What is the process for filing the evisa non o for a spouse?

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

I have to buy a round trip ticket now because immigration will not let me enter Thailand on a one-way ticket if I am coming with the travel exempt Visa instead of the non-ovisa.

As pointed out above, you do NOT need a return flight.

Any onward flight within 60 days is fine.

This onward flight MAY be required by airline to issue boarding pass at departure. 

Two options to obtain onward flight is buy cheapest flight out of Thailand OR use rent a ticket.

One company is "onwardticket.com"

Discussed in this thread 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1318022-do-you-really-need-an-onward-flight/

 

If you obtain the eVisa in USA you will not need an onward flight. Only required (maybe) if flying to Thailand visa exempt.

What is the money situation? 

Can you show the funds in your USA bank account.

I realize you (by error) transferred money to wife's account.

 

 

 

[Upnotover]

1 minute ago, Lestat777 said:

I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm trying to navigate all this with a traumatic brain injury. It is very confusing when I get conflicting information from everybody here and conflicting information from online sources. 

 

I was of the understanding that immigration at the airport would look and see if I have a round trip ticket or not whether they approve my entry tourist visa.

Yes, there is a lot of misinformation out there, even on some embassy websites.  Immigration only rarely ask to see a ticket and it is always and ONWARD ticket that is needed.  You will enter VISA EXEMPT, it is not a tourist visa.

[Lestat777]

19 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

No, that is not correct.  You do not need a round trip ticket.  It is an onward ticket.  Hence my suggestion of a cheap ticket to Cambodia.  You do not have to use it.  Most likely immigration wont ask anything in any event, it is normally the airline that asks to see it when checking in. 

Since I was hasty in trying to get my money over there and make it easier to transfer into the account I open in my name I'm going to have to go to the local immigration office when I arrive there. I don't feel like wasting more fees having the money sent back to the United States and then back to thailand. 

 

Let's see if I understand the process. At the local immigration office I apply for the nano visa. It is a 90-day temporary visa. I then take that to a clinical Bank to show them that I have the non-o Visa and I can then open a bank account and deposit the 400,000 baht. Is that correct? Then after the money has been in the bank account for 2 months just prior to the 3-month period ending I then apply for a one-year extension. 

[Lestat777]

18 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm trying to navigate all this with a traumatic brain injury. It is very confusing when I get conflicting information from everybody here and conflicting information from online sources. 

 

I was of the understanding that immigration at the airport would look and see if I have a round trip ticket or not whether they approve my entry tourist visa.

Duplicate message. Ignore it. Browser issue. 

[Upnotover]

9 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

Since I was hasty in trying to get my money over there and make it easier to transfer into the account I open in my name I'm going to have to go to the local immigration office when I arrive there. I don't feel like wasting more fees having the money sent back to the United States and then back to thailand. 

 

Let's see if I understand the process. At the local immigration office I apply for the nano visa. It is a 90-day temporary visa. I then take that to a clinical Bank to show them that I have the non-o Visa and I can then open a bank account and deposit the 400,000 baht. Is that correct? Then after the money has been in the bank account for 2 months just prior to the 3-month period ending I then apply for a one-year extension. 

Not quite.  You will be in a chicken and egg situation.  In order to get the non-O you will already need to show the 400k in your bank account, which will be hard to achieve without the non-O.  Hence it was mentioned earlier that you may need to use an agent to get an account opened.  You'll have plenty of time to do this, 60 days plus possible extension, but it won't be as easy as the e-visa would have been.

[Lestat777]

4 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

Not quite.  You will be in a chicken and egg situation.  In order to get the non-O you will already need to show the 400k in your bank account, which will be hard to achieve without the non-O.  Hence it was mentioned earlier that you may need to use an agent to get an account opened.  You'll have plenty of time to do this, 60 days plus possible extension, but it won't be as easy as the e-visa would have been.

I thought I would be applying for the non-o at the local immigration office.

[Upnotover]

Just now, Lestat777 said:

I thought I would be applying for the non-o at the local immigration office.

Yes you will.  But they will want to see your bank account with 400k in it when you apply.

[DrJack54]

Just now, Lestat777 said:

I thought I would be applying for the non-o at the local immigration office.

