Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

Ebumbu · June 1

Very stable convicted-felon genius.

Roo Island · June 1

7 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Not a source for factual information. Pick another source and I'll read your link

What's not factual? Other than Trump told you so?

uncletiger · June 1

This thread has been interesting. Now let's talk about what really happened in this trial:

NY decided to prosecute Trump on something that was no more than an accounting opinion. The problem is, even if they could have convinced anyone it was intentional, it still didn't rise to anything more than the level of a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations had run out. So they invented a process entirely without precedent: they used a FEDERAL statute as an antecedent crime to try and make the accounting opinion part of a felony case which they could try in a corrupt, kangaroo court in a politically biased district.

Here's the problem...the US Election Board had already decided at the Federal level that no crime had been committed for this action.

So what precedent did they just set? It means that from now on, if any prosecutor in any of the thousands of very, very red counties in the country can find any sketchy way of tying even a parking ticket to any perceived federal offense, they can now try that larger, federal offense as an antecedent crime in a state court where they are guaranteed to get a sympathetic jury willing to convict on a political whim.

SDNY just weaponized every court system throughout the USA. And those who are really in the know are well aware of this, and are terrified of this precedent.

This will get overturned on appeal because it has to. It was a horrible miscarriage of justice, and while the Democrats needed this for political purposes, they absolutely can't let it stand or every politician will find himself behind bars.

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conspiracy theory and off-topic comments removed

atpeace · June 1

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Here's what cult members are trying to do. The hatred and violence starts with these guys.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html

On online forums that have previously been linked to mass shootings, people are threatening violence and attempting to publicly identify the 12 New York jurors who on Thursday decided to convict former President Donald Trump.

The calls for retribution began immediately after the verdict was announced. Experts who track online extremism told CNN the volume of violent rhetoric in the last 24 hours is as high as it was after the FBI’s search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in August 2022.

By your rules, I won't read the link as you told the previous poster. How do you get a good perspective if you only read what your side preaches? My dislike for Trump stems from what I have gleaned from info provided by both sides. You might be surprised - many conservatives aren't fools. Your definitely not part of a solution to this mess...

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flame comment removed

Roo Island · June 1

7 hours ago, uncletiger said:

This thread has been interesting. Now let's talk about what really happened in this trial:

NY decided to prosecute Trump on something that was no more than an accounting opinion. The problem is, even if they could have convinced anyone it was intentional, it still didn't rise to anything more than the level of a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations had run out. So they invented a process entirely without precedent: they used a FEDERAL statute as an antecedent crime to try and make the accounting opinion part of a felony case which they could try in a corrupt, kangaroo court in a politically biased district.

Here's the problem...the US Election Board had already decided at the Federal level that no crime had been committed for this action.

So what precedent did they just set? It means that from now on, if any prosecutor in any of the thousands of very, very red counties in the country can find any sketchy way of tying even a parking ticket to any perceived federal offense, they can now try that larger, federal offense as an antecedent crime in a state court where they are guaranteed to get a sympathetic jury willing to convict on a political whim.

SDNY just weaponized every court system throughout the USA. And those who are really in the know are well aware of this, and are terrified of this precedent.

This will get overturned on appeal because it has to. It was a horrible miscarriage of justice, and while the Democrats needed this for political purposes, they absolutely can't let it stand or every politician will find himself behind bars.

Your not stating the truth. This might help. Falsifying accounting records is a serious crime.

https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/falsifying-business-records-ny-pl-175-10-and-175-15.html

frank83628 · June 1

13 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

The problem in America. The political divide. A zero sum game and it's ruining the country. Turn off the news. It's making things worse.

and what side is doing that?

Roo Island · June 1

7 hours ago, atpeace said:

By your rules, I won't read the link as you told the previous poster. How do you get a good perspective if you only read what your side preaches? My dislike for Trump stems from what I have gleaned from info provided by both sides. You might be surprised - many conservatives aren't fools. Your definitely not part of a solution to this mess...

It just pops up first. I've never said all conservatives are fools. Just the ones who fall for the misinformation on dodgy media outlets. And now believe anything from CNN or MSNBC is fake. Drank the kool-aid.

