Trump wins on the Stormy case as sentencing delayed "indefinitely".

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

No problem other than the fact  that TRump has basically usurped the USA justice system.       He's truly "above the law".

He is the law. Lol

[novacova]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All the attempts to use the law to cancel Trump are being cancelled themselves

 

Trump 1

the faux lawfare cabal 0

The left shot themselves in the butt pretty badly with all their worthless shenanigans and it’s remarkable that so many gullibles fell for their gimmicks. 

[Liverpool Lou]

18 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

No problem other than the fact  that TRump has basically usurped the USA justice system.       He's truly "above the law".

"...TRump has basically usurped the USA justice system".

   Presumably you have evidence of that inane assertion, do you, i.e. specifics?   And how is he above the law...rationally.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Anyway we are splitting hairs as the case will be thrown out entirely. Trump has a right to a speedy trial under due process and that includes sentencing. So none of this will ever matter as you can't just convict somebody and then hold the sentencing until a time of political convenience.

Now this really is taking the piss! A "right to a speedy trial under due process"; Trump's defence in this case, and indeed in all the others, state and federal, has been designed around delaying the process until the recent election, in the hope that after winning he could dismiss the federal cases and stymie the state cases.

 

Throw in a liberal measure of good old fashioned mafia gangster thuggery, not so subtle threats to juries, allegations about judges and their family members that if generated by any other defendant would have resulted in them being imprisoned for contempt

 

It worked, but it has resulted, not in justice being served but in cynical manipulation of the " due process", which has allowed him to escape justice, putting the boot into the idea of the rule of law and turning the US judicial system and it's political processes into a laughing stock. Now we have piteous bleats about "lawfare, judicial bias and political prosecutions" interspersed with thunderous demands for revenge and retribution. It has marked (tainted) his administration from even before it assumes office, as I said, turning the US judicial system and it's political processes into a laughing stock; perhaps doing terminal damage to those institutions. 

[Liverpool Lou]

20 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Teflon Don. You can't deny it. 

Who can't deny what?

[simple1]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All the attempts to use the law to cancel Trump are being cancelled themselves

 

Trump 1

the faux lawfare cabal 0

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/22/politics/trumps-hush-money-sentencing-is-postponed-indefinitely-judge-says/index.html

The judge did not set a new sentencing date or make any further statements about the delay. Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Trump, called Mechan’s decision a “decisive win” for the president-elect.

 

Ain't a win, just demonstrates the perversion of the justice system by trump.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

hat a farce the American system is.

A banana republic. And now lead by a banana president.

Have you got anything that would (a) justify your bizarre claim and (b) help some of us understand what you mean?

[herfiehandbag]

29 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Teflon Don. You can't deny it. 

I had a Teflon pan once, whilst the coating worked it was an excellent bit of kit. Once the coating started to fail it was a dirty useless thing which ruined anything decent you tried to do with it.

[Liverpool Lou]

37 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

46 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Rubbish.  Inaccurate.  But if it makes you happy to think otherwise, go ahead.

 

I made some lengthy posts and supported my thesis. If you are unwilling to do so please leave the grown up table. 

Did I address that comment to you?   No, I didn't.  Re your "lengthy posts" and a "thesis" (?), reading those doesn't make anyone a grown up.

[owl sees all]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All the attempts to use the law to cancel Trump are being cancelled themselves

 

Trump 1

the faux lawfare cabal 0

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/22/politics/trumps-hush-money-sentencing-is-postponed-indefinitely-judge-says/index.html

The judge did not set a new sentencing date or make any further statements about the delay. Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Trump, called Mechan’s decision a “decisive win” for the president-elect.

I think Stormy 'Beaver Eater' Daniels did a wrong-un. If she had stayed on-side, and loyal, she could have been looking at an important position in The Don's inner circle. Perhaps as secretary for Women's Rights or something.

 

Now, she is just gonna go down in history as a 'tell-tale tit' like Monica

[EVENKEEL]

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Who can't deny what?

Justice served. It was a bs case anyway.

[Liverpool Lou]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

just demonstrates the perversion of the justice system by trump.

How exactly has Trump "perverted the justice system", the system of which he has been a victim?

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I think Stormy Daniels did a wrong-un. If she had stayed on-side, and loyal, she could have been looking at an important position in The Don's inner circle. Perhaps as secretary for Women's Rights or something.

Ha ha ha - dark humour at its best!

 

Besides, isn't she a bit long in the tooth for "The Don's inner circle"?

[OneMoreFarang]

10 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Have you got anything that would (a) justify your bizarre claim and (b) help some of us understand what you mean?

If you read the news and you don't know what I am talking about, then unfortunately I can't help you.

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

How exactly has Trump "perverted the justice system", the system of which he has been a victim?

Was he sentenced for the riot on Jan 6?

Was he sentenced for "find me some votes"?

There are lots of cases which should have been obvious convictions.

[Liverpool Lou]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

16 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Have you got anything that would (a) justify your bizarre claim and (b) help some of us understand what you mean?

If you read the news and you don't know what I am talking about, then unfortunately I can't help you.

Lame.   I have read the news but, as I suspected, you don't have anything.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Justice served. It was a bs case anyway.

 

In a way I understand your point. But he was officially convicted.

So, IMHO, this brings up two options:

a) He will be punished like any other criminal

b) The conviction has to be overruled by a higher court or something like that.

c) That he was convicted but then somehow nothing happens is not a viable option in a decent judicial system.

