Billy Eilish's "Birds of a Feather" - is it better than anything by the Beatles?

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea, you have no idea how strong she is. Keep showing your ignorance

 

She's been molly cuddled all her life by her parents. Her mother still shields her and tells her when to go to bed, her daddy does all the DIY for her. To this day. Her brother writes her music with her.

 

She's an interesting and original artist, but only thanks to a massive support system she clearly depends on. She does not seem like a strong character.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

She's been molly cuddled all her life by her parents. Her mother still shields her and tells her when to go to bed, her daddy does all the DIY for her. To this day. Her brother writes her music with her.

 

She's an interesting and original artist, but only thanks to a massive support system she clearly depends on. She does not seem like a strong character.

 

I did warn you about your ignorance on her..........

 

Her tunes are co written with her brother by the way......

 

[Cameroni]

As always, you are wrong.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Cameroni said:

As always, you are wrong.

 

 

Wrong about what? You keep saying this..........

[paulikens]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:27 PM, Cameroni said:

Birds of a Feather is  undoubtedly the best song that came out this year. The song manages to sound upbeat and sad at the same time, every word is crafted to perfection and the harmonies, what can one say, genius.

 

Have the Beatles written anything that can compare with this masterpiece by Billy Eilish?

I see what you've done here..... Trying to provoke a reaction by posting something you truly don't believe or you're just being very sarcastic.  Bravo

[Cameroni]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wrong about what? You keep saying this..........

 

Watch the video. She's in a protective bubble.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Watch the video. She's in a protective bubble.

You claimed I'm wrong, about what?

[Will B Good]

On 9/27/2024 at 7:27 PM, Cameroni said:

Birds of a Feather is  undoubtedly the best song that came out this year. The song manages to sound upbeat and sad at the same time, every word is crafted to perfection and the harmonies, what can one say, genius.

 

Have the Beatles written anything that can compare with this masterpiece by Billy Eilish?

 

 

 

Yes.....but how many relationships has she had????.....that is much more salient now she has come out in support of KH

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

35 minutes ago, paulikens said:

I see what you've done here..... Trying to provoke a reaction by posting something you truly don't believe or you're just being very sarcastic.  Bravo

 

If a song that is a work of genius, and history making signficance, then we must share this sublime experience. We cannot keep it to ourselves.

 

That would just be selfish.

[Cameroni]

23 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

 

Yes.....but how many relationships has she had????.....that is much more salient now she has come out in support of KH

 

 

 

 

Don't worry, despite much talk of bisexuality and other David Bowie like perversions, actually Billie has only had 4 partners. Compared to Taylor Swift she's very restrained.

 

Though looking at her line up it's a sorry sight, you couldn't accuse her of promiscuity. Perversion maybe. But not promiscuity.

[Old Croc]

I have liked Eilish from her start and think most of her work is brilliant. Much of that comes from her brother who writes (co-writes) the songs and is a genius producer. Of course, he has the advantage of being able to use modern digital technology not available 60 years ago. 

Bands like the Beatles and The Beachboys invented and revolutionized how music was produced. 

10 Beatles Innovations that Changed Music - Listverse

 

This song's theme is taken from a very old saying and is at least the third I know of with the same "Birds of a Feather" title. Hardly original and not comparable to most of the Beatles groundbreaking work.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Don't worry, despite much talk of bisexuality and other David Bowie like perversions, actually Billie has only had 4 partners. Compared to Taylor Swift she's very restrained.

 

Though looking at her line up it's a sorry sight, you couldn't accuse her of promiscuity. Perversion maybe. But not promiscuity.

 

 

Woooooow......you said anyone with more than two previous relationships was a slapper???

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

13 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Woooooow......you said anyone with more than two previous relationships was a slapper???

 

 

 

 

Well, to be fair 4 is pushing the envelope, I wouldn't go for it, but one has to be reasonable, objectively Billy is not a promiscous lass.

 

Which is actually remarkable given the temptations she must face day in out. However, she comes form a very loving and intact family. 

 

In a way she's the prototype of family values, so it's hard to explain how she turned out. Must be LA.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, to be fair 4 is pushing the envelope, I wouldn't go for it, but one has to be rasonable, objectively Billy is not a promiscous lass.

 

Which is actually remarkable given the temptations she must face day in out. However, she comes form a very loving and intact family. 

 

In a way she's the prototype of family values, so it's hard to explain how she turned out. Must be LA.

 

 

Billie has spoken in interviews about preferring to keep her personal life away from the spotlight when possible.

 

I bet she has....slapper.

 

And now a...... "vote for Harris your life depends on it" fan.......not happy with her.

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I have liked Eilish from her start and think most of her work is brilliant. Much of that comes from her brother who writes (co-writes) the songs and is a genius producer. Of course, he has the advantage of being able to use modern digital technology not available 60 years ago. 

Bands like the Beatles and The Beachboys invented and revolutionized how music was produced. 

10 Beatles Innovations that Changed Music - Listverse

 

This song's theme is taken from a very old saying and is at least the third I know of with the same "Birds of a Feather" title. Hardly original and not comparable to most of the Beatles groundbreaking work.

