New COVID Sub-variant KP.2 on the Rise in Thailand

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

While I tend to see anti-vaxxers as dumb & dumber I agree with your post, it seems that OMICRON outruns vaccine developers.

By anti-vaxxer do you mean anti-mRNA vaccines or are all people who don't want these vaccines all anti-vaxxers i.e. anti all vaccines? Seems your just sprouting the same old demonizing narrative.

[dinsdale]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

practising physical distancing

Dr. Anthony Fauci confessed to lawmakers Tuesday that guidelines to keep six feet of separation — ostensibly to limit the spread of COVID-19 — “sort of just appeared” without scientific input.

 

Fauci, 83, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic that the “six feet apart” recommendation championed by him and other US public health officials was “likely not based on scientific data,” according to Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), who is also a physician.

 

COVID ‘6-feet’ social distancing ‘sort of just appeared,’ likely lacked scientific basis, Fauci admits

 

https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/news/fauci-admits-to-congress-that-certain-covid-social-distancing-guidelines-lacked-scientific-basis-sort-of-just-appeared/

[Robert Tyrrell]

Good Morning,

 

Wheres Booster Vaccines Thailand !!!!!! ??? Been trying to locate a Booster covid vaccine for the last 3 months  !!! Anyone have any info ?? 🙂 Apparently the Thai Health Mnister has more important things like criminalizing cannibis that has no adverse issues but covid can be deadly, Great !! Job Thai Health Minister !!!

Edited June 17 by Robert Tyrrell

[klauskunkel]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

While the current vaccines developed against the XBB.1.5 strain show limited effectiveness against this new mutation, it’s crucial not to panic

as the new variant has the ability to home in on a persons panicky vibes.

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Mike Lister said:

It's a nasty bug, the second time for us, despite five vaccinations.

 

5 vaccines and you have had covid 2 times. sounds interesting. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci confessed to lawmakers Tuesday that guidelines to keep six feet of separation — ostensibly to limit the spread of COVID-19 — “sort of just appeared” without scientific input.

 

Fauci, 83, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic that the “six feet apart” recommendation championed by him and other US public health officials was “likely not based on scientific data,” according to Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), who is also a physician.

COVID ‘6-feet’ social distancing ‘sort of just appeared,’ likely lacked scientific basis, Fauci admits

 

https://nypost.com/2024/01/10/news/fauci-admits-to-congress-that-certain-covid-social-distancing-guidelines-lacked-scientific-basis-sort-of-just-appeared/

 

 

Ahh, the good old Rupert Murdoch NY Post...

 

Fauci was wrong when he originally made that off-handed comment above, and he later clarified his remarks in subsequent testimony before a House subcommittee, which I'm suspecting you knew....

 

In his clarification, Fauci noted that he wasn't involved in the drafting of the U.S. social distancing policy, which in fact came from the CDC. And when he said not backed by scientific data, he meant and clarified, there had not been randomized clinical trials done.

 

"Fauci sought to clarify on Monday that the 6-foot guidance came from the CDC and was based on droplet research, telling lawmakers: "It had little to do with me since I didn't make the recommendation and my saying 'there was no science behind it' meant there was no clinical trial behind that."

 

Though asked if social distancing requirements and other public health measures to reduce transmission saves lives, Fauci said "definitely."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-poised-grill-anthony-fauci-covid-19-response/story?id=110677611

 

And of course, there had been much research done on social distancing policies for viruses long before COVID came along, as this 2020 report by the U.S. GAO recounts:

 

"A CDC guideline based on historical studies of selected infections says that the area of highest risk is within 3 feet of an infected person. Some studies suggest a buffer of 6 feet may further reduce risk.

 

Other studies examining droplet dispersion in sneezing and coughing found they can go more than 6 feet. Also, viral material may persist in the air within a room for up to 3 hours."

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-545sp

 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Ahh, the good old Rupert Murdoch NY Post...

 

Fauci was wrong when he made that off-handed comment above, and clarified his remarks in subsequent testimony before a House subcommittee. In his clarification, he noted that he wasn't involved in the drafting of the U.S. social distancing policy, which in fact came from the CDC. And when he said not backed by scientific date, he meant and clarified, there had not been randomized clinical trials done.

