Car recommendations

[scottiejohn]

42 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I wouldn’t be buying any ICE no matter what the price

Why?

[KhunLA]

35 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Why?

 

#1 ... performance, without even trying

Example:  MG ZS 0-100 kph

... ICE ~12 secs

... BEV ~8 secs

Not only quicker, but smoother & quieter

 

 

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

#1 ... performance, without even trying

Example:  MG ZS 0-100 kph

... ICE ~12 secs

... BEV ~8 secs

Not only quicker, but smoother & quieter

 

 

And more expensive, a lack of suitable/available charging points and (probably) just as bad for the environment when you take all the production and running costs into consideration.

 

[Yellowtail]

rut row

[KhunLA]

36 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

And more expensive, a lack of suitable/available charging points and (probably) just as bad for the environment when you take all the production and running costs into consideration.

 

 

False (relative), false & false 

 

Have a nice day

[scottiejohn]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

False (relative), false & false 

 

Have a nice day

So no factual answer!

[Yodarapper]

Oh man, it was a done deal and now you got me thinking….😱……I know someone who has just bought an MG VS…..and that made me think…..

 

does anyone know if they are good? Anyone own either the new MG VS or ZS?

 

I was set on the atto3 and had gotten past the uncertainty of resale value, gotten past the wall charger and convinced I could used one of the cheaper alternatives and just a wall socket and also convinced myself charging at anoetrol station wasn’t a problem even though I’ve looked more and there does seem to be a lot of cars doing it at the petrol station close to my home even saw some waiting…..

then a friend told me today they bought an MG VS for 699……

 

anyone own an MG?

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

Why?

 

Where to start, NVH (Noise Vibration & Harshness) which is what tires you on a long journey, 5 times more per km running cost,  performance, handling, 5 hours per year wasted at fuel stations, not being able to fill up at home, overly complicated with too many moving parts, increased fire risk (12 times, 130 times if Hybrid).

 

1 minute ago, Yodarapper said:

Oh man, it was a done deal and now you got me thinking….😱……I know someone who has just bought an MG VS…..and that made me think…..

 

does anyone know if they are good? Anyone own either the new MG VS or ZS?

 

I was set on the atto3 and had gotten past the uncertainty of resale value, gotten past the wall charger and convinced I could used one of the cheaper alternatives and just a wall socket and also convinced myself charging at anoetrol station wasn’t a problem even though I’ve looked more and there does seem to be a lot of cars doing it at the petrol station close to my home even saw some waiting…..

then a friend told me today they bought an MG VS for 699……

 

anyone own an MG?

 

We have an MG4, a superb car, but it wouldn't be buying an MG with an ICE engine.

 

@Yodarapper you've been all through this loop and chosen a superb car, the Atto is an excellent choice and perfect for you.

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

So no factual answer!

Better things to do than try to explain something to someone who wouldn't understand it.

 

Have a nice day

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

Oh man, it was a done deal and now you got me thinking….😱……I know someone who has just bought an MG VS…..and that made me think…..

 

does anyone know if they are good? Anyone own either the new MG VS or ZS?

 

I was set on the atto3 and had gotten past the uncertainty of resale value, gotten past the wall charger and convinced I could used one of the cheaper alternatives and just a wall socket and also convinced myself charging at anoetrol station wasn’t a problem even though I’ve looked more and there does seem to be a lot of cars doing it at the petrol station close to my home even saw some waiting…..

then a friend told me today they bought an MG VS for 699……

 

anyone own an MG?

Was also going to suggest the VS, as would give you the same performance as ZS EV (0-100 ~8 secs), along with much better fuel consumption, ~24 kpL vs ~14 kpl (ZS ICE)

 

More choices, so you need to prioritize, what matters most.

 

[scottiejohn]

16 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Better things to do than try to explain something to someone who wouldn't understand it.

 

Have a nice day

So that means you are unable to answer.  I will not hold my breath waiting for an erudite  response!

Good Day!

[vinny41]

42 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

Oh man, it was a done deal and now you got me thinking….😱……I know someone who has just bought an MG VS…..and that made me think…..

 

does anyone know if they are good? Anyone own either the new MG VS or ZS?

 

I was set on the atto3 and had gotten past the uncertainty of resale value, gotten past the wall charger and convinced I could used one of the cheaper alternatives and just a wall socket and also convinced myself charging at anoetrol station wasn’t a problem even though I’ve looked more and there does seem to be a lot of cars doing it at the petrol station close to my home even saw some waiting…..

then a friend told me today they bought an MG VS for 699……

 

anyone own an MG?

There should be little to no difference on the MG ZS  currently on sale today to the MG ZS that you have been driving for the past 2 years

[KhunLA]

22 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

So that means you are unable to answer.  I will not hold my breath waiting for an erudite  response!

