Trump Claims Harris Is 'Afraid' to Debate on Fox News Amid Debate Controversy

[spidermike007]

A warning to Donald Trump and JD Vance: Tread carefully when it comes to women, including Vice President Kamala Harris. All signs point to a tight race in November, and the GOP ticket is already behind with women: In five battleground states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Harris leads by 9 points or more with the ladies.

Closing that gap may be an uphill battle. Even if Trump were ahead, it would be foolish to ignore the power of women voters: About 7.4 million more women than men were registered to vote in 2022, according to the Center for American Women in Politics, and more women than men have voted in every presidential election since 1964. 

 

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, Ultrathai said:

He shredded Biden.

Biden shredded himself. Trump was just telling his usual lies. When he goes up against Kamala Harris, he knows she’s not going to let him get  away with that. 
They should do two debates: one in a venue proposed by Trump, and one in a venue proposed by Harris. Problem solved. Although I doubt very much if Trump is going to debate Harris at all.

[mikebike]

45 has taken to writing fantasy wish-casting on Truth in a post which is very, very normal and obviously crafted by a sharp, intuitive mind 😉

 

[Flyguy330]

It would be interesting to have a thread where that claim that Biden is the worst US President ever was debated.

No matter what you think of Trump, or even Biden, he wasn't the worst President ever in my opinion.

I believe that was Woodrow Wilson - the US President who agreed to the setting up of the Fed, and handed US monetary policy over to a cabal of crooked bankers.

He also introduced the Income Tax in the US, and was a renowned racist. His efforts in WW1 are not universally appreciated either.

Overall I'd say he is higher on any 'Worst' list than Biden - or even Trump for that matter.

[rudi49jr]

Presidential historians, across the board from Democrats to Republicans, disagree strongly with you:

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th

 

 

[Smokin Joe]

3 hours ago, JCauto said:

 

I've been asking you guys these same questions, and none of you has given me a reasonable attempt at an answer. Why are all the great musicians, actors and other creative artists ALL on the Left? Like, do you HAVE to be Woke to be any good at all in music or acting or art? Why are the Right so uncreative and boring? Fortunately the answer can't be found in a Kid Rock song otherwise I'd have to actually listen to one. 

 

Just keep spouting those buzzwords and diving deep into misogyny and racism, I'm sure that's going to bring the votes of the undecided and independents over to Trump/Vance. 

 

That's a nice list of the people who are don't perform a single necessary function.

 

I have never NEEDED a musician, an actor, an artist, or a professional athlete. NEVER. They are all just providing entertainment or distraction which is nice to have but is not a necessity.

 

Many of the people on the right are people we actually NEED. We NEED truck drivers, construction workers, farmers, retail workers, plumbers, postmen etc. These are the people that make up the right.

[Patong2021]

4 minutes ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

That's a nice list of the people who are don't perform a single necessary function.

 

I have never NEEDED a musician, an actor, an artist, or a professional athlete. NEVER. They are all just providing entertainment or distraction which is nice to have but is not a necessity.

 

Many of the people on the right are people we actually NEED. We NEED truck drivers, construction workers, farmers, retail workers, plumbers, postmen etc. These are the people that make up the right.

 

They also make up what you call the left.

[JCauto]

4 minutes ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

That's a nice list of the people who are don't perform a single necessary function.

 

I have never NEEDED a musician, an actor, an artist, or a professional athlete. NEVER. They are all just providing entertainment or distraction which is nice to have but is not a necessity.

 

Many of the people on the right are people we actually NEED. We NEED truck drivers, construction workers, farmers, retail workers, plumbers, postmen etc. These are the people that make up the right.

'

And those people are on the Left as well. That's why the two parties get pretty much 95% of the vote every election and these regular folk are the ones whose votes comprise the vast majority.

 

That you see music, movies, or art as "unnecessary" demonstrates a fundamental difference in philosophy, and perhaps this indeed is why the Right is lacking in such people. But for whatever reason, the Right keep trotting out the artistic mediocrities like Kid Rock, Scott Baio and the like to their rallies - why? They're unnecessary, no? I guess you want to get bigger crowds and more buzz as well as have the people there entertained. But the policies that you advocate for are so antithetical to those of the artists that Republican people also love to watch that you can't even get permission to play their songs at GOP rallies. This is informative. Another aspect is the push for book bans - that the Right is so afraid of books that give readers different ideas and messages shows how bankrupt their philosophies are. The people who supposedly wish for "freedom" seem to care a lot more about using government power to oppress those who have different thoughts than they do. 

