Southport Stabbing: Child Killed and Several Injured in Taylor Swift-Themed Workshop Attack

[Kinnock]

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

More Pure Speculation........

Rwanda is a predominantly Christian country, so if speculating, the murderer is probably Christian.  But the key issue is that many people in the UK have had enough of the world's problems washing up on their shores, and the problem is compounded by their mal-adjusted offspring.

 

The violent demonstration in Southport today shows the strength of the negativity towards illegal immigration in the UK.

 

Try arriving into Thailand by rubber boat, and you'll not get a free hotel stay and benefits for your kids.

[James105]

13 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Rwanda is a predominantly Christian country, so if speculating, the murderer is probably Christian

 

Statistics do not back that up though.  The UK is a predominantly christian country.  Where have the vast, vast majority of the terrorist attacks come from?  Hint: not christians.  

[brianthainess]

37 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Rwanda is a predominantly Christian country, so if speculating, the murderer is probably Christian.  But the key issue is that many people in the UK have had enough of the world's problems washing up on their shores, and the problem is compounded by their mal-adjusted offspring.

 

The violent demonstration in Southport today shows the strength of the negativity towards illegal immigration in the UK.

 

Try arriving into Thailand by rubber boat, and you'll not get a free hotel stay and benefits for your kids.

Still speculation he is from Rwanda. 

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

Still speculation he is from Rwanda. 

 

 

Doesn't matter where where he is from - the post content is still valid.

[youreavinalaff]

13 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

I always thought that speaking a lot and saying nothing was a trait peculiar to Thais but the UK media along with our pathetic politicians are doing a good job of convincing me otherwise.  Hours and hours of public statements and hollow platitudes but never once mentioning the attacker. How bizarre is that 

You've not been keeping up, have you?

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Rwanda is a predominantly Christian country, so if speculating, the murderer is probably Christian.  But the key issue is that many people in the UK have had enough of the world's problems washing up on their shores, and the problem is compounded by their mal-adjusted offspring.

 

The violent demonstration in Southport today shows the strength of the negativity towards illegal immigration in the UK.

 

Try arriving into Thailand by rubber boat, and you'll not get a free hotel stay and benefits for your kids.

Why do you mention illegal immigration?

 

The family of the accused have been in UK since 2013. The father works, the kids are/have been at school. Very much doubt they are illegal.

Edited July 31 by youreavinalaff

[Regyai]

From the net this morning

 

As a catalyst, it would make a more convincing explanation of the spontaneity of the Southport 'riot' at the Mosque (than mainstream media's fictitious assertations of bussed in right-wing bigots):

 

[JonnyF]

It was obvious what demographic it was by the fact they didn't release any details about the attacker for so long.

 

If it had been Scott Gallagher the England fan from Rochdale they'd have released it and been screaming about the far right within an hour.

 

But no. Hush hush. Let's not let everyone know the latest atrocity caused by the cultural enrichers. Let it seep out slowly once the story has died down.

 

I only wish the liberals had been there to witness the reality. The consequences of their stupid #bekind virtue signalling. 

 

Libs, if you need to feel good about yourselves how about volunteering at the dog shelter instead of ruining Britain with your violent intolerant immigrants.

[Bday Prang]

The only reason for the police presence last night was to protect the mosque

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, Kinnock said:

the problem is compounded by their mal-adjusted

mal adjusted because they are continually told by the self flagellating lefties that they are victims  and how oppressed they are. This is also repeated to them  regularly by their own.

[Bday Prang]

Have any muslim "community leaders" actually condemned the original incident ?   They are all out today whinging about a bit of trouble outside their mosque and crying racism of course

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, brianthainess said:

Sadly This is normal rhetoric, from those who are prejudice against all Muslims or Black people. 

             And it  could also be considered normal rhetoric from  normal people who are not "raving psycho racists" but  are genuinely fearful of what is happening. It may not be "politically correct" it may not be considered normal or rational behaviour. People can act out of character when put under stress, and throwing the usual sad racism accusations around is bang out of order. 

