Putin Promises 'Immediate' Peace if Ukraine Drops NATO Bid and Cedes Occupied Territories

[LosLobo]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are correct. Only one problem with that- the west wasn't capable of doing that. Hitler defeated France easily, defeated the British, and almost captured the army. America wasn't in the war and wasn't going to be till Hitler declared war on them post Pearl Harbour.

 

Sooooo, just how do you imagine the "west" would have stopped Hitler?

 

Obviously history is not your friend.

The UK, along with its allies, defeated Germany in 1945.

[LosLobo]

15 hours ago, jas007 said:

Here’s your problem:

All they want is no NATO on their doorstep. Seems reasonable to me. 

Here's your problem: Sovereign nation Ukraine promised Russia that they would not join NATO yet there are still Russian troops in Ukraine, which sounds unreasonable to me. Please explain.

Ukraine will not join Nato, says Zelenskiy| Ukraine | The Guardian

[Dcheech]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They used to be called kings or colonists in the past.

 

Still going on as I write, in a region you are familiar with, though they are called settlers.

The Maoris of New Zealand, like most indigenous populations of Oceania, & Australia were decimated by disease. As such colonization was inevitable. I feel for your pain & the cyber tears you shed, but really, no need to live in guilt & self loathing about it, even if you are a "settler". 

[impulse]

On 6/14/2024 at 9:16 PM, Pouatchee said:

if zelensky agreed putin would just rebuild and get ready for the final invasion... no deal--no brainer

 

Let's do a quick reality check here. 

 

Who stands to benefit most from a cease fire?  Russia, whose economy is humming along and who aren't struggling at all to manufacture arms and move men and weapons to the front, or Ukraine, who no longer has an economy to speak of, is running out of manpower, and survives at the whim of feckless western politicians for money and weapons? 

Putin doesn't have to rebuild to keep fighting.  Ukraine does.  In that respect, Ukraine is the one that benefits.  The risk to Russia is allowing them the delusion that they can come back in 5-10-20 years and take back their lost territory.

 

[300sd]

No we wouldn't agree to those terms but perhaps it could be a start toward peace talks! To me the West doesn't seem that interested in peace.

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, 300sd said:

No we wouldn't agree to those terms but perhaps it could be a start toward peace talks! To me the West doesn't seem that interested in peace.

Putin fooled you.

[jvs]

17 hours ago, jas007 said:

Here’s your problem:  you seem to really think that the West can somehow use “force” to stop Putin.  It cannot.  Not on the ground with traditional forces. It doesn’t have the manpower. It doesn’t have equipment in place, and even with the help of other NATO countries, it will fail. The only thing that force will do at  this point is to bring the world closer to nuclear war.  And then no one wins.  We all lose. How does that make any sense?

 

The Us has no business fooling around in Ukraine, but that’s what has been happening for years.  Whether or not Ukraine is a member of NATO shouldn’t be of such importance that we start WWIII over the issue. And no, Russia does not want to reassemble the old Soviet Union.  They just about went bankrupt trying to control all those countries prior to its dissolution, and it doesn’t want to try that again. All they want is no NATO on their doorstep. Seems reasonable to me. No different than in 1962 when President Kennedy wouldn’t stand for Russian missiles in Cuba. Despite what the Neocons want everyone to believe, territorial nation states are still a thing, as are spheres of influence. 

Same old narrative,here is an answer that is also getting old.

Putin sure did a great job stopping NATO on its borders.

He added a very wide doorstep with NATO,only he is to blame(thank) for that.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Does he pinky promise ?

[300sd]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin fooled you.

Time will show who the fools are. It's fairly obvious to many.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The human world has always been so. They used to be called kings or colonists in the past.

 

Still going on as I write, in a region you are familiar with, though they are called settlers.

 

 

Your snark knows no limits.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Time will show who the fools are. It's fairly obvious to many.

True. It's obvious.

 

[Yellowtail]

Putin is only waiting for his puppet Trump to get back in the Whitehouse. 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Putin is only waiting for his puppet Trump to get back in the Whitehouse. 

I wouldn't literally call the convicted felon his puppet but yes there is no way if Putin is still in power that he will quit his war of choice before the U.S. election. 

Edited June 16 by Jingthing

[Yellowtail]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I wouldn't literally call the convicted felon his puppet but yes there is no way if Putin is still in power that he will quit his war of choice before the U.S. election. 

I was talking about Trump, not Hunter. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I was talking about Trump, not Hunter. 

Bizarre post. 

[Gweiloman]

4 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Here's your problem: Sovereign nation Ukraine promised Russia that they would not join NATO yet there are still Russian troops in Ukraine, which sounds unreasonable to me. Please explain.