It's good that you understand that the regular working folks are the ones who are really needed to make an economy work as COVID-19 showed us. So why are Republican policies so focused on helping the wealthy at the expense of these workers? Why, for example, in the Trillion dollar budget-busting deficit-creating tax cuts that Trump passed during his term did the ones for the regular folks expire, while the Capital Gains tax cuts and Corporate tax cuts were permanent? How does this help those folks? And why do all the unions back the blue? They're the ones who have fought for pretty much all the benefits that have accrued to the workers since the dark days of child labor and penury. Food for thought, no?

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Trump's suing ABC and George Stephanopoulos and his lawsuit has been given permission to proceed. Thus ABC and he have a conflict of interest. Have the debate moderated by the org you're suing? I don't think so!

 

Trump agreed to easy terms to get Biden out of his basement and give him false hope he could win on his terms w/ the fake news moderators behind him. Worked. No such need with Harris. Being on stage with Trump would elevate Harris and be to her advantage, until she's shredded. He has the right to negotiate terms this time.

 

 

You make a lot of unfounded childish claims in your statement. Ok, so Trump is filing a defamation claim against ABC. Trump also brought 62 legal cases alleging election fraud and every single case at trial was either summarily dismissed for lack of evidence or lost on fact.

 

Trump alleges that Stephanopoulos and the ABC network defamed him when Stephanopoulos said during an interview with Rep. Nancy Mace that a New York jury found Trump had “raped” Jean Carroll, a writer whose own cases against Trump resulted in Trump being found liable for sexual abuse.  Stephanopoulos was relying on the court transcript from  another Trump case where Trump had tried to countersue Jean Carroll, and the judge had ruled against Trump.  The presiding judge stated  that Jean Carroll's statement of claim that Trump had raped her was “substantially true,” and agreed that Trump had raped her in the broader sense of that word, as people generally understand the term. The technicality was that the actual act did not fit the narrow definition of rape as set out in New York law. 

 

There is no evidence of bias at ABC in this matter, as you claim. George Stephanopoulos would not have been involved in any "debate" and the moderators would have not been able to impose  any personal bias as the format would follow the first debate.  Trump wants to move the proceedings to Fox because they will have an audience that will be allowed to bray and shout. Fox would  screen the audience and if it is like previous Fox events, the audience would not be neutral. The reality is that Trump wants his supporters present. He needs them to provide cover for his unfounded claims and allegations. Harris won't play that game.

 

Harris is Vice President of the USA. Trump is a convicted felon and a serial bankrupt. To claim that Trump would elevate her is nonsensical and delusional.

Edited August 7 by Patong2021

[xylophone]

31 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

You make a lot of unfounded childish claims in your statement. Ok, so Trump is filing a defamation claim against ABC. Trump also brought 62 legal cases alleging election fraud and every single case at trial was either summarily dismissed for lack of evidence or lost on fact.

 

Trump alleges that Stephanopoulos and the ABC network defamed him when Stephanopoulos said during an interview with Rep. Nancy Mace that a New York jury found Trump had “raped” Jean Carroll, a writer whose own cases against Trump resulted in Trump being found liable for sexual abuse.  Stephanopoulos was relying on the court transcript from  another Trump case where Trump had tried to countersue Jean Carroll, and the judge had ruled against Trump.  The presiding judge stated  that Jean Carroll's statement of claim that Trump had raped her was “substantially true,” and agreed that Trump had raped her in the broader sense of that word, as people generally understand the term. The technicality was that the actual act did not fit the narrow definition of rape as set out in New York law. 

 

There is no evidence of bias at ABC in this matter, as you claim. George Stephanopoulos would not have been involved in any "debate" and the moderators would have not been able to impose  any personal bias as the format would follow the first debate.  Trump wants to move the proceedings to Fox because they will have an audience that will be allowed to bray and shout. Fox would  screen the audience and if it is like previous Fox events, the audience would not be neutral. The reality is that Trump wants his supporters present. He needs them to provide cover for his unfounded claims and allegations. Harris won't play that game.

 

Harris is Vice President of the USA. Trump is a convicted felon and a serial bankrupt. To claim that Trump would elevate her is nonsensical and delusional.

"You make a lot of unfounded childish claims in your statement".

 

Well what did you expect from a die-hard trumpie. It has been proven time and time again that they have no use for facts and live in a land which can be found by going "down the rabbit hole"..........trump in Wonderland, no less than a cult.

[BigStar]

4 hours ago, JCauto said:

Yeah, right. I'm SURE it has to do with the legal issues

 

Part of it, absolutely. He's quite annoyed with ABC, and he MAY get a nice settlement of out of them. Otherwise, he'd never agreed to debate her anyway, esp. not under Biden's sweetheart deal w/ no negotiation. OF COURSE she'd like the same deal w/ liberal hack moderators.

 

So if he's going to debate, he has a perfect right to negotiate a new deal, and he definitely should.