             Thanks to an unthought out knee jerk media silence , (for our own good) nobody actually knows what race he is or even whether he is a muslim or not,  Have you even, for one minute, considered  that the anger and unrest displayed was primarily as a result of what he had done, rather than the unknown details of his skin colour or religious convictions.  

[Regyai]

39 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

The only reason for the police presence last night was to protect the mosque

 

 

The ubiquitous UK two-tier policing at play

 

The above in and of itself, probably went a great way to fan last night's flames

[brewsterbudgen]

3 hours ago, brianthainess said:

Still speculation he is from Rwanda. 

His parents came from Rwanda.  He was born in Wales.

[Bday Prang]

12 hours ago, RayC said:

 

So you're in favour of the state involving itself in extra judicial killings?

in certain circumstances yes of course,  

[richard_smith237]

17 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Do they fear that the good people of Southport might start throwing stones , burning police cars, assaulting officers. breaking noses  and rioting in the streets shouting  "ally akbar" Personally I think that's very  unlikely

The fact  that 3 kids have been killed by a violent knife wielding stranger from elsewhere. is pretty incendiary in it's self   

 

The 'Good people of Southport' did not throw stones, burn police cars and assault police officers. 

 

Reported, thugs from 'outside of Southport' turned up, beer cans in hand and started to get violent as the vigil drew to a close...  ironically, outsiders (outsider to Southport) violently protesting about outsiders (immigrants).

 

 

IMO The speculation in social media was fuelled by the recent distrust in the Police to 'protect' the identities of minorities for fear of the very same reaction that occurred anyway.

 

17 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

The advice to avoid jumping to conclusions etc etc would never have been issued if the perp was a neo nazi or a skinhead.  No amount of political posturing and hollow platitudes can disguise what has happened

 

Agree - the advice not to jump to conclusions while avoiding the release of any information itself led to people 'reading between the lines' and was incendiary...   the distrust of the police lead to no one believing the "this was not terrorism related" line... 

 

As the Poster was just 17 years old facts were not presented the public... But, the released facts were initially "a man born in Cardiff and from Banks"....   seemed to obviously mask the fact that he was born to immigrant parents...  

 

"A 17 year male born in Cardiff to Christian Rwandan Parents and now living in Banks, Lancashire" - would have perhaps subdued some of the initial speculation that this was an attack in the name of Islam. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bday Prang]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The 'Good people of Southport' did not throw stones, burn police cars and assault police officers. 

 

Reported, thugs from 'outside of Southport' turned up, beer cans in hand and started to get violent as the vigil drew to a close...  ironically, outsiders (outsider to Southport) violently protesting about outsiders (immigrants).

 

 

IMO The speculation in social media was fuelled by the recent distrust in the Police to 'protect' the identities of minorities for fear of the very same reaction that occurred anyway.

 

 

Agree - the advice not to jump to conclusions while avoiding the release of any information itself led to people 'reading between the lines' and was incendiary...   the distrust of the police lead to no one believing the "this was not terrorism related" line... 

 

As the Poster was just 17 years old facts were not presented the public... But, the released facts were initially "a man born in Cardiff and from Banks"....   seemed to obviously mask the fact that he was born to immigrant parents...  

 

"A 17 year male born in Cardiff to Christian Rwandan Parents and now living in Banks, Lancashire" - would have perhaps subdued some of the initial speculation that this was an attack in the name of Islam. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                     I must admit I was a bit surprised how it escalated last night , but what do people expect. the media and the authorities arrogantly refused to release any information at all. So desperate are they to quell any anti muslim sentiment,  but their incompetence made things worse. Keeping information back from the public is effectively treating people like idiots and a negative response of some sort  is only to be expected.

                     Its no secret that anti muslim tensions are running high at present, they could have done a much better job of convincing us it was not muslim related simply by telling the truth , instead of trying to be clever.    

                      There may well have been some undesirables  present in the crowd yesterday, is that so surprising,?  whilst the families of the victims will be understandably devastated and heartbroken as a result of the murders, other people will be just plain angry, and that anger is fed by the speculation and rumours in circulation as a direct result of the lack of information released to the public. 

