JD Vance Faces Pivotal Moment in Vice Presidential Debate

[Social Media]

 

Ohio Senator JD Vance is approaching a critical moment in his political career as he prepares to debate Minnesota Governor Tim Walz in the vice-presidential face-off next week. The first-term senator, often regarded as a potential future leader of the MAGA movement, will step onto the debate stage amid poor polling numbers and increasing scrutiny over his controversial statements and positions. For Vance, this debate could determine whether he strengthens his political standing or further alienates voters, as he seeks to establish himself as a leading figure in the post-Trump era.

 

Tammy Vigil, a professor of media science at Boston University, said that for Vance, this debate might be a make-or-break moment. “Vance has been in the news so much, for a lot of not-always-positive things,” Vigil said. “He has an opportunity here to either try to change the narrative or reinforce the narrative.”

 

Vance’s political journey began with his memoir *Hillbilly Elegy*, which chronicled his experiences growing up in Appalachia, surrounded by poverty and addiction. A former Marine and venture capitalist, Vance initially criticized Donald Trump but later embraced the former president’s America First agenda. With Trump’s endorsement, Vance won his Senate seat by defeating Democratic challenger Tim Ryan. Since then, he has become one of the most prominent figures in the America First movement. He has also admitted that his past criticism of Trump was misguided, a position Trump himself has accepted, calling Vance a loyal ally.

 

However, Vance’s association with Trump, while boosting his profile, has not insulated him from criticism within his own party. His foreign policy views and lack of political experience have raised doubts among some Republicans, particularly as Trump’s campaign progresses toward the 2024 election. Should Trump lose, he has said he will not run again, positioning Vance as a potential frontrunner for 2028. Yet, current polling presents challenges for Vance, with both he and Trump underwater in favorability ratings. Aggregated polls from The Hill and Decision Desk HQ reveal Vance has a net favorability of -11, with 49 percent of voters viewing him unfavorably.

 

“Vance, at least if you look at the polls, is one of the singularly most unpopular vice presidential candidates around,” said Leonard Steinhorn, a professor of public communication at American University. Whether Vance can shift public opinion during the debate “will depend on A) his demeanor, and B) how well he makes his case, how well he sort of sands the edges of some of the things that he’s been saying,” Steinhorn noted.

 

Among Vance’s most criticized remarks are his previous critiques of Trump and inflammatory comments aimed at Democrats. He faced recent backlash for amplifying a false claim about Haitian migrants and drawing criticism from pop star Taylor Swift for calling out “childless cat ladies,” a comment he defended as sarcastic.

 

While Vance grapples with these issues, his Democratic opponent, Tim Walz, faces his own challenges. Walz, relatively unknown on the national stage, went viral this summer for his humorous critiques of the Trump-Vance ticket. Still, he must introduce himself to a broader audience while contending with attacks from the right about his progressive record and how he has represented his military service. Democratic strategist Steven Maviglio pointed out that, although Walz also faces hurdles, Vance is “more defined, and unfavorably” than his rival.

 

Political analysts agree that the debate could have significant implications for Vance’s future. “In addition to some of Vance’s controversial comments on the trail or in interviews … Vance may have to clean up some of Trump’s comments from the debate,” said Aaron Kall, director of debate at the University of Michigan. Kall noted that Vance’s performance could be crucial as he seeks to present himself as a contender for leadership within the MAGA movement.

 

As Vance prepares for this pivotal moment, the stakes are higher than usual in a race where both Trump and Vice President Harris are closely matched in battleground states. With national polls showing a narrow lead for Harris, the Vance-Walz debate may offer a final opportunity for both campaigns to sway voters, particularly with the likelihood of a second presidential debate appearing slim.

 

The debate will air at 9 p.m. Tuesday Eastern on CBS News, moderated by Norah O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan.

 

Based on a report from: The Hill 2024-09-30

 

 

 

[Tug]

I hope walz wipes the floor with that lying two faced opertunist get her done coach!

[Jingthing]

Vance will do better than Trump did against Harris.

Walz is not a prosecutor and Vance has developed into quite the artiste in the field of bullsheit (sic). 

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Vance will do better than Trump did against Harris.

Walz is not a prosecutor and Vance has developed into quite the artiste in the field of bullsheit (sic). 

Perhaps so in the bs department,I’d be delighted if he gets fact checked real time!

[Chomper Higgot]

Pinned in my calendar, I’m very much looking forward to this showdown.

 

I wonder which version of 

himself  JD (ten names) Vance will bring along?

 

His catalog of lies, U-Turns and vacillations are going to offer Walz some rich pickings.

 

 

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Perhaps so in the bs department,I’d be delighted if he gets fact checked real time!

 

Of course he will be fact checked.

 

Walz? Not so much. 