 

<SNIP! Off-topic ranting>

[thesetat2013]

 

[BusyB]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I think Harris should agree to debate him where ever and whenever she can. She end up looking strong by accepting a debate on hostile ground. Why not? She will beat him regardless. He is very scared, and he should be. He is losing the plot, getting more senile, incoherent, and wierd by the day, plus he is very, very old. 

 

On top of that, he is so lacking in creativity and intelligence. He is a broken record. Same thing every speech. Except when he rambles about sharks, and Hannibal. That is actually his idea of a joke. Nobody laughs. He is so narcissistic, he does not even know when he is not funny, which he never is, as he does not have the capacity, or creative juice for humor. 

 

Harris/Walz is a formidable ticket. I predict a victory by at least 11 million votes, and a 20 delegate margin. Then, time for Trump to disappear into humiliation and disgrace. And take his toxic family with him. He will become irrelevant after his second defeat. 

 

Sadly it's the one they replace him with which is the real worry. Project 2025 becomes project 2029.

 

Harris/Walz'll have to have a solid record by then.

Edited August 7 by BusyB

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

Part of it, absolutely. He's quite annoyed with ABC, and he MAY get a nice settlement of out of them. Otherwise, he'd never agreed to debate her anyway, esp. not under Biden's sweetheart deal w/ no negotiation. OF COURSE she'd like the same deal w/ liberal hack moderators.

 

So if he's going to debate, he has a perfect right to negotiate a new deal, and he definitely should.

 

<SNIP! Off-topic ranting>

 

Oh yes, I'm SURE he's going to get a nice big settlement for a journalist starting facts about a presidential candidate! I mean, look at all the court cases he has won doing just that... 

 

But I won't rant further since I am such a big fan of both Big Star and Alex Chilton's solo work. Man was a genius and gone far too soon. 

[retarius]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

Trumps scared he needs to debate her.he knows it and I Suspect he knows what the result will be that’s why he’s trying to move the goal posts.

As I have said before. When Trump wanted to debate Biden he accepted lots of things that he would not have done like no audience. He has used this time getting the 'no questions beforehand' squared away, a big audience, friendly pro-Trump moderators. He signed up for ABC and CNN to debate Biden because he knew he would crush Biden. Kamala is an unknown quantity (I don't remember her from 2020 and she has not exactly been front and centre in the VP role) so why not get the debate terms he wants. Harris wants the debate more than Trump does. 

[Purdey]

Why did he choose an entertainment company to arrange a debate? Why not Saturday Night Live?

[BigStar]

40 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Oh yes, I'm SURE he's going to get a nice big settlement for a journalist starting facts about a presidential candidate!

 

ABC argued for dismissal in court, but the judge decided the evidence in Trump's favor was sufficiently compelling that the suit could proceed. The political pundit pretending to be a journalist wasn't just stating fact but arguably engaging in libel.

 

ABC has deep pockets, so if he wins, the settlement could be pretty nice. Trump doesn't always win in court, but he certainly does at times. Jack Smith--whoops.

 

So, you'll just have to suck that up and wait and see. Doesn't matter what you think you're SURE of. Impresses no one. In fact, you've merely increased Trump's chances, as ANF Poster predictions are excellent inverse indicators.

 

Edited August 7 by BigStar

[placnx]

9 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Trump's suing ABC and George Stephanopoulos and his lawsuit has been given permission to proceed. Thus ABC and he have a conflict of interest. Have the debate moderated by the org you're suing? I don't think so!

 

Trump agreed to easy terms to get Biden out of his basement and give him false hope he could win on his terms w/ the fake news moderators behind him. Worked. No such need with Harris. Being on stage with Trump would elevate Harris and be to her advantage, until she's shredded. He has the right to negotiate terms this time.

 

Negotiate, yes. Dictate, no. If biased Fox News were the venu, there should be two meter at the bottom of the screen, not controlled by Fox News, but by a reputable centrist media monitor. One meter is the truth meter, the other one regards the questions, whether they are bona fide or biased.

[placnx]

6 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

1: The previous debate (both Biden and Trump were presumptive candidates) was run by CNN not ABC.

 

2: Both debates were the subject of considerable negotiation. It must have been known that the first debate would be between the presumptive candidates, and very obviously the second between the actual selected candidates. By definition the presumptive candidate is not necessarily the actual candidate. In this case the Democrat candidate has changed.

 

The agreed moderation specifically does not allow for one candidate to "shout over" another, and it is intended to improve factual accuracy. Since it is very much Donald Trump's style to lie and browbeat his opponents, it will be very much in his interest to affect a change in debate hosts, and in particular to one (Fox News) which is frankly less likely to reign in Trump.

 

The essentials of the agreed debate have not changed - the actual candidates and the agreed conditions. Trump is merely trying to change the rules, to his advantage.

The choice of Fox News would lead to questions tailored to Trump's diatribes. His lies need real time fact checking (as I proposed in an earlier response).