                       Do  right wing people have just as much right to be upset by this horrible crime  as anybody else.  

I saw no attempt by any police officers to communicate with the crowd before it all kicked off the loud hailer appears to have remained in the box

The police and authorities have now repeatedly said that the rioters will face the full force of the law,  yet there has been no mention of the knifeman facing the full force of the law 

[Bday Prang]

Ironically , keir starmer having flown up to southport with Evette Cooper to lay their wreaths and indulge in a bit of political posturing (for which he was rightly heckled by the crowd) has now accused others of hijacking  the tragedy for political point scoring 

[josephbloggs]

13 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

            People have been passing themselves off as younger or older since time immemorial for a variety of reasons, my grandfather  for example lied about his age in order to fight for his country in the first world war,

           

 

That's an entirely different thing. You exact words were:

 

As long as they can pass him off as under 18 they can effectively keep all details secret.  They think we are fools and will tell us whatever they want us to hear, with scant regard for the truth.   

 

You were implying that "they" - ie. the police or the government or whoever else you think is in on the conspiracy - will try to pass him off as underage so they don't have to tell you details about him which is just ludicrous.

 

Then you went on to say:

 

They will be busy now, what with  refurbishing a nice new flat for him, getting him a mobile phone , flat screen TV and playstation, sorting out his benefits, arranging the various support plans he needs, and most importantly,    building his fully funded legal team

 

....which is nonsense, absolute tripe. He is in custody and will be charged and tried.

 

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More recently an arrangement was made by the government  to accept some child refugees, I think it was called "the dublin agreement "  anyway the emphasis is on "child" some of those who ended up fostering these "kids" were quite surprised when  they had to buy him a new razor every other day and another was confirmed as being at least 20 year old by a dentist who treated his wisdom tooth

 

Link please, or this is this just more meaningless hearsay.

 

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 I'm surprised by your accusations of racism ,  but only because you left it to the end of your rather sad attempt at a reply, your sort usually start shouting such insults as soon as you realise you are losing the argument which was clearly the case from the start.

          There was nothing racist in my post whatsoever, I was criticising what I personally consider to be an overly lenient legal system, the only person who mentioned colour was you "they weren't even brown"   Your racism accusation actually looks rather stupid as a result.

     

Not sure why you are surprised really, your views are obvious as you have convinced yourself he is a muslim and that if he was white we'd know his name etc (we wouldn't).

 

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There is no love lost between me and Georgia Georgia but  I must say he is a very shrewd  judge of character and he has you sussed. Apparently you like to go crying to the moderators, when you get upset,   how would you feel if you were described as a paranoid racist  would you go running to a moderator?     

I literally have no idea what you are talking about, but ok.

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

                     I must admit I was a bit surprised how it escalated last night , but what do people expect. the media and the authorities arrogantly refused to release any information at all. So desperate are they to quell any anti muslim sentiment,  but their incompetence made things worse. Keeping information back from the public is effectively treating people like idiots and a negative response of some sort  is only to be expected.

                     Its no secret that anti muslim tensions are running high at present, they could have done a much better job of convincing us it was not muslim related simply by telling the truth , instead of trying to be clever.    

                      There may well have been some undesirables  present in the crowd yesterday, is that so surprising,?  whilst the families of the victims will be understandably devastated and heartbroken as a result of the murders, other people will be just plain angry, and that anger is fed by the speculation and rumours in circulation as a direct result of the lack of information released to the public. 

                       Do  right wing people have just as much right to be upset by this horrible crime  as anybody else.  

I saw no attempt by any police officers to communicate with the crowd before it all kicked off the loud hailer appears to have remained in the box

The police and authorities have now repeatedly said that the rioters will face the full force of the law,  yet there has been no mention of the knifeman facing the full force of the law 

Pathetic defense of vandals and hooligans. 

[RuamRudy]

Can we all show some sympathy for this true British patriot who suffered for his country yesterday? No sniggering please - it's a serious business defending our 'culture'. 

