Foreigner Wrecks Chiang Mai Stall After Smoking Ban Warning

[Scouse123]

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Anybody at any time should have the right to ask somebody to not smoke near them, especially if it's a cafe or a restaurant where people are ingesting food. For some of us second hand tobacco smoke is one of the most obnoxious smells in the universe, it's right up there with the chemicals that come out of a chemical plant. So kudos to the stall owner for standing up to this filthy creep, and hopefully the police will have the vision and will to lock this guy up.

 

I suggest at least 6 months in the can and a 200,000 baht fine to the owner of the stall. 

 

 

Ridiculous response, even if he did commit a minor infraction, which I don't believe he did.

 

Second hand smoke.

 

How much smoke and fumes are coming from those calor gas cookers with dirty oil coupled with the cars, driving adjacent belching out car fumes and oil?

 

Kudos you say to the stallholder?

 

All she and her sister did was turn a small matter into a large one, something people out of control are good at.

 

What would the police lock him up for? What grounds?

 

Where is your logic for a ' 6 months in the can and a 200,000 baht fine '     Your post is knee jerk and ludicrous

[BigStar]

On 10/24/2024 at 10:49 AM, novacova said:

Arrest incarcerate deport ban.

 

Impose fine, extract B20,000 settlement

[Scouse123]

15 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

 

 

But he was totally out of line

1) smoking and blowing smoke all over her and her food and customers

2) Yelling and swearing at her

3) wrecking the woman’s stall.

 

 

 

1. A bit if not a lot of exaggeration to the point of over egging the pudding in your first argument. How much smoke is billowing from those gas cookers and naked flames, not to mention all the fumes and petrol, as well as diesel from the cars and trucks passing the roadside stall?

 

2. Yelling and swearing seems to have been going both ways from the video I saw. Throwing objects, followed by buckets of water certainly didn't help diffuse the situation.

 

3. No evidence whatsoever of this occurring, and I don't believe it did and where is your video evidence to back this up?

 

You can make a point, but you really shouldn't resort to the overkill and blatant disregard of what actually occurred, everybody can easily watch the video to know, many of your statements are clearly untrue.

[ergodyne85]

How dare they mistreat these hi so tourists that are clearly gentry with impeccable taste and manners?? 

[MalcolmB]

15 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

1. A bit if not a lot of exaggeration to the point of over egging the pudding in your first argument. How much smoke is billowing from those gas cookers and naked flames, not to mention all the fumes and petrol, as well as diesel from the cars and trucks passing the roadside stall?

 

2. Yelling and swearing seems to have been going both ways from the video I saw. Throwing objects, followed by buckets of water certainly didn't help diffuse the situation.

 

3. No evidence whatsoever of this occurring, and I don't believe it did and where is your video evidence to back this up?

 

You can make a point, but you really shouldn't resort to the overkill and blatant disregard of what actually occurred, everybody can easily watch the video to know, many of your statements are clearly untrue.

It is called manners.

 

You friend was lacking them. 
 

Funny you apologizing for him when his friend at the scene was apologizing for him. 
 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Nick... I agree with you regarding 'what the protests are about'.... 

 

... But I also suspect there is a trigger point and that may well have been the level of disregard shown to the the locals and local area by tourists visiting that area..

 

 

 

   It wasn't , it was Air BnB and the changing of tourism .

Tourists previously  stayed in hotels by the beach, all confined to one area .

   Then AirBnB came along and tourists began staying in AirBnBs all over town .

   Local landlords converted their long term  rental properties into short term BnBs .

   That caused a shortage in local Condos available for locals for long term renting and that caused a price rise , pricing locals out the market and locals cannot afford to live there anymore , hence the protests against tourists .

   Nothing to do with Drunken Brits fighting in bars 

[Scouse123]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It is called manners.

 

You friend was lacking them. 
 

Funny you apologizing for him when his friend at the scene was apologizing for him. 
 

 

 

Not my friend, I have no idea who the guy is.

 

I am not apologizing for anybody.