 

I quite agree, Eilish is brilliant. She also has a distinctive style. Undoubtedly much is down to the input from her brother who is clearly an excellent song writer.

 

The innovations on that list are not really innovations in Music btw. The Beachboys were more revolutionary musically speaking. Brian Wilson was a musical genius far above Lennon or McCartney. Even  now, his Love and Mercy is breathtaking.

 

I must quibble with one slight aspect, if I may, though, actually whilst it's true the title Birds of a Feather was used before I think Finneas and Billy were aware of this. The whole intention of the song appears to be to accept the challenge of taking tired cliches and breathing life into them, witness also the "love you til I die" clichee which Finneas and Billy brilliantly bring to life by taking it rather more seriously than is usually the case. In that sense the song is original and the harmonies are far more ground breaking than anything the Beatles ever produced. Though to be fair in terms of harmonies the Beatles were not very good usually.

[Cameroni]

6 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Billie has spoken in interviews about preferring to keep her personal life away from the spotlight when possible.

 

I bet she has....slapper.

 

And now a...... "vote for Harris your life depends on it" fan.......not happy with her.

 

 

 

 

She's highly intelligent, for a woman, and clearly not adverse to experiment, she would probably be a very entertaining bed mate, though I would respectfully disagree she is promiscous. I trust Elle on this.

 

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a60864169/billie-eilish-dating-history-explained/

[Will B Good]

Just now, Cameroni said:

She's highly intelligent, for a woman,

 

 

OMG................ I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WROTE THAT.

[Cameroni]

6 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

OMG................ I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WROTE THAT.

 

What, she's not really a man, is she?

 

 

[KannikaP]

On 9/27/2024 at 8:01 PM, Cameroni said:

 

That's how I felt when I heard this masterpiece by Billy Eilish.

 

There's a lot of talk about how today's music is awful, but this song, the harmonies, the crafted lyrics, the meaning...this is on a par with anything by the Beatles surely?

Anything?  Maybe some of The Bs songs were a bit naff, but generally they were all pretty good.

[Cameroni]

8 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Anything?  Maybe some of The Bs songs were a bit naff, but generally they were all pretty good.

 

Well, what Beatles song would you say is better than Birds of a Feather?

[KannikaP]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, what Beatles song would you say is better than Birds of a Feather?

Where shall I start. Off first album (P P Me) Ask Me Why,

2nd album (With the Bs)All My Lovin',

3rd album (H D N)And I Love Her,

4th (For Sale) I'll Follow the Sun,

5th (Help!)It's Only Love or Yesterday,

6th (Rubber Soul) Michelle, In My Life,

7th (Revolver ) Eleanor Rigby, Here There Everywhere, For No One,

8th ( Sgt P) She's Leaving Home, Day in the Life,

9th (M M Tour) Fool on the Hill, Penny Lane, All You Need is Love,

10th (White) Blackbird, I Will, Julia, Guitar Weeps, Helter Skelter, Good Night,

11th (Yellow Sub) Only a Northern Song, Love You Too,

12th (Abbey Road) Something, Here Comes the Sun, Because, Golden Slumbers, You Never Give me Money,

13th (Let it Be), Let it Be, Long & Winding Rd, Get Back,

Singles, All of Them! 

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Where shall I start. Off first album (P P Me) Ask Me Why,

2nd album (With the Bs)All My Lovin',

3rd album (H D N)And I Love Her,

4th (For Sale) I'll Follow the Sun,

5th (Help!)It's Only Love or Yesterday,

6th (Rubber Soul) Michelle, In My Life,

7th (Revolver ) Eleanor Rigby, Here There Everywhere, For No One,

8th ( Sgt P) She's Leaving Home, Day in the Life,

9th (M M Tour) Fool on the Hill, Penny Lane, All You Need is Love,

10th (White) Blackbird, I Will, Julia, Guitar Weeps, Helter Skelter, Good Night,

11th (Yellow Sub) Only a Northern Song, Love You Too,

12th (Abbey Road) Something, Here Comes the Sun, Because, Golden Slumbers, You Never Give me Money,

13th (Let it Be), Let it Be, Long & Winding Rd, Get Back,

Singles, All of Them! 

 

I would say Let it Be is the stand out on that list, but only if Ray Charles sings it.

 

Yesterday a clear number two.

 

And I love her number three.

 

long and winding road, something, elanor rigby, it's only love could also be considered.

 

Michelle is really bad imho

 

But good effort.

[KannikaP]

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I would say Let it Be is the stand out on that list, but only if Ray Charles sings it.

 

Yesterday a clear number two.

 

And I love her number three.

 

long and winding road, something, elanor rigby, it's only love could also be considered.

 

Michelle is really bad imho

 

But good effort.

NB. Apart from Something, all Macca songs.

Michelle has a great jazzy guitar solo, and vocal harmonies nicked from the Beach Boys, who better. Written by Macca when he was 16.

[Hummin]

On 9/28/2024 at 4:22 AM, KannikaP said:

Each to their own. I personally prefer The Beach Boys for their (Brian's) musical ability, although they all shone later on. 

And then we have Abba, the Carpenters, etc, all brilliant.