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

Lame.   I have read the news but, as I suspected, you don't have anything.

Maybe try something else than only FOX or Breitbart or whatever you inhale.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How exactly has Trump "perverted the justice system", the system of which he has been a victim?

Was he sentenced for the riot on Jan 6?

Was he sentenced for "find me some votes"?

There are lots of cases which should have been obvious convictions.

Was he charged for those two circumstances?    What are the "lots of cases" for which "he should have been obviously convicted"?

[Liverpool Lou]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Lame.   I have read the news but, as I suspected, you don't have anything.

Maybe try something else than only FOX or Breitbart or whatever you inhale.

Maybe tell me where you get your news?   

[herfiehandbag]

24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

c) That he was convicted but then somehow nothing happens is not a viable option in a decent judicial system.

It is no longer a decent judicial system - Trump has traduced and manipulated it with the (successful) aim of corrupting it.

 

Damage is done, will it recover?

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

In a way I understand your point. But he was officially convicted.

So, IMHO, this brings up two options:

a) He will be punished like any other criminal

b) The conviction has to be overruled by a higher court or something like that.

c) That he was convicted but then somehow nothing happens is not a viable option in a decent judicial system.

Lets try for the last time, for all of you non Americans and ignorant Americans, to explain reality.

 

Under the law of each and every American state and territory and the Feds (as best I can recall, feel free to check) there is NO CONVICTION UNTIL SENTENCE HAS BEEN IMPOSED. In NY, it is called "Final Judgement of Conviction"

 

The Trial Court retains COMPLETE JURISDICTION over the case UNTILL SENTENCE is pronounced and the FINAL JUDGEMENT OF CONVICTION has been ENTERED in the docket. Once that happens, the Appellate Court takes jurisdiction to review, although the Trial Court retains jurisdiction to modify the sentence downward, or even grant what is called "a judgement notwithstanding the verdict".

 

Until the FINAL JUDGEMENT OF CONVICTION is entered, the Trial Court of course is free to do whatever it wants with the trier of facts findings, to include dismissal of the entire case, dismissal of charges or counts. 

 

With that unquestioned and unimpeachable summary of the law in mind:

 

Donald Trump has not been sentenced. There is no final judgement of conviction. He is, as a matter of law, NOT a convicted felon. He retains his presumption of innocence.

 

Anyone who claims Trump is a convicted felon is a liar or a propagandist.

 

 

[farang51]

22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Lets try for the last time, for all of you non Americans and ignorant Americans, to explain reality.

 

Under the law of each and every American state and territory and the Feds (as best I can recall, feel free to check) there is NO CONVICTION UNTIL SENTENCE HAS BEEN IMPOSED. In NY, it is called "Final Judgement of Conviction"

 

It seems, the New York City Bar is ignorant as well (bold as in the original text):

 

"If you are found guilty, you have been convicted and must be sentenced. Your case will then be adjourned for sentencing."

...

"If you are convicted, whether after trial, or after pleading guilty, you will be sentenced by the judge."

...

After you are sentenced, you have a right to appeal your conviction or sentence.

 

https://www.nycbar.org/new-york-state-criminal-justice-handbook/

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, farang51 said:

 

It seems, the New York City Bar is ignorant as well (bold as in the original text):

 

"If you are found guilty, you have been convicted and must be sentenced. Your case will then be adjourned for sentencing."

...

"If you are convicted, whether after trial, or after pleading guilty, you will be sentenced by the judge."

...

After you are sentenced, you have a right to appeal your conviction or sentence.

 

https://www.nycbar.org/new-york-state-criminal-justice-handbook/

Really dude? LOL. Got a statute that allows an appeal from a "conviction"?

[farang51]

11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Really dude? LOL. Got a statute that allows an appeal from a "conviction"?

Why don't you ask New York State Bar?

 

I do not know if the state bar is correct, however, I will believe them any day over some random guy in a forum.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Lets try for the last time, for all of you non Americans and ignorant Americans, to explain reality.

 

Under the law of each and every American state and territory and the Feds (as best I can recall, feel free to check) there is NO CONVICTION UNTIL SENTENCE HAS BEEN IMPOSED. In NY, it is called "Final Judgement of Conviction"

'Reality' is evidence and a link to a reliable source.

[jippytum]

A win for common sense. How many people have hoped a partner in an illicit affair would remain quiet. 

Ie.  Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. 

Note: Don't be unfaithful if you aspire to be presidential. 

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, jippytum said:

A win for common sense. How many people have hoped a partner in an illicit affair would remain quiet. 

Ie.  Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. 

Note: Don't be unfaithful if you aspire to be presidential. 

Thats why I never became a politician. My pervert ways outweigh my genius.

[Wrwest]

6 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

If it is dismissed lefties won't be able to use their favorite term convicted felon as they drool and rub themselves inappropriately. In fact that really isn't true until a sentence is imposed. 

And here I thought under US law the conviction took place when the citizen Trial Jury handed down the Guilty Verdict. but then I do not hold an earned Juris Doctorate Degree ... you?

[Wrwest]

5 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

Prove that. I dispute it.

 

A conviction is generally considered “official” once a defendant is found guilty by a judge or jury, regardless of whether sentencing has occurred. Sentencing is a separate phase where the penalties for the conviction are determined. However, the legal status of a conviction can still be affected by appeals, post-trial motions, or legal rulings that challenge its validity, as is the case with Trump’s postponed sentencing. The conviction remains in effect unless overturned or vacated through further legal proceedings.

Source from a US law document, please.