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Reflection on American Polarization - The Demonization of Dr. Fauci


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IDK

 

I think the most troubling thing about this controversy over Fauci is that I do not know what to believe. There is perhaps too much information and this results in a severe case of cognitive dissonance. What is true about the cause of COVID and  what informs your opinion? Who is credible? In this age of tribalism on the political front with misinformation and disinformation blanketing the Internet by both US political parties and perhaps hostile third parties - WHO KNOWS?  

 

I guess you could sum it up with one acronym - WTF?

 

How do you develop and arrive at your opinion?

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15 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

IDK

 

I think the most troubling thing about this controversy over Fauci is that I do not know what to believe. There is perhaps too much information and this results in a severe case of cognitive dissonance. What is true about the cause of COVID and  what informs your opinion? Who is credible? In this age of tribalism on the political front with misinformation and disinformation blanketing the Internet by both US political parties and perhaps hostile third parties - WHO KNOWS?  

 

I guess you could sum it up with one acronym - WTF?

 

How do you develop and arrive at your opinion?

Well one can see the Wuhan lab from the "wet market"! Sure it probably came from the market.

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While the opinions of some GOP members may be a trifle OTT, it is hard not to notice that Fauci is an utterly unctuous human being....

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Whether or not he deserves the current level of excoriation is very debatable, however he did become the primary advocate for "the narrative", and Big Pharma, there were so many aspects of the narrative that were questionable and very debatable. And likely untrue. 

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1 minute ago, WilliamSmits said:

Covid was new and there was limited information at first.

A Covid virus, in one form or another, has been known about, or at least experienced, by humans for hundreds of years.  Covid 19 was just its latest manifestation. Like a London bus, another one will be along shortly.  

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4 hours ago, 300sd said:

Well one can see the Wuhan lab from the "wet market"! Sure it probably came from the market.

Well, if one can see it, that's surely a scientific proof! 😅

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1 hour ago, Globalres said:

As far as I’m concerned, science should be debated with all and every aspect of views between acknowledged scientists on every angle of the topic. In the end truth shall be found.  By silencing/threatening/ignoring/smearing opinions of previously heralded world renowned scientists  because of them not adhering to the new common “brain washing” dogma in my opinion is propaganda and not science. I seriously wonder why this has happened.  Why have so many previously respected scientists and doctors been silenced?  Why is the issue taboo? Why is it so important to quell any opposing viewpoints?  George Orwell’s 1982 has unfortunately become reality.

 

I would agree if we were in a pre-social media environment.

But seeing how rational and factual arguments do not reach the minds of a large part of people, and how some groups successfully pushed some ludicrous narratives to manipulate opinion, one has to wonder.

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1 hour ago, tgw said:

 

I would agree if we were in a pre-social media environment.

But seeing how rational and factual arguments do not reach the minds of a large part of people, and how some groups successfully pushed some ludicrous narratives to manipulate opinion, one has to wonder.

This is exactly the problem.  Only one narrative was permitted!  
News channels should have had debate stages, but even the news channels were prohibited from deviating from the government official narrative.  
Dr. R Malone, one of the scientists who “invented” the mRNA technique was silenced just because he queried how that science was being utilised.

Dr. p. macCullagh (spelling?), a world renowned heart surgeon/specialist was totally silenced because he warned of myocarditis as a side effect of the mRNA COVID jab.

There are many, many more doctors/scientists who had their licenses revoked, bank accounts questioned or shut down.  
Again, I’m wondering why this aggressiveness.  It couldn’t surely only be due to money being passed around?  Such suspect behaviour does create questions - and theyre not being answered.

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1 hour ago, candide said:

Well, if one can see it, that's surely a scientific proof! 😅

No, just some common sense!! Some have very little of it!

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8 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

While other explanations, such as speculations that SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a laboratory have been proposed,such explanations are not supported by evidence.

 

Nor is there "evidence" it came from an animal in the wet market; Occam's razor. 

 

"science" is supported through tax dollars, or vested interests, just follow the money. Peer review, for this same reason, has become a joke. DEI has chosen new students, scientists, etc., not from the pool of the best, but from smaller pools of "the best from this smaller pool". 