There is many more I could have mentionend through my time, especially when younger, but Pink Floyd at age 12 got me places I never had been before, both the tunes and the lyrics. But again, so many to mention, so I will not start. There where a few before as well, especially Jumping Jack Flash with Rolling Stones the very first one track I remember in English, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Jimmi Hendrix, and so many more, but at 12 I discovered Pink Floyd, and that changed my music taste totally. 

 

Next big new realation for me was KLF and Faitless with electronic, acid house, techno, hip hop, later I  came more in to Pop, Jazz, 

 

Music to me memories of people, girl friends, travels, places,  death of friends and I can go back in time just listening at songs. 

 

First time I heard Faitless and Insomnie, I remember the whole eveing what happenend. Great memories

 

 

[KannikaP]

16 hours ago, KannikaP said:

NB. Apart from Something, all Macca songs.

Sorry, Here Comes the Sun was one of George's as well. 

[paulikens]

23 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

If a song that is a work of genius, and history making signficance, then we must share this sublime experience. We cannot keep it to ourselves.

 

That would just be selfish.

Now i know you're taking the p***. .   I like it.  I love sarcasm.

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Sorry, Here Comes the Sun was one of George's as well. 

 

George is very undderrated.  Something is a very touching song.

[Old Croc]

On 9/29/2024 at 12:22 PM, Cameroni said:

 

I quite agree, Eilish is brilliant. She also has a distinctive style. Undoubtedly much is down to the input from her brother who is clearly an excellent song writer.

 

The innovations on that list are not really innovations in Music btw. The Beachboys were more revolutionary musically speaking. Brian Wilson was a musical genius far above Lennon or McCartney. Even  now, his Love and Mercy is breathtaking.

 

I must quibble with one slight aspect, if I may, though, actually whilst it's true the title Birds of a Feather was used before I think Finneas and Billy were aware of this. The whole intention of the song appears to be to accept the challenge of taking tired cliches and breathing life into them, witness also the "love you til I die" clichee which Finneas and Billy brilliantly bring to life by taking it rather more seriously than is usually the case. In that sense the song is original and the harmonies are far more ground breaking than anything the Beatles ever produced. Though to be fair in terms of harmonies the Beatles were not very good usually.

You just don't get it!

Sixty plus years ago, before the Beatles, popular music was dominated by America and was mainly about R & R and Blues. 

Lyrically, this music was in a phase of Do wah diddy diddy, dum diddy Do, Leader of the Pack and Tutti Frutti.  Music was more about dance, volume and beat.

 

The Beatles took the world on a Helter Skelter, Magical Mystery Tour in a Yellow Submarine through Lucy's Diamond Skies. Sgt Pepper came along with his band in case they needed Help with the Fool on The Hill and his Money.

Nobody had ever written lyrics that told such fantastic tales before, and it was accompanied by groundbreaking harmonies, musical devices and sounds. They started the Revolution that took music lyrics away from simplistic love themes into a world of storytelling.

Eilish and her brother may have written a better love lyric in your eyes, but they haven't reinvented the whole music industry and changed it forever to a higher plane. The Beatles did.

Music these days is very focused on lyrics and of course some weave fantastic stories of modern life. However, one recent song with a lyric that touches one soppy poster on social media doesn't override the Beatles genius and legacy in music.

 

Incidentally, I consider "What Was I Made For" to be a better Eilish song. 

 

[Cameroni]

31 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

You just don't get it!

Sixty plus years ago, before the Beatles, popular music was dominated by America and was mainly about R & R and Blues. 

Lyrically, this music was in a phase of Do wah diddy diddy, dum diddy Do, Leader of the Pack and Tutti Frutti.  Music was more about dance, volume and beat.

 

The Beatles took the world on a Helter Skelter, Magical Mystery Tour in a Yellow Submarine through Lucy's Diamond Skies. Sgt Pepper came along with his band in case they needed Help with the Fool on The Hill and his Money.

Nobody had ever written lyrics that told such fantastic tales before, and it was accompanied by groundbreaking harmonies, musical devices and sounds. They started the Revolution that took music lyrics away from simplistic love themes into a world of storytelling.

Eilish and her brother may have written a better love lyric in your eyes, but they haven't reinvented the whole music industry and changed it forever to a higher plane. The Beatles did.

Music these days is very focused on lyrics and of course some weave fantastic stories of modern life. However, one recent song with a lyric that touches one soppy poster on social media doesn't override the Beatles genius and legacy in music.

 

Incidentally, I consider "What Was I Made For" to be a better Eilish song. 

 

 

That's just not true though, the Americans themselves had made the transition from Do wah diddy to Rock'n Roll, they didn't need the Beatles or the Brits for this. Indeed, it was the Beatles who listed to Rock'n Roll and then simply proceeded to ape it, to the extent of affecting American accidents. Only later did they evolve from the stage of copying American rock'n roll.

 

The lyrical journey of the Beatles you have a point, and the years and consistency of output of course preclude a comparison with new acts.

 

But which Beatles lyrics would you cite as a particular example of genius?

 

I don't much care for "What Was I Made For", tepid and tedious for the most part. No harmonies like in Birds  of a Feather.