Better?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

Roo Island · June 1

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and what side is doing that?

Mostly Trump supporters. But the media is making things worse. Not all, but many. Turn off the news.

watthong · June 1

18 minutes ago, Presto said:

Btw, has anyone watched Trump's press conference in Trump Tower?

Man, does he look deflated. And that incessant whining and complaining, it's everybody's fault and he's done everything.

And that stream of consciousness way of talking. Hopping from one subject to another, unrelated subject and so on and so forth. Like turning over a vat of grievances and lies.

Actually Trump sounds like a broken record - the single one.

And looks like a tired clown the day the circus leaving town. Sick, old and worn out, but still has to work the podium somehow. Poor Donnie.

Funny how Trump once called Better Midler a "washed-up has-been wanna-be..."
He should give her a call and reclaim that title:
"washed-up" convict
"has-been" in the WH
"wanna-be" in the WH again.
Best of luck, Donnie.

atpeace · June 1

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Your not stating the truth. This might help. Falsifying accounting records is a serious crime.

https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/falsifying-business-records-ny-pl-175-10-and-175-15.html

It is a misdemeanor. No? Being a fool and doing it multiple times, allowed a biased prosecution to magically transform the small offense into a felony. He thought he was too powerful and he found out he can face consequences like the rest of society that IMO that he looks down upon.

atpeace · June 1

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

It just pops up first. I've never said all conservatives are fools. Just the ones who fall for the misinformation on dodgy media outlets. And now believe anything from CNN or MSNBC is fake. Drank the kool-aid.

Better?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

Yes, better 🙂 I'll give it a read.

OK, read the first part and skimmed the rest. It is not a good article and could be said about all political issues.

"Dozen"

"many"

"some"

Amazing a nation of nearly 400 million has some quacks. What is even more amazing as how some could apply these quacks logic to all Trump supporters. Hey, I don't get supporting Trump...

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trolling comment removed

Gecko123 · June 1

7 hours ago, uncletiger said:

This thread has been interesting. Now let's talk about what really happened in this trial:

NY decided to prosecute Trump on something that was no more than an accounting opinion. The problem is, even if they could have convinced anyone it was intentional, it still didn't rise to anything more than the level of a misdemeanor, and the statute of limitations had run out. So they invented a process entirely without precedent: they used a FEDERAL statute as an antecedent crime to try and make the accounting opinion part of a felony case which they could try in a corrupt, kangaroo court in a politically biased district.

Here's the problem...the US Election Board had already decided at the Federal level that no crime had been committed for this action.

So what precedent did they just set? It means that from now on, if any prosecutor in any of the thousands of very, very red counties in the country can find any sketchy way of tying even a parking ticket to any perceived federal offense, they can now try that larger, federal offense as an antecedent crime in a state court where they are guaranteed to get a sympathetic jury willing to convict on a political whim.

SDNY just weaponized every court system throughout the USA. And those who are really in the know are well aware of this, and are terrified of this precedent.

This will get overturned on appeal because it has to. It was a horrible miscarriage of justice, and while the Democrats needed this for political purposes, they absolutely can't let it stand or every politician will find himself behind bars.

Below statement from your post appears to be a falsehood:

"Here's the problem...the US Election Board had already decided at the Federal level that no crime had been committed for this action."

The US FEC dropped pursuit of this matter in a split ruling based upon: (1) an approaching statute of limitations deadline, and (2) because there was already an ongoing DOJ investigation which the US Election Committee felt would make their investigation redundant. It is completely false to claim that the US FEC found that "no crime had been committed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/06/fec-trump-stormy-daniels-cohen/#

frank83628 · June 1

1 hour ago, Presto said:

I remember a couple of especially vicious and racist anti-Obama (and Michelle Obama) websites from that time.

And of course there was the 24/7 full blast spewing of derogatory remarks by Fox News. And it's affiliates I assume.

and of course there a no news channels websites, fb pages or twitter accounts attacking DT or anyone associated with him?

nauseus · June 1

45 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Thank you. This is a very liberal board; common sense and stable, reasoned debate are often lost here. Many legal scholars decry this farce, and not one thinks it will not be thrown out on appeal. The facts are:

Dem judge (whose daughter works for the Dems),
Dem jury pick from Dem Manhattan,
Dem prosecutor raising a SEVEN-year-old misdemeanour to a felony.
Prime witnesses - a convicted LIAR and a porn star who signed a letter saying Trump was innocent.