 

Here you go again changing facts and the story, do you have difficulty reading?

 

Maybe his friend just thought it would be more sensible to walk away from a storm in a teacup and was diffusing the situation?

[2long]

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Yes, it is illegal in Thailand to smoke in markets and restaurants . 

   

Was this a market?
Looks like a road to me.

[spidermike007]

34 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Ridiculous response, even if he did commit a minor infraction, which I don't believe he did.

 

Second hand smoke.

 

How much smoke and fumes are coming from those calor gas cookers with dirty oil coupled with the cars, driving adjacent belching out car fumes and oil?

 

Kudos you say to the stallholder?

 

All she and her sister did was turn a small matter into a large one, something people out of control are good at.

 

What would the police lock him up for? What grounds?

 

Where is your logic for a ' 6 months in the can and a 200,000 baht fine '     Your post is knee jerk and ludicrous

The foreigner, feeling threatened, responded by overturning trays of bualoy, damaging tables, and throwing his lit cigarette at her.

 

You are defending an out of control goombah. Lock him up. 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

43 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

No,

 

I am not having that, that would mean pedestrians have no right of way to walk next to a road.

 

Markets don't own the kerbs, though they often encroach on them, hence various means and methods to get markets moved.

 

How often previously was it we have to move into the road to negotiate our way around food trolleys and carts occupying the pavements in Bangkok.

 

These are attempts to commandeer public spaces and rights of way by stallholders.

 

It is no better than those who place bollards and obstacles outside their shops so they can reserve parking for themselves in public streets and rights of way.

 

 

   Are you one of those guys that goes into a bar, a no smoking bar and stands in the bar doorway with his legs in the bar and his head and right hand outside the bar leant over and sparks up a cigarette and says "What , I'm smoking outside" as all the exhaled smoke wafts into the bar ?

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The foreigner, feeling threatened, responded by overturning trays of bualoy, damaging tables, and throwing his lit cigarette at her.

 

You are defending an out of control goombah. Lock him up. 

 

Sounds like a very fragile ego to me 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, 2long said:

Was this a market?
Looks like a road to me.

 

 

 

 

    Same place , notice the red tiles on the kerb

 

[2long]

What I love about AN TV is that so many of you lot have your opinion, and won't admit to there being another point of view.

Facts and laws are objective.

Opinions and ideas are subjective.

And then you all start the 'how long have you been here?' thing with 'I know better than you.'

I'm pretty sure none of us were at the 'market' at the time and probably none of us would want a beer with the farang smoker or a date with the market lady, or her sister.

Can we all just move on?

[spidermike007]

The other silly aspect of this is his complete lack of regard for the gas hazard. One wonders if he smokes while filling his car with gas. He is simply a weak snowflake, who could not handle being asked to put on his cigarette. And no self discipline either. 

[MalcolmB]

After watching the video again it appears the smokers wife Karen was also quite rude, and the younger man was perhaps their son. 
 

Which brings back memories of a similar family in Hua Hin a few years back.

 

Luckily for this family they didn’t end up the same.

 

 

[roo860]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

After watching the video again it appears the smokers wife Karen was also quite rude, and the younger man was perhaps their son. 
 

Which brings back memories of a similar family in Hua Hin a few years back.

 

Luckily for this family they didn’t end up the same.

 

 

Soi Bintabaht, outside the Romantic bar, Hua Hin.

All the assailants were jailed for 4yrs, served 2yrs for pleading guilty 

[MalcolmB]

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

 

    Same place , notice the red tiles on the kerb

 

Similar but not the same shop. The one in your photo is an Issan food to order stall.

 

The sisters were selling….

 

Bua Loyyyyyyyyyy

 

 

[2long]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

 

    Same place , notice the red tiles on the kerb

 

What defines a 'market' and therefore a place where smoking is forbidden?

[MalcolmB]

On 10/24/2024 at 8:20 AM, webfact said:

However, the request infuriated the man, who argued that he had the right to smoke wherever he pleased, claiming it was a personal freedom. When his partner arrived, the situation escalated as the man exaggerated the story, making it appear as though he had been unfairly targeted.