You either obtain the non O in USA (eVisa) OR enter visa exempt and obtain the non O at local immigration office.

 

Given the error with sending the funds to wife's account in Thailand you may be best off to use an agent to open a bank account in Thailand.

Not difficult.

On the other hand if you can replenish the required funds in your USA bank account then do that and obtain the Non O in the states

[Lestat777]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You either obtain the non O in USA (eVisa) OR enter visa exempt and obtain the non O at local immigration office.

 

Given the error with sending the funds to wife's account in Thailand you may be best off to use an agent to open a bank account in Thailand.

Not difficult.

On the other hand if you can replenish the required funds in your USA bank account then do that and obtain the Non O in the states

This seems redundant and makes no sense to me. How can you apply for the non-o in Thailand if you need to have a bank account in your name but you can't have a bank account in your name unless you have the non o?

 

Who are these agents you are referring to? How do you find them? How much do they cost? Was it 4,000 baht? How is this agent able to open up an account for you?

[Lestat777]

14 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

Yes you will.  But they will want to see your bank account with 400k in it when you apply.

Would you recommend I still buy a pass-through flight even if I apply for the visa from the United states?

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

Would you recommend I still buy a pass-through flight even if I apply for the visa from the United states?

You would NOT require an onward flight within 60 days if you obtain a Visa.

In your case a non O

[Upnotover]

1 minute ago, Lestat777 said:

Would you recommend I still buy a pass-through flight even if I apply for the visa from the United states?

Not required.  They may ask to see your flight from US to Thailand but they wont ask to see any onward travel details.

[DrJack54]

45 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

Who are these agents you are referring to? How do you find them? How much do they cost? Was it 4,000 baht? How is this agent able to open up an account for you?

The cost is ~4k if under 64yr

~5k if over 64yr

That's Pattaya price. Other locations more expensive.

 

[Upnotover]

11 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

This seems redundant and makes no sense to me. How can you apply for the non-o in Thailand if you need to have a bank account in your name but you can't have a bank account in your name unless you have the non o?

 

Who are these agents you are referring to? How do you find them? How much do they cost? Was it 4,000 baht? How is this agent able to open up an account for you?

Because rules change over time.  It used to be easy to open a bank account as a tourist, now it isn't.  Immigration aren't concerned if it is easy for you or not and the banks aren't bothered if you can get a visa or not.

 

Agents exist to ease the process by paying somebody to bypass the rules.  How you find one in Khon Kaen is another question. 

[Lestat777]

35 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The cost is ~4k if under 64yr

~5k if over 64yr

Which immigration office will you use. 

Khon kaen

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

Khon kaen

I typed with Pdc visa agent Khon Kaen and they only assist if you are using them to obtain the non O also.

So this I imagine might be an issue for you.

Can you show USA bank account balance for the eVisa application in USA 

[Rob Browder]

7 hours ago, Lestat777 said:

Khon kaen

You could still open a bank-account in Pattaya with an agent - perhaps after flying in, before going to KK. 
 

Alternatively, you could TRY this (no guarantee): Go to your wife's bank, show the bank-transfer you just made, your marriage certificate, and explain that you need to apply for a Non-O Visa with the 400K in your name for Immigration, and that you will be living here / need the account permanently.  If they say "no," ask/offer to buy their "insurance" if that will help (is what the agents do - the bank-rep gets a commission on it).  It's worth a try.

[Pattaya57]

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[DrJack54]

23 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

This will require the 400k baht to be in a Thai bank account in your name on date of application.

Yes yes but he does NOT have a Thai  bank account in his name only.

An agent in Khon Kaen (his location) for this service is problematic.

In Pattaya no problem..

[Pattaya57]

21 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes yes but he does have a Thai  bank account in his name only.

An agent in Khon Kaen (his location) for this service is problematic.

In Pattaya no problem..

 

He said before that he does not have his own Thai bank account.

 

On 11/15/2024 at 9:27 PM, Lestat777 said:

I don't have a Thai bank account yet. 

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

(hence my post to say he now can't get an e-visa if he doesn’t have another 400k)

Obviously and posted by myself and others previously.

His best option is to come up with 400k baht in his USA bank account.