It will go to appeal, probably lose and eventually go to SC. It is a very sad day for American justice; in many people's opinion, it is also sad few want to discuss it rationally here, but it is not surprising.

Yes, several reasons to suspect a fit-up, from start to finish.

Hopefully it will be the start of the finish of Biden instead.

Danderman123 · June 1

One in 10 Republicans less likely to vote for Trump after guilty verdict, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds

By November, those Republicans will fall back in line

Walker88 · June 1

Wow!

I just watched the newly convicted felon's presser he gave yesterday, taking no questions.

Personally, I would have asked about all those criminals just released in the Congo (which he spoke about). WT Ph! How is that related to his whining about finally being convicted? Maybe he's going to ask Judge Merchan to send him to a jail in the Congo?

He told us: Dems are going to raise our taxes 4 times (totally made up, but MAGAs will

buy it) and "they're going to take away your cars". (Seems odd Biden would take away our cars after putting so much effort into highway and bridge repair via the Infrastructure Bill)

He also claimed nothing happened between him and Stormy (I would like to ask his 3rd wife if even she believes that), and then claimed (about the Stormy NDA and payoff), "Everybody has those (NDAs)". I feel so impoverished, not having my fair share of NDAs! Maybe I can buy some at a MAGA store?

It was so unhinged and bizarre of a presser, it makes me look forward to the debate on the 27th.

A good Biden opening statement line might be:

"Hi. I'm Joe Biden. I'm the candidate who doesn't have 34 felony convictions nor $550 million in fines and penalties for business fraud and defamation."

BobBKK · June 1

57 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

The problem in America. The political divide. A zero sum game and it's ruining the country. Turn off the news. It's making things worse.

I do agree it is horrible - never seen it so divided.

Presto · June 1

35 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

and of course there a no news channels websites, fb pages or twitter accounts attacking DT or anyone associated with him?

Do you mean attacking the self-confessed pussy grabber for being a pussy grabber?

Me personally, I called Trump a closet-fascist in spring 2016, after watching a handful of his campaign rallies. While most of them had that music he ripped from artists that didn't particularly agreed to it, one of those rallies had Alle menschen werden bruder as opening music, strangely enough.

I must admit I was wrong about the closet-fascist part.

Edited June 1 by Presto

Roo Island · June 1

39 minutes ago, atpeace said:

It is a misdemeanor. No? Being a fool and doing it multiple times, allowed a biased prosecution to magically transform the small offense into a felony. He thought he was too powerful and he found out he can face consequences like the rest of society that IMO that he looks down upon.

Didn't even read the link. It's a felony. Shows what's wrong with America. Many aren't getting the facts.

Attacking the judiciary hurts our fragile democracy significantly.

candide · June 1

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

Wow!

I just watched the newly convicted felon's presser he gave yesterday, taking no questions.

Personally, I would have asked about all those criminals just released in the Congo (which he spoke about). WT Ph! How is that related to his whining about finally being convicted? Maybe he's going to ask Judge Merchan to send him to a jail in the Congo?

He told us: Dems are going to raise our taxes 4 times (totally made up, but MAGAs will

buy it) and "they're going to take away your cars". (Seems odd Biden would take away our cars after putting so much effort into highway and bridge repair via the Infrastructure Bill)

He also claimed nothing happened between him and Stormy (I would like to ask his 3rd wife if even she believes that), and then claimed (about the Stormy NDA and payoff), "Everybody has those (NDAs)". I feel so impoverished, not having my fair share of NDAs! Maybe I can buy some at a MAGA store?

It was so unhinged and bizarre of a presser, it makes me look forward to the debate on the 27th.

A good Biden opening statement line might be:

"Hi. I'm Joe Biden. I'm the candidate who doesn't have 34 felony convictions nor $550 million in fines and penalties for business fraud and defamation."

I read about the Congo B.S.

