? It's a fact. And one reiterated by many. Again, a Trump supporter with TDS.

 

We'll wait for your links....