If he can't do that then that's a red flag. 

[Upnotover]

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes yes but he does have a Thai  bank account in his name only.

No, No, he doesn't!

[DrJack54]

Just now, Upnotover said:

No, No, he doesn't!

Thanks. Typo

Will fix now

[Upnotover]

Just now, DrJack54 said:

Thanks. Typo

Will fix now

Don't fix it, it's funnier like it is😅

[DrJack54]

23 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

He said before that he does not have his own Thai bank account.

Yes, simple mistake as ommitted the word "NOT" have Thai bank account.

I have stated that throughout thread. 

Best option for OP is to place 400k in USA account short term just for the application for eVisa.

When in kk show non O stamp along with address (TM30) 

Worst case the bank will ask him to obtain certificate of residence from kk immigration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lestat777]

On 11/25/2024 at 7:20 AM, DrJack54 said:

Obviously and posted by myself and others previously.

His best option is to come up with 400k baht in his USA bank account.

If he can't do that then that's a red flag. 

The issue is not the money. I have enough money to cover the 400k baht. The real issue is figuring out the complicated convoluted information I'm getting from multiple sources on how to proceed with this. 

 

My wife spoke to the local immigration office. They told her that I could go to the office when I arrive and show them my residence registration and they would give me documents to bring to the bank to open an account. That counters information I ever received on this website that states that I cannot open up a bank account doing it that way. So either the immigration officer at her local office is lying or people here are giving me the wrong information. 

 

My wife also asked the bank if I can use that document that the immigration office gives her to open an account and they said yes. 

 

So now my choice is to either left my wife hold on to the money I already sent her because the local office said it is fine if the money goes from her account into My Thai bank account because we can show that the money originally came from the United states. I guess this is the risk you take getting advice from strangers online.

[Rob Browder]

47 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

My wife spoke to the local immigration office. They told her that I could go to the office when I arrive and show them my residence registration and they would give me documents to bring to the bank to open an account.
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My wife also asked the bank if I can use that document that the immigration office gives her to open an account and they said yes. 

That's great news.  I am glad your immigration office will issue you a "Certificate of Residence" (CoR) and your wife's bank will accept it to allow you to open an account on a tourist-type entry.  

 

Some immigration offices and banks have a long, oft-reported policy of not being helpful with this.

I would still suggest you bring a copy of your marriage-certificate to the bank, in addition to the CoR from Immigration (and your wife, of course).

[DrJack54]

51 minutes ago, Lestat777 said:

So either the immigration officer at her local office is lying or people here are giving me the wrong information. 

Your immigration office is referring to "Certificate of Residence" 

The bank may open a bank account with this..

 

[sandyf]

On 11/27/2024 at 3:09 PM, Lestat777 said:

That counters information I ever received on this website that states that I cannot open up a bank account doing it that way. So either the immigration officer at her local office is lying or people here are giving me the wrong information. 

 

My wife also asked the bank if I can use that document that the immigration office gives her to open an account and they said yes. 

Indeed, I have just seen the thread.

There is little doubt that getting the e-visa before travelling would have been best option. Under the circumstances your best bet now is to travel to Thailand visa exempt and deal with things there. I would suggest you go with your wife to her bank and say you want to open account in your name and want to transfer funds from her account into the new account for a Non O visa application, very unlikely there will be a problem. As suggested by immigration best to have residency certificate as they will want that for their records. It used to be quite easy to get account but now much more difficult, main thing is to approach bank in a sensible manner.

Once you have the account you will  need to convert your visa status from exempt to Non O for 90 days and then apply for a 12 month extension. Some offices will do both in one go, why you may hear some talk of a 15 month visa.

Your understanding on entry to Thailand was perfectly correct but very unlikely that immigration would refuse entry just on the basis of no onward travel, they realise many will leave Thailand by land borders and that mode of transport cannot be used in visa applications.

The bigger hurdle is checking in at the airport, some staff will follow the rules to the letter and may refuse boarding if no onward travel and no visa. This is why all the talk of low cost booking arrangement as an addition to your single ticket to Thailand. In 25 years I have found it to be very hit and miss on passport checks, better to be safe than sorry.

Good luck.