The moron doesn't even know there are 2 countries called "Congo". As usual, he was lying as none of these two countries has released crimi also to send them to the U.S. Of course, the dumb Trumpers will believe it (OK not all of them 😉).

candide · June 1

A question for our Trumpers. If Trump loses again on appeal, will you accept the appeal verdict? 😀

Edited June 1 by candide

G_Money · June 1

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Not a source for factual information. Pick another source and I'll read your links.

And your proof and links that what I posted is not correct?

Roo Island · June 1

6 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I do agree it is horrible - never seen it so divided.

IMHO. A lot of the blame starts with Trump, then gets amplified by dodgy media outlets trying to make money, and dodgy politicians who are either trying to ride Trump's coat tails or are afraid of him. Stunning how many flip flopped on trump. From hating him to now licking his boots.

Roo Island · June 1

6 hours ago, G_Money said:

And your proof and links that what I posted is not correct?

Never get an intelligent response from you...

atpeace · June 1

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

58 minutes ago, atpeace said:

It is a misdemeanor. No? Being a fool and doing it multiple times, allowed a biased prosecution to magically transform the small offense into a felony. He thought he was too powerful and he found out he can face consequences like the rest of society that IMO that he looks down upon.

==========

Roo Island said:

Didn't even read the link. It's a felony. Shows what's wrong with America. Many aren't getting the facts.

Attacking the judiciary hurts our fragile democracy significantly.

What you stated - "Your not stating the truth. This might help. Falsifying accounting records is a serious crime"

Falsifying the accounting records was a misdemeanor. The prosecution tied the falsifying to other crimes. Hence the felony charge. Questionable tactics but might be justifiable. I have my doubts but I'm sure you are 100%++++ sure it was justifiable. Who are the many flip floppers you're referring to? Interesting and first I have heard of this dynamic.

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Roo Island · June 1

6 hours ago, atpeace said:

What you stated - "Your not stating the truth. This might help. Falsifying accounting records is a serious crime"

Falsifying the accounting records was a misdemeanor. The prosecution tied the falsifying to other crimes. Hence the felony charge. Questionable tactics but might be justifiable. I have my doubts but I'm sure you are 100%++++ sure it was justifiable. Who are the many flip floppers you're referring to? Interesting and first I have heard of this dynamic.

Questionable? It was a crime! A very good read.

https://theconversation.com/trump-found-guilty-5-key-aspects-of-the-trial-explained-by-a-law-professor-231236

Flip flop politicians

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/magazine-trump-flip-flops/

Walker88 · June 1

6 hours ago, atpeace said:

What you stated - "Your not stating the truth. This might help. Falsifying accounting records is a serious crime"

Falsifying the accounting records was a misdemeanor. The prosecution tied the falsifying to other crimes. Hence the felony charge. Questionable tactics but might be justifiable. I have my doubts but I'm sure you are 100%++++ sure it was justifiable. Who are the many flip floppers you're referring to? Interesting and first I have heard of this dynamic.

Under the previous Administration those charges were sufficient for Barr's DoJ to incarcerate Michael Cohen, who was just an underling in the crime. In fact, it was considered sufficiently criminal that Cohen's former boss, who had the power to pardon him (as he pardoned Manafort, Bannon, etc.) chose NOT to do so.

Oddly, when the same felony charges are brought against the crime's mastermind, foul is called.

watthong · June 1

5 hours ago, atpeace said:

prosecutors have taken a misdemeanor and through a legal maze created a felony.

It's called "to the full EXTENT of the laws."

5 hours ago, atpeace said:

He is correct about the witch hunt and you are correct that he is a criminal.

An oxymoron as one half can only be true if the other half isn't.

Hummin · June 1

Read the news today, the Russians is shocked and angry of the plot against Trump!

Sounds familiar? It's going to be used for all its worth in the propaganda war against the west!

Kremlin says Trump's conviction is about White House 'elimination of political rivals', as Russian forces advance in Ukraine

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/103921906

Roo Island · June 1

The problem in America. Dodgy politicians. Attacking the judiciary is a slippery slope.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article288908180.html

Florida’s Rubio made a mockery of the suffering of Cuban prisoners with Trump comparison Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article288908180.html#storylink=cpy

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