Good Day!

Feel free to look through the 20k replies that I already replied to trolls with.  

 

Or ... Yea, you're correct, I overpaid for a POS BEV, that doesn't perform as good as the ICE version, and cost a lot more to operate and maintain, than the ICE version, while it destroys the planet and abusing them child laborers.  I apparently have more money than common sense.

 

You won the discussion, so have a beer, or a <deleted>, and use those tissues next to the keyboard.  ENJOY, glad I was here for you.  Have a victory smoke 

[Yodarapper]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

@Yodarapper I know you're leaning toward an EV now, but I just passed the MG dealer, and had their MG ZS (ICE) promo on display, and have to say, I'd be buying one at ฿559k.

 

Especially since you'll only be here for 3 ish year, I think said.  By then the price wars should be over, and even the EV govt incentives maybe, which means when reselling, should get a nice price.

 

No wall charger hassle.  No entertaining the kids at CS (charging station), as I think you work, so you'll be traveling O&A on weekends and long weekends, when everyone else is, so I'd expect Qs at the CS.

 

Since I'm one of the EV fanboys, that's saying quite a bit from me.

I don’t understand the part about end of price wars etc so should get good price, do you mean for the EV or for the MG?

[scottiejohn]

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Feel free to look through the 20k replies that I already replied to trolls with. 

Your boasting of having a large posting count does not have any significance to this, or any other thread!

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Your boasting of having a large posting count does not have any significance to this, or any other thread!

Boasting ... really ?

 

If that went over your head, you understand why I didn't try to explain anything to you, maybe.

 

BYE BYE

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Boasting ... really ?

 

If that went over your head, you understand why I didn't try to explain anything to you, maybe.

 

BYE BYE

What a sad and meaningless response!

Good Bye!

[KhunLA]

18 minutes ago, Yodarapper said:

I don’t understand the part about end of price wars etc so should get good price, do you mean for the EV or for the MG?

Actually everything.  Once the little war is over, and especially if the govt incentives end or aren't passed on the consumer, they'll all be raising their prices back to before the war.  EV will be selling for original MSRP, or close to.

 

With that, 2nd hand cars will be going up in price.

 

The insured value of our MG ZS EV when first purchased was based on MSRP, without incentive of 240k baht.   1.189M baht vs 949k baht (purchase price).  Insured value was 960k, 11k more than purchase price 

 

Same when we renewed the first year, just before the price war, and insured value again, was about same price of new ZS EV. 👍

 

Renewed couple months ago, and discount price of ZS EV (though never heard or read anyone actually buying one) was 599k, and new full price, was 829k, w/incentive.    New insured value, dropped to 590k.  Based on new price, with incentive now, depreciation now a bit more normal. about 15% a year.

 

If new ZS EV went back to original MSRP of 1M plus, and no incentives, then 2nd hand prices would also go up.   I would think.   That should be across the board, ICEV & EV, as now less completion, so ICEVs would also get a boost.  Our 2020 ZS (ICE) was 695k.

 

In theory ...   Incentives won't last forever, and they can't afford the price war for ever, as they can't be making much profit at these price.  Especially the ICEVs, as still getting hit with excise tax, which runs about 25% of the car value, before added on.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Actually everything.  Once the little war is over, and especially if the govt incentives end or aren't passed on the consumer, they'll all be raising their prices back to before the war.  EV will be selling for original MSRP, or close to.

 

With that, 2nd hand cars will be going up in price.

 

The insured value of our MG ZS EV when first purchased was based on MSRP, without incentive of 240k baht.   1.189M baht vs 949k baht (purchase price).  Insured value was 960k, 11k more than purchase price 

 

Same when we renewed the first year, just before the price war, and insured value again, was about same price of new ZS EV. 👍

 

Renewed couple months ago, and discount price of ZS EV (though never heard or read anyone actually buying one) was 599k, and new full price, was 829k, w/incentive.    New insured value, dropped to 590k.  Based on new price, with incentive now, depreciation now a bit more normal. about 15% a year.

 

If new ZS EV went back to original MSRP of 1M plus, and no incentives, then 2nd hand prices would also go up.   I would think.   That should be across the board, ICEV & EV, as now less completion, so ICEVs would also get a boost.  Our 2020 ZS (ICE) was 695k.

 

In theory ...   Incentives won't last forever, and they can't afford the price war for ever, as they can't be making much profit at these price.  Especially the ICEVs, as still getting hit with excise tax, which runs about 25% of the car value, before added on.