 

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cbs-news-media-bias

 

 

[Hanaguma]

It will be interesting. Vance is the trained lawyer in this contest, also the younger by nearly 20 years.  Walz is a very good speaker, he does well at rallies and events. But....

 

Vance has been sparring with hostile media for weeks now. He is the one candidate of the four that has made the most appearances and done the most interviews. He is used to being targeted by biased journalists. Walz? Has he actually done any solo interviews? Honestly I can't recall. He might be a bit rusty.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Vance has been sparring with hostile media for weeks now

What?

 

He’s been given a pass and softball questions by the rightwing media he frequents.

[mfd101]

Not sure a rational person would want either of them as surrogate Pres.

 

But then this is Usofa. One might be tempted to think the same of the 2 principals. Well, one in particular beginning with D for damnation ...

[Will B Good]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Perhaps so in the bs department,I’d be delighted if he gets fact checked real time!

 

 

Fact checking doesn't count anymore.....remember how he set the scene last week? .....he is entitled to make up anything he wants in a bid to get his version of the truth over to the electorate......so facts are just little bit hitty missy affairs.....nothing to get stressy over.

 

 

[thaipo7]

8 hours ago, Tug said:

I hope walz wipes the floor with that lying two faced opertunist get her done coach!

I see a world of difference between these two guy.  Walz can't compare in any way to Vance other than being a liar and a Marxist.  If the people want Marxism for themselves and children, then Harris/Walz fit the bill.  If you are tired of the last 4 years and saw that you were better off 4 years ago and still want what freedoms that are left, then this choice is clear.  Freedoms vs Marxism.   Bottom line.  So many uneducated people out there thanks to the Leftist dumbing down America the last 40 years.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, thaipo7 said:

I see a world of difference between these two guy.  Walz can't compare in any way to Vance other than being a liar and a Marxist.  If the people want Marxism for themselves and children, then Harris/Walz fit the bill.  If you are tired of the last 4 years and saw that you were better off 4 years ago and still want what freedoms that are left, then this choice is clear.  Freedoms vs Marxism.   Bottom line.  So many uneducated people out there thanks to the Leftist dumbing down America the last 40 years.

 

 

Do you even know what Marxism is?

 

 

[John Drake]

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Tim Walz, faces his own challenges. Walz, relatively unknown on the national stage, went viral this summer for his humorous critiques of the Trump-Vance ticket. Still, he must introduce himself to a broader audience while contending with attacks from the right about his progressive record and how he has represented his military service.

 

Should read "how he (Walz) has misrepresented his military service."

[MalcolmB]

8 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

So many uneducated people out there

They are stark raving mad over there.

They believe anything. 
Only in the USA could WWE be so popular.

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Perhaps so in the bs department,I’d be delighted if he gets fact checked real time!

Harris wasn't fact checked. But different rules for conservative thinking. Right???

[herfiehandbag]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Harris wasn't fact checked. But different rules for conservative thinking. Right???

Harris wasn't fact checked, because she didn't spout a tissue of lies ...

[Thingamabob]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

I hope walz wipes the floor with that lying two faced opertunist get her done coach!

Opportunist ?

[scorecard]

13 hours ago, Tug said:

I hope walz wipes the floor with that lying two faced opertunist get her done coach!

Agree and that in turn will create a negative against trump. Good news. 

[Tug]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Harris wasn't fact checked. But different rules for conservative thinking. Right???

Trump outright lied 22 times during the debate he was called out twice once for the lie of murdering full term infants and the second for his frothing at the mouth level racist lie about the legal immigrants eating pets.harris during the debate got one factual thing wrong about the # unemployed during the Covid scourge.those are the facts not that it matters to trump supporters.

[EVENKEEL]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Trump outright lied 22 times during the debate he was called out twice once for the lie of murdering full term infants and the second for his frothing at the mouth level racist lie about the legal immigrants eating pets.harris during the debate got one factual thing wrong about the # unemployed during the Covid scourge.those are the facts not that it matters to trump supporters.

So, you're OK with harris spewing the same old tired lies about Trump saying "Blood Bath"  the tiresome tiki torch routine with good people on both sides. These are lies which the liberals spew at will. Just red meat for the uninformed democrats.

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, you're OK with harris spewing the same old tired lies about Trump saying "Blood Bath"  the tiresome tiki torch routine with good people on both sides. These are lies which the liberals spew at will. Just red meat for the uninformed democrats.

Ahhh we all saw that fiasco remember?do you remember general Kelley’s face plant?the palm to the forehead when trump uttered that vomit?or how’s about when he threw us under the bus in helinsky??there are many more examples.look having a disagreement about policy is healthy harboring the idea that trump is a good candidate for potus isn't it’s straight up dangerous.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Ahhh we all saw that fiasco remember?do you remember general Kelley’s face plant?the palm to the forehead when trump uttered that vomit?or how’s about when he threw us under the bus in helinsky??there are many more examples.look having a disagreement about policy is healthy harboring the idea that trump is a good candidate for potus isn't it’s straight up dangerous.