 

How many verbally rejected the vaccine prior to their "side" being elected, even though it was the same vaccine? 

 

How many people took a newly, barely human tested vaccine even though, based on an early, "scientific" study of Covid, it only had a 1.5% mortality rate? 

 

Why do you trust your government, when your side is on top, as much as you do? 

 

68, fat, smoker, pureblood. I don't trust the government regardless of who's on top. Unfortunately, I have to depend on them for most of my pension (which I paid into for over 40yrs), which undoubtedly will be reduced in the future to support an even bigger government. 

 

Ok, that's my yearly rant. Have a nice day. 

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5 hours ago, Globalres said:

As far as I’m concerned, science should be debated with all and every aspect of views between acknowledged scientists on every angle of the topic. In the end truth shall be found.  By silencing/threatening/ignoring/smearing opinions of previously heralded world renowned scientists  because of them not adhering to the new common “brain washing” dogma in my opinion is propaganda and not science. I seriously wonder why this has happened.  Why have so many previously respected scientists and doctors been silenced?  Why is the issue taboo? Why is it so important to quell any opposing viewpoints?  George Orwell’s 1982 has unfortunately become reality.

They haven't been silenced, just proven wrong.

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4 hours ago, Globalres said:

This is exactly the problem.  Only one narrative was permitted!  
News channels should have had debate stages, but even the news channels were prohibited from deviating from the government official narrative.  
Dr. R Malone, one of the scientists who “invented” the mRNA technique was silenced just because he queried how that science was being utilised.

Dr. p. macCullagh (spelling?)a world renowned heart surgeon/specialist was totally silenced because he warned of myocarditis as a side effect of the mRNA COVID jab.

There are many, many more doctors/scientists who had their licenses revoked, bank accounts questioned or shut down.  
Again, I’m wondering why this aggressiveness.  It couldn’t surely only be due to money being passed around?  Such suspect behaviour does create questions - and theyre not being answered.

Malone who 'claimed' to have invented the mRNA vaccine! 😀

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/technology/robert-malone-covid.html

 

Has he published an empirical study in a peer-reviewed journal, or just been interviewed in crappy media?

 

As to McCulough, the horse dewormer apologist, he did publish papers, but not supported by empirical evidence, and has been contradicted by empirical studies.

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8 hours ago, Globalres said:

This is exactly the problem.  Only one narrative was permitted!  
News channels should have had debate stages, but even the news channels were prohibited from deviating from the government official narrative.  
Dr. R Malone, one of the scientists who “invented” the mRNA technique was silenced just because he queried how that science was being utilised.

Dr. p. macCullagh (spelling?), a world renowned heart surgeon/specialist was totally silenced because he warned of myocarditis as a side effect of the mRNA COVID jab.

There are many, many more doctors/scientists who had their licenses revoked, bank accounts questioned or shut down.  
Again, I’m wondering why this aggressiveness.  It couldn’t surely only be due to money being passed around?  Such suspect behaviour does create questions - and theyre not being answered.

 

Publicly seeding doubt is not indicated during a national and worldwide emergency situation.

It's something that people are welcome to do once the situation is under control or turned out to be less serious than it potentially was.

 

During such a crisis I consider it normal for the government to control the media. And from my point of view, it failed to do so, in addition to anti-mask people, there were plenty of contrarians and charlatans in the media that caused thousands if not more unnecessary deaths. If COVID had really been serious, it would have been nearly impossible to contain in most countries.

 

An emergency situation is not about you, me, or our rights to free speech or whatever. It's a time when the nation must follow and support the elected leaders and trust their judgement and their experts.

That's why it's important to have elected leaders one can trust to do the right thing to try and save as many people as possible.

 

Watch Japanese people carrying out emergency procedure rehearsals. That's how society should act in case of emergency.

 

COVID has certainly been a wake-up call.

Even China with their police state and government-controlled internet was unable to completely control information.

 

Our countries certainly need to do some serious thinking about how to protect our populations from a future pandemic, one that could potentially pose a lethal threat.

All while the "population" is working with all its might again being protected, because they "did their own research" and are being manipulated by demagogues, populists and foreign powers.

The alert and quarantine system has to work much faster and be way stricter, supplies need to be organized as well as production maintained. Huge challenge.

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