[BigStar]

17 minutes ago, placnx said:

Negotiate, yes. Dictate, no.

 

He has the right to dictate if he wishes, just as she has the right to reject any terms demanded. Biden dictated terms for his disastrous debate. With typical liberal hypocrisy, you loved the idea if Biden does it.

 

However, if you knew anything about negotiation, you'd know that you start with a big seemingly non-negotiable demand and negotiate from there. Hamas knows that. The goal is to get the most out of the other party as you possibly can. So what you're looking at is an opening gambit.

 

17 minutes ago, placnx said:

there should be two meter at the bottom of the screen, not controlled by Fox News, but by a reputable centrist media monitor. One meter is the truth meter, the other one regards the questions, whether they are bona fide or biased.

 

Laughable. 

 

Edited August 7 by BigStar

[BigStar]

10 minutes ago, placnx said:

The choice of Fox News would lead to questions tailored to Trump's diatribes.

 

Nonsense, just as it didn't last time Fox moderated.

 

11 minutes ago, placnx said:

His lies need real time fact checking (as I proposed in an earlier response).

 

Actually Kamala's do. But so-called "fact checking" turns out to be just political argument, so pointless. Let people judge for themselves.

 

 

[Tug]

2 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Nonsense, just as it didn't last time Fox moderated.

 

 

Actually Kamala's do. But so-called "fact checking" turns out to be just political argument, so pointless. Let people judge for themselves.

 

 

People are judging for themselves big time especially the 50% that trump disenfranchised and the other 50% as well lmao 🤣 trumps in deep do do he will lie blubber dodge and snivel anything to avoid a real debate.someone in an earlier post mentioned trump shredded Biden that’s nonsense Biden’s age shredded him .trump just repeated his oft repeated lies.Furthermore Joe Biden realized this and in a brilliant master stroke passed the torch to an able proponent of democracy with the campaign machine intact.lt is what it is folks are sick and tired of trumps scandals and lies ditch the albatross enough!!

[Roo Island]

9 hours ago, novacova said:

Harris is terrified of taking any questions from the media and too cowardly to debate outside of a controlled safe zone 

Absolutely bs. Why waste your time debating a habitual liar. She's in the lead anyway. Just cruise to victory.

[BigStar]

43 minutes ago, Tug said:

Joe Biden realized this and in a brilliant master stroke passed the torch to an able proponent of democracy with the campaign machine intact

 

Delusional. Forced out, suddenly, undemocratically, by Pelosi, Obama, Schumer, donors, etc. Possibly threatened w/ the 25th Amendment. DNC undemocratically installed Harris w/o a primary debate or election. Nor is Harris a proponent of democracy, open to the idea of abolishing the Electoral College, and a supporter of gov't by Executive Orders. A creature of the machine, quite true.

 

Nor are people tired of Trump, but he was mostly in the lead until the honeymoon, and still does well in swing states. That's cause people are tired of the bad economy, open borders, crime, DEI, and perpetual warfare under Biden and soon Biden 2.0. 

 

I lead the topic to your usual rantings.

 

[candide]

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Delusional. Forced out, suddenly, undemocratically, by Pelosi, Obama, Schumer, donors, etc. Possibly threatened w/ the 25th Amendment. DNC undemocratically installed Harris w/o a primary debate or election. Nor is Harris a proponent of democracy, open to the idea of abolishing the Electoral College, and a supporter of gov't by Executive Orders. A creature of the machine, quite true.

 

Nor are people tired of Trump, but he was mostly in the lead until the honeymoon, and still does well in swing states. That's cause people are tired of the bad economy, open borders, crime, DEI, and perpetual warfare under Biden and soon Biden 2.0. 

 

I lead the topic to your usual rantings.

 

It's changing in swing States, too.

https://www.racetothewh.com/president/polls#google_vignette

[BigStar]

27 minutes ago, candide said:

It's changing in swing States, too.

https://www.racetothewh.com/president/polls#google_vignette

 

 

I've already had the "my poll's better'n your poll" discussion and won't be going there again.

[novacova]

1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

Absolutely bs. Why waste your time debating a habitual liar. She's in the lead anyway. Just cruise to victory.

In the lead? And just where are you getting that information from? What is the propaganda source? 5-5…5

[novacova]

3 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

I've already had the "my poll's better'n your poll" discussion and won't be going there again.

Polls are skewed and flawed whether for or against. It a fractioning game perpetrated by the media and politicians on either side. It’s quite comical watching folks getting jerked around and led by all the noise.

[BangkokReady]

Of course she's scared.  She can't risk not having the home team advantage...

[candide]

27 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

I've already had the "my poll's better'n your poll" discussion and won't be going there again.

It's an aggregator, not a single poll.

And up to one week ago, it was showing Trump ahead.