Ukraine will not join Nato, says Zelenskiy| Ukraine | The Guardian

Your article is over 2 years and at the time that Ukraine was about to sign the peace deal with Russia.

 

Try to keep up.

[Gweiloman]

5 hours ago, LosLobo said:

 

Obviously history is not your friend.

The UK, along with its allies, defeated Germany in 1945.

Did Russia play a part too?

[transam]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

Did Russia play a part too?

I thought you would have known that, being a Red........🤨

[Gweiloman]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Well that's academic but NOW the "collecitive west" as imperialist genocidal fascist dictator Putin likes to call it most definitely IS capable. The problem has been not lack of capability but willingness to commit to victory for Ukraine and willingness to ignore the constant "red line" threats coming from the Kremlin.

 

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Better you stop missing that everyone wants to end the illegal invasion of Ukraine. Or is it ok for you for the wanted war criminal Putin and his genocidal quest to carry on and learn that he can do whatever he wants + get to keep the spoils of his war crimes?

Imperialist, genocidal, fascist, dictator, war criminal… are these the latest buzz words? I noticed Red and commie hasn’t gathered much traction though, lol.

[jas007]

Los Lobo,

 

That article is two years old, so not too relevant today.  In ant event, given the continued U.S. meddling in Ukraine since at least 2014, I’m sure Russia wasn’t taking promises by Zelensky at face value.  And remember, US Secretary of State James Baker once promised Russia that NATO would not expand one inch eastward. That was way back in 1991, I believe. And yet, look at what has happened since. Country after country in Eastern Europe has joined NATO or is in the process of doing so.
 

Now, more than ever, the issue is important to Russia. They don’t want NATO on their doorstep in Ukraine.  That’s understandable. At this point, it’s obvious the U.S. wants nothing more than to harm Russia in as many ways as possible.  The rationale that NATO is only a defensive alliance won’t fly.

 

Imagine hostile forces were established in Tijuana, or Juarez, or Cuba.  Hostile forces armed with all the latest military equipment, including missiles. The U.S. establishment would go nuts.  They don’t want that kind of threat right on the border. Again, that’s understandable. Why should it be any different for Russia?

[transam]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

 

Imperialist, genocidal, fascist, dictator, war criminal… are these the latest buzz words? I noticed Red and commie hasn’t gathered much traction though, lol.

You didn't mention murderer and abductor..........

Though expected coming from a Red commie..........🤗

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

Imperialist, genocidal, fascist, dictator, war criminal… are these the latest buzz words? I noticed Red and commie hasn’t gathered much traction though, lol.

I am sure you can think of a few more yourself no?

[LosLobo]

4 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Did Russia play a part too?

Yes, Russia played a part in being a Nazi ally for the first two years of WWII to carve up Poland. 

But Hitler's Operation Barbarossa ended that.

Seems Russia survived Hitler with US Lend lease help.

[NativeBob]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Why should it be any different for Russia?

because (for some reason beyond my understanding) they are "unterm**sch" and "just not same-same" to glorious nations of Europe and furthermore USA. It was obvious since USSR broke up.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, NativeBob said:

because (for some reason beyond my understanding) they are "unterm**sch" and "just not same-same" to glorious nations of Europe and furthermore USA. It was obvious since USSR broke up.

Was broken up...

[NativeBob]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Was broken up...

Thanks! I thought that it didn't sound right. yes, USSR was broken up [from within]

[frank83628]

On 6/14/2024 at 8:03 PM, Jingthing said:

Putin's obviously desperate.

He sees the writing on the wall. 

Ukraine can't possibly agree to this.

Putin's game is to fuel maga fascist types who actually take such proposals seriously. 

yeah, just keep the war going and people dying..from the safety of your laptop. 

[frank83628]

oh look...i thought it was all about freedom and democracy !!

 

https://www.facebook.com/JimmyDoreShow/videos/720615703424134

 

 

[frank83628]

21 hours ago, johng said:

This ill thought out action will  only speed up other countries desire to join the BRICS  and demise of the petrodollar.

 

the sanctions the US have already dished out have accelerated the amount of countries joining Brics in the past 2 years

[Dcheech]

57 minutes ago, jas007 said:

magine hostile forces were established in Tijuana, or Juarez, or Cuba.  Hostile forces armed with all the latest military equipment, including missiles. The U.S. establishment would go nuts.

 

Cuba has been communist since 1960, with Russian support & military equipment. Yet you think the United States should have invaded? Fascinating and very enlightening to understand how you look at the world. Whilst invasion is popular amongst those with a communist authoritarian oligarchy mindset, glad the US for all its faults, did not invade Cuba.