 

"Fauci sought to clarify on Monday that the 6-foot guidance came from the CDC and was based on droplet research, telling lawmakers: "It had little to do with me since I didn't make the recommendation and my saying 'there was no science behind it' meant there was no clinical trial behind that."

Though asked if social distancing requirements and other public health measures to reduce transmission saves lives, Fauci said "definitely."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-poised-grill-anthony-fauci-covid-19-response/story?id=110677611

 

And of course, there had been much research done on social distancing policies for viruses long before COVID came along, as this 2020 report by the U.S. GAO recounts:

 

"

A CDC guideline based on historical studies of selected infections says that the area of highest risk is within 3 feet of an infected person. Some studies suggest a buffer of 6 feet may further reduce risk.

Other studies examining droplet dispersion in sneezing and coughing found they can go more than 6 feet. Also, viral material may persist in the air within a room for up to 3 hours."

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-545sp

 

 

 

The publisher of this particular article has nothing to do with it. He admitted this to congress.

[Ben Zioner]

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

By anti-vaxxer do you mean anti-mRNA vaccines or are all people who don't want these vaccines all anti-vaxxers i.e. anti all vaccines? Seems your just sprouting the same old demonizing narrative.

"demonizing narrative"  

[fondue zoo]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

 

cue the huge factoid response you know is coming. tell that to the bla bla bla who died. graph squiggly lines. facts. dr statement. more graphs and long statements. month on over stats. bla bla bla. etc etc. graph and stats. dr statement. alphabet statement. trusted link. 3 letter organizations.

 

it goes on and on and on. what a bore now. yes some people are dying but in the grand picture of life.......

 

152 000 people have already died today on planet earth. 

 

 

 

 

They are already trying to make plans for the next pandemic they say is coming.

But surprise surprise, the attending nations can't agree on anything with many calling bs.

 

 

[cdnvic]

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The publisher of this particular article has nothing to do with it. He admitted this to congress.

 

And subsequently corrected his earlier misstatements in later congressional testimony, which clearly showed that there was in fact science behind the social distancing policy adopted in the U.S., as the 2020 US GAO report I cited above clearly shows.

 

But for some reason, you choose to quote his original mistaken comments, and ignore the subsequent clarifications and corrections he made, which were widely reported in the news as well.

 

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Mike Lister]

18 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

5 vaccines and you have had covid 2 times. sounds interesting. 

And I usually wear a mask in crowds.......I guess maybe I'm just lucky. 

 

In all fairness, my last shot was exactly one year ago and by all accounts, ineffective against the current variants.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Thailand hasn't had a national COVID vaccinations campaign for the general public since 2022...

 

So that means, the vast majority of people in the country with few exceptions are not up-to-date on COVID vaccinations and have not received the latest currently available vaccine version aimed at the more recent XBB variant.

 

In the west at least in places like the U.S. and UK, there will be new versions of the COVID vaccines released later this fall aimed at protecting against the latest KP.2 / JN.1 variants... But Thailand thus far has shown no signs of any plans to make those vaccines widely available to the public.

 

PS - It's not like COVID vaccinations offer some kind of magical permanent protection. The COVID virus keeps changing/mutating, and the vaccine versions typically protect well for about 6 months before the protection wanes substantially...

 

We're likely heading toward a similar situation as with the flu vaccines, where a new version is produced and given annually to reflect the latest strains of that virus, and to top-up the provided protection.

 

 

[Gsxrnz]

They will soon run out of ... variant names.  Bound to go in the direction of the 2SPLGBTQIA++CNBP... alphabet soup brigade. Apologies to all/any of the apparently infinite number of alphabet soup variants I omitted.

 

[stoner]

10 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

And I usually wear a mask in crowds.......I guess maybe I'm just lucky. 

 

In all fairness, my last shot was exactly one year ago and by all accounts, ineffective against the current variants.