 

 

[josephbloggs]

16 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Of course I remember the Bulger case I live not far from where the body was found, If I remember correctly no anti terrorism police were involved and it was not considered  necessary to deny any links to terrorism, probably because there were no links to terrorism. 

It happened in 1993. It was not a mass attack, so why would they suspect terrorism? He was also seen on CCTV being taken away by two ten year old boys, so it was obviously not terror related. Not sure where you are going with this.

 

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They were named,  Robert Thompson and John Venables and photographs were published,  the anonymity came later after they were convicted.

 

Absolutely incorrect. They were not named and no photos were released. This is the law. After the trial is complete the judge has the discretion to name the convicts if he thinks it is in the public interest and in this case he thought the public had a right to know so he ordered the gag to be rescinded. This was hugely controversial at the time. The same may or may not happen in this case just as it does with any case involving minors - a black out on identity until the trial is over and even then it can only be ordered lifted by the judge, or he can decide to keep it in place. This is the law.

 

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They should have been executed, and if the left leaning members of society didn't have the stomach for that then it should have been done secretly.   

I don't agree with the death penalty but I can understand your feelings here. It was a revolting crime and they should have been left to rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives. I went to school a few miles from where he was found.

[josephbloggs]

16 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

As expected it has just been announced that the knife man was of course "known to the authorities" and apparently was being watched !! 

Where was this announced??

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Why do you mention illegal immigration?

 

The family of the accused have been in UK since 2013. The father works, the kids are/have been at school. Very much doubt they are illegal.

Thought the claims were that the 17yo was born in the UK ...... But his family arrived in 2013 .... The numbers don't add up!

[Bday Prang]

47 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Where was this announced??

I was told it was on sky news although I did not see it personally  It have heard it mentioned in discussions on other channels and Farage has been criticised for daring to menton it.  Its not a secret

Edited July 31 by Bday Prang

[josephbloggs]

15 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I was told it was on sky news although I did not see it personally  It have heard it mentioned in discussions on other channels and Farage has been criticised for daring to menton it.  Its not a secret

So it hasn't been announced then has it. Only by people with an anti immigration agenda. Just like they made his name up to sound Muslim.

It's pretty sickening people like Farage trying to jump on this to score political points and whip up the neanderthals. It's an awful situation, let due process take its course, let the facts come out. For now he should shut his pie hole and show some respect.

Edited July 31 by josephbloggs

[transam]

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So it hasn't been announced then has it. Only by people with an anti immigration agenda. Just like they made his name up to sound Muslim.

Will you be back here if confirmed a religious nut......?  🤭

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So it hasn't been announced then has it. Only by people with an anti immigration agenda. Just like they made his name up to sound Muslim.

 

Agreed....  but in the UK there is unfortunately a growing anti-Islam sentiment.... Why is that ?...   

 

Is a certain amount of Islamaphobia simply down to racism and bigotry? or, are there 'other' elements and reasons lending to these growing tensions.

 

I consider myself a balanced individual, however, I allowed my bias to surface when first hearing the reports of these abhorrent murders with my first suspicions being of a muslim male murdering in the name of Islam - Quite clearly I was wrong... nevertheless, I didn't think it was a Chinese or Indian Male carrying out such atrocities. 

 

We are of course often led by our bias, often incorrectly so, however, that bias is often born of a reality, unfair when generalising, perhaps....  nevertheless, not wholly inaccurate either.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31 by richard_smith237

[Bday Prang]

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So it hasn't been announced then has it. Only by people with an anti immigration agenda. Just like they made his name up to sound Muslim.

Whatever you say

[josephbloggs]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Will you be back here if confirmed a religious nut......?  🤭

If that makes you happy. But people making stuff up before it is even known is just disgraceful. And people like you lapping it up and it definitely incited violence - the mobs attacked a mosque because it has been (wrongly) posted on right wing sites that he had a funny Muslim name.

I would rather show some respect to the people who are suffering and let justice take its course.