There are some brands that are selling In Thailand without subsidies as they haven't signed  the mou MOU to join the EV 3.5 import and production

Geely is one Chinese brand that hasn't signed 

Since GEELY Auto did not sign the MOU to join the EV 3.5 import and production compensation project, it did not receive a 100,000 baht discount per vehicle. The official price announcement will be held at Motor Expo 2024 on November 28, 2024 @ Challenger Hall 1-3, Muang Thong Thani.

https://autolifethailand.tv/geely-ex5-ev-bev-thailand-28nov-2024-thonburi/

The brands that did sign up are having a rethink and may withdraw from the EV 3.5 program which means they will have to build 1.5 cars  for every car imported into Thailand between 2022 until the period where they withdraw from the EV 3.5 program but wouldn't be required to build 1.5 cars in Thailand for every car sold after they withdraw from EV 3.5

“Many firms are mulling over ditching the subsidies.

https://thethaiger.com/news/business/thailand-ev-makers-reconsider-incentive-scheme-amid-market-slump

EV makers mull forgoing subsidies

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2915032/ev-makers-mull-forgoing-subsidies

I am not aware of any excise tax that is applied to ICEV made in Thailand yes there are various import taxes for all vehicles including BEV if they are imported into Thailand 

excise tax depends on value on the vehicle and engine size

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

There are some brands that are selling In Thailand without subsidies as they haven't signed  the mou MOU to join the EV 3.5 import and production

Geely is one Chinese brand that hasn't signed 

Since GEELY Auto did not sign the MOU to join the EV 3.5 import and production compensation project, it did not receive a 100,000 baht discount per vehicle. The official price announcement will be held at Motor Expo 2024 on November 28, 2024 @ Challenger Hall 1-3, Muang Thong Thani.

https://autolifethailand.tv/geely-ex5-ev-bev-thailand-28nov-2024-thonburi/

The brands that did sign up are having a rethink and may withdraw from the EV 3.5 program which means they will have to build 1.5 cars  for every car imported into Thailand between 2022 until the period where they withdraw from the EV 3.5 program but wouldn't be required to build 1.5 cars in Thailand for every car sold after they withdraw from EV 3.5

“Many firms are mulling over ditching the subsidies.

https://thethaiger.com/news/business/thailand-ev-makers-reconsider-incentive-scheme-amid-market-slump

EV makers mull forgoing subsidies

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2915032/ev-makers-mull-forgoing-subsidies
 

I wouldn't put too much stock in Thai news, especially Thaiger and BP ... IMHO

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I wouldn't put too much stock in Thai news, especially Thaiger and BP ... IMHO

same article in the Thai examiner

Chinese EV players in Thailand may opt out of subsidies as a difficult year ends. But there is optimism for electric cars

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/12/06/chinese-ev-players-in-thailand-may-opt-out-of-subsidies-as-a-difficult-year-ends-but-there-is-hope/

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

same article in the Thai examiner

Chinese EV players in Thailand may opt out of subsidies as a difficult year ends. But there is optimism for electric cars

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2024/12/06/chinese-ev-players-in-thailand-may-opt-out-of-subsidies-as-a-difficult-year-ends-but-there-is-hope/

They probably all report & quote the same source.   

 

They have to build the cars here, but no sure if they have to sell them here.   Sure the bean counters will run the numbers, as I don't think the Thai factory is just for domestic sales anyway.   The EV Hub thingy.

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

They probably all report & quote the same source.   

 

They have to build the cars here, but no sure if they have to sell them here.   Sure the bean counters will run the numbers, as I don't think the Thai factory is just for domestic sales anyway.   The EV Hub thingy.

 Chinese brands have recently been given permission to re-export any unsold EV's that have been imported

https://www.wapcar.my/news/too-many-bevs-not-enough-buyers-thailand-opts-for-reexport-solution-to-ease-glut-83154

Most FTA agreements including the ASEAN FTA have requirements that vehicle products must contain at least 40% local content not every EV built in Thailand meets that requirement so currently vehicles are for domestic market only

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 Chinese brands have recently been given permission to re-export any unsold EV's that have been imported

https://www.wapcar.my/news/too-many-bevs-not-enough-buyers-thailand-opts-for-reexport-solution-to-ease-glut-83154

Most FTA agreements including the ASEAN FTA have requirements that vehicle products must contain at least 40% local content not every EV built in Thailand meets that requirement so currently vehicles are for domestic market only

I don't know about the others, but I think MG still has a Q for most models.  I see the local dealer 'new cars' section in the lot, in constant flux, in - out, empty, more arrive.

[Gweiloman]

16 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Why?

Presumably you don’t own an EV because you would know why if you did. Overall driving performance is superior, instant power on demand, smoother, quieter. Cheaper running costs. Super convenient charging up at home compared to having to go to a petrol station. One less obvious but great feature is that I can leave my aircon running when parked in the sun while I’m having lunch. So nice to step back into a cool car with cool seats, especially in Thailand.