So, democrats are allowed to lie their asses off because they think it's for the greater good. 

[Tug]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

So, democrats are allowed to lie their asses off because they think it's for the greater good. 

I’m not sure what your trying to conflate if you’re more specific I might bite 

[Danderman123]

Vance will do okay. He will be a talking points machine, and not react to anything Walz says.

 

Only an idiot would allow themselves to be baited in a debate. You know, like Trump did in his debate.

[Hanaguma]

17 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ahhh we all saw that fiasco remember?do you remember general Kelley’s face plant?the palm to the forehead when trump uttered that vomit?or how’s about when he threw us under the bus in helinsky??there are many more examples.look having a disagreement about policy is healthy harboring the idea that trump is a good candidate for potus isn't it’s straight up dangerous.

Trump has already proven that he isnt dangerous as POTUS. He presided over a very very good economy, brought peace to the Middle East, and was able to reduce the number of illegals crossing the southern border.  

 

Harris has only proven her incompetence. She has failed at everything Biden gave her to do. She is even failing to maintain support of non-white voters.   

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Vance will do okay. He will be a talking points machine, and not react to anything Walz says.

 

Only an idiot would allow themselves to be baited in a debate. You know, like Trump did in his debate.

I think you are right. Vance is by far the sharpest of the 4 at the top of both tickets.  Walz' image of 'trucker Tim' won't come across very well in a debate format.  He also looks much older than his age, so it is hard for him to push the mantra of "new ideas" that Harris is trying to peddle. 

[Tug]

12 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump has already proven that he isnt dangerous as POTUS. He presided over a very very good economy, brought peace to the Middle East, and was able to reduce the number of illegals crossing the southern border.  

 

Harris has only proven her incompetence. She has failed at everything Biden gave her to do. She is even failing to maintain support of non-white voters.   

Trump surrendered whenever possible rember his bestie little Kim?still cranking out those nukes then there’s his other pal putin giving them the tec to deliver them….trump doesn’t fool me and I suspect you either.he gave us the greatest debt incurred during any presidency in 4 horrific years he presided over the largest jobs loss in our history he was utterly derelict in preparing for the pandemic costing tens of thousands of American lives.no sir he is an albatross and I question why you as a foreigner seem to be such a cheerleader for him

Edited October 1 by Tug

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump surrendered whenever possible rember his bestie little Kim?still cranking out those nukes then there’s his other pal putin giving them the tec to deliver them….trump doesn’t fool me and I suspect you either.he gave us the greatest debt incurred during any presidency in 4 horrific years he presided over the largest jobs loss in our history he was utterly derelict in preparing for the pandemic costing tens of thousands of American lives.no sir he is an albatross and I question why you as a foreigner seem to be such a cheerleader for him

Ah yes, the xenophobia of the hysterical left coming out again. Good to see.

 

The economy under Trump was great until Covid. I agree that the shutdown of the country was a mistake, as was putting too much money into Covid relief afterwards. Biden has continued to overspend even though Covid is over.

 

 

[Cryingdick]

Now Walz is saying well golly shucks I am just a high school teacher, nobody I have ever taught has went to Yale or can pass standardized testing in math or science. You can pretend you are a Moron that uses cream of mushroom soup and hamburger helper for dinner, or you can pretend to be the VP, you cant do both.

 

He is basically asserting he is completely outclassed and thinks it is somehow to his credit. Who knows how it plays out but Walz is the definition of mental midget. 

 

But he took football back so there is that. LOL he is a walking cliche of outdated notions of what somebody from the Midwest is. He is particularly offensive to some of of from there that arent the simpletons he portrays us to be.

Edited October 1 by Cryingdick

[newnative]

      Total fraud.  How could anyone respect somebody who compares Trump to Hitler, calls Trump an 'idiot' and 'reprehensible', and then turns around and goes to work for him.   Talk about reprehensible behavior.  Total fraud. 

     Also reprehensible, passing himself off as growing up in a life of poverty and deprivation, when, in reality, his family was middle class.  At times, the family had a six-figure income.  What kind of a 'poor' child gets to take golf lessons, for heaven's sake?   When he proclaims, "I grew up poor.", it's a complete lie.   Total fraud.  

     His ability to tell bald-faced lies, and not just about himself, with, apparently, no moral compass, does put him in good stead with his Hitler wannabe Trump.  It also explains why Trump picked him.  Two lying birds of a feather.  Super scary if Dead Man Walking 78 year-old Trump gets elected and this lying total fraud is a heart beat away from the presidency.