Claiming personal freedom!

His right! to smoke wherever he pleases!

Exagerrater!

Then plays the victim!!! 
 

Sound likes an anti masker anti vaxxer type.

Plonker

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Similar but not the same shop. The one in your photo is an Issan food to order stall.

 

The sisters were selling….

 

Bua Loyyyyyyyyyy

 

 

  I posted the photo to show that the location  was a market and not just a stall by the side of the road , the stall in question would have been a neighbours to the stall  in my photo 

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Soi Bintabaht, outside the Romantic bar, Hua Hin.

All the assailants were jailed for 4yrs, served 2yrs for pleading guilty 

And freed as soon as the family were loaded on to the plane home.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, 2long said:

What defines a 'market' and therefore a place where smoking is forbidden?

 

Brains, basic decency, common sense, courtesy to others.....  All the usual factors that would prevent a decent human being from lighting up a cigarette because he knows the smoke would blow towards those others in a public area.... 

 

With regards to the actual law - I don't think this area (an open air market) can be classified as a non-smoking area.... But the guy was still a pr!ck for lighting up in that area.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, 2long said:

What defines a 'market' and therefore a place where smoking is forbidden?

 

   You will have to ask the people who named it "Chang  Phuak market" 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

other silly aspect of this is his complete lack of regard for the gas hazard. One wonders if he smokes while filling his car with gas. He is simply a weak snowflake, who could not handle being asked to put on his cigar

 

That argument is a clutch at straws - cooking is with an open flame....    Smoking poses no 'fire' risk in this situation whatsoever, attempting to use the 'smoking' argument from a safety aspect deflects from the real issue here... 

 

1) Pillock Smoking and getting angry when told he can't.

2) Inflammatory over reaction from the two Thai women escalating the situation.

[2long]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You will have to ask the people who named it "Chang  Phuak market" 

Who named WHAT "Chang  Phuak market"?

I have not been to CM in 20 years, so I am unfamiliar with the place, but is the side of the road a non-smoking market, making his behaviour ILLEGAL?

 

Don't get me wrong, the guy's clearly a d*ck, and I think smoking should be banned worldwide... but the original article (especially its headline) is very 'pro the Thai lady 'victim' and anti farang. That's all I have to say.

[MalcolmB]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

With regards to the actual law - I don't think this area (an open air market) can be classified as a non-smoking area....

Well if you bother to read the link below you will see that it is a bylaw that carries a 2000 baht fine.

Now while you, Scouse and the smoker may claim it is your “rights” to smoke wherever you want this happens to be in Thailand and they make the rules, not you.

 

interesting reading the Thai take on this ugly farang behavior.

Some suggested they should have thrown the gas bottle at the idiot instead of just water.

Others suggested a Muay Tai lesson. 
Many referred to them as “it”

Others complained that this is common amongst foreigners who feel they are above the law.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=868994052073645&id=100068891745615

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

With regards to the actual law - I don't think this area (an open air market) can be classified as a non-smoking area.... But the guy was still a pr!ck for lighting up in that area.

 

 

   Its against the law to smoke in markets and its against the law to smoke in restaurants  an also against the law to smoke just outside restaurants .

  The essence of the law is quite clear .

He could legally claim that he was smoking in the road .

But that will still go against the essence  of the law .

  Also smokers need to be 5 meters away from no  smoking areas , so his smoking was illegal 

   

[MalcolmB]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

2) Inflammatory over reaction from the two Thai women escalating the situation.

Yes, they should have bowed down to the colonizers.

There were signs in English, he was asked politely to move along but he decided to get in their face, swear, and wreck their stall instead.

The law doesn’t apply to us Brits.

 

[roo860]

22 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

And freed as soon as the family were loaded on to the plane home.

Missed that bit, where was that reported?

[MalcolmB]

28 minutes ago, 2long said:

What defines a 'market' and therefore a place where smoking is forbidden?

The Thais.

If you don’t like it, leave.