 

are you younger or older ? maybe your immune system is trying to tell you something. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

32 minutes ago, Robert Tyrrell said:

Good Morning,

 

Wheres Booster Vaccines Thailand !!!!!! ??? Been trying to locate a Booster covid vaccine for the last 3 months  !!! Anyone have any info ?? 🙂 Apparently the Thai Health Mnister has more important things like criminalizing cannibis that has no adverse issues but covid can be deadly, Great !! Job Thai Health Minister !!!

 

Re your question above, the last time I checked, the latest currently available XBB variant COVID vaccine is available at several locations around Bangkok on a pay for service basis, unlike the past COVID vaccine campaigns run by the government where all the COVID vaccines were free to the public.

 

Here's a link on where the current COVID vaccines should still be available here:

 

 

[Mike Lister]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

 

are you younger or older ? maybe your immune system is trying to tell you something. 

I am in the at risk group

[stoner]

Just now, Mike Lister said:

I am in the at risk group

 

ok makes sense. i am still young and invincible. :)

[Gottfrid]

Another strain, another day.

49 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

When new weekly COVID hospitalizations have gone from 501 in mid-March to 2,881 as of last week, and are at their highest level in the past year, I'd certainly say something substantial is going on.  Lots of people ending up hospitalized with COVID, and almost 750 of them as of today's update listed in "serious" condition.

Same like with the yearly flu, then.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Another strain, another day.

Same like with the yearly flu, then.

 

Yes in terms of continual mutations. Nope in terms of comparable impact:

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/illness-severity.html

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stoner]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Nope...not hardly:

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/illness-severity.html

 

 

i am reading the graph right when i say they are within 2 percent of each other ? 

[actonion]

Some of these   Masks being worn today have been worn since Covid began, the  Mask themselves are carrying more Bacteria than Covid ...teach  the locals more about hygiene... 

[john donson]

to the vaccine mobile

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

i am reading the graph right when i say they are within 2 percent of each other ? 

 

Look at the size of the orange columns for COVID deaths. Then look at the size of the blue columns for flu deaths. Not even close.

 

Also:

 

 

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

By anti-vaxxer do you mean anti-mRNA vaccines or are all people who don't want these vaccines all anti-vaxxers i.e. anti all vaccines? Seems your just sprouting the same old demonizing narrative.

Too many, unfortunately, are still buying into the greater scamming regarding everything COVID. 

Systematic dumbing down comes to mind.

[stoner]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Look at the size of the orange columns for COVID deaths. Then look at the size of the blue columns for flu deaths. Not even close.

 

Also:

 

 

 

 

So again am I correct in saying they are within 2 percent of each other ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Some here seemingly would have everyone ignore facts and reality like the following:

 

"The latest MoPH report on new weekly COVID hospitalizations shows them continuing a long upward climb since mid-March. The weekly tallies during that recent period have been:

 

March 16 -- 501

March 23 -- 630

March 30 -- 728

April 6 -- 774

April 13 -- 849

April 20 -- 1,004

April 27 -- 1,672

May 4 -- 1,792

May 11 -- 1,880

May 18 - 1,882

May 25 -- 1,801

June 1 -- 1,863

June 8 -- 2,762

June 15 -- 2,881"

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1326140-hospitalizations-climb-in-thailands-spring-2024-covid-surge/?do=findComment&comment=18995834

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dhupverg]

Never ending game of catch up for those chasing the latest booster.  Run forest run.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, dhupverg said:

Never ending game of catch up for those chasing the latest booster.  Run forest run.

 

That's true to a certain extent.

 

But IMHO, better to keep catching up and do what you can to protect your health vs. failing to do so, and increasing your risks of COVID hospitalization or worse...

 

Especially for those with COVID risk conditions that include older ages, a multitude of chronic health conditions including high blood pressure or being overweight, etc etc. -- that when you add them all together, ends up covering a large portion of the overall population.

 

[stoner]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"The latest MoPH report on new weekly COVID hospitalizations shows them continuing a long upward climb since mid-March.

 

yet deaths have flatlined and/or declined in that same time period. a key piece of information you conveniently left out. i do recall latest weekly death toll was 5. a few weeks ago it was 12.