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2 hours ago, johng said:

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

Is it the autism from the vaccines or the worm, that’s telling you to make this stuff up?

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Posted
4 hours ago, candide said:

Sorry if I misunderstood you. So we agree that the Covid 19 virus has not been created by the NIH research program. It's was not obvious from your posts as you mix plenty of arguments.

 

About the claim you just made, it is not true that the dominant scientific explanation is that the virus is man made. It's the opposite.

Wow! It's zoonotic. You seem very certain about this. I guess you can provide the evidence to support this. No one else has. The case for it not being zoonotic is overwhelming. Even Boris Johnson the ex Prime Minister of the UK has said that it now seems in all likelihood it was a lab leak. 1:14.13. There are of course certain sites that lay out the argument for the lab leak complete with citations to world renown scientists and research but sadly this side of the argument is censored. Maybe give this a read after hearing a Prime Minister say it was  most likely a lab leak.

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/

Johnson on Covid. 1:14.13

 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, johng said:

 

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

 

There's not enough tinfoil in the world, obviously.

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12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Wow! It's zoonotic. You seem very certain about this. I guess you can provide the evidence to support this. No one else has. The case for it not being zoonotic is overwhelming. Even Boris Johnson the ex Prime Minister of the UK has said that it now seems in all likelihood it was a lab leak. 1:14.13. There are of course certain sites that lay out the argument for the lab leak complete with citations to world renown scientists and research but sadly this side of the argument is censored. Maybe give this a read after hearing a Prime Minister say it was  most likely a lab leak.

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/

Johnson on Covid. 1:14.13

 

 

A GOP committee, you must be kiding! 😀

And a crappy source you cannot link...

Again, real scientific papers are not banned on this forum

 

And please, stop dishonestly confusing lab-leaked and man made.

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Bad choice. At some point, when these poor choices start to negatively impact the US population, and they will, the people will turn on the Trump administration. RFK has no respect from the  vast majority of the scientific community . He still insists on a link between childhood vaccines and autism despite the claim being shown to have been a fraud.

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1 minute ago, candide said:

A GOP committee, you must be kiding! 😀

And a crappy source you cannot link...

Again, real scientific papers are not banned on this forum

 

And please, stop dishonestly confusing lab-leaked and man made.

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

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Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, pattayasan said:

anti anti-science nuttery is always a good thing.

Whaaaa.?

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Posted
4 hours ago, johng said:

let's hope so ,I also want to see them tried for their crimes against humanity along with their accomplises Fauchi  ,Gates etc


Long overdue.

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

Get informed. There were plenty of 'natural' viruses stored in this lab. That was its main activitiy: collect viruses (mainly from bat's feces) and analyse them. You are sowing confusion.

 

It's you who made a claim, and it's you who needs to provide scientific evidence.

 

You are projecting. Unlike you, I have no obsession and I don't care from where it comes. The current dominant scientific position is that it is not man made. It likely comes from the wet market, but there is no absolute evidence so it may also have leaked from the lab.

 

If the dominant scientific position changes and becomes that it is man made, so be it. I would have no problem with it.

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42 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

 

It could have leaked from the lab but that would imply that it was created. That did not happen.

 

Only the Murdoch press and the NYP are pushing the man made theory. Actual scientists are not.

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's happening.

 

Pfizer is up since the election, quite a bit. Moderna down but I suspect that is more to do with earnings because it's been dropping hard since May this year.

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