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Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:17 AM, JBChiangRai said:

There seems hardly a day to go by without more accusations of war crimes by Israel.

 

Here is another accusation from an Israeli Former Defense Minister in today’s news that aligns with my own thinking

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/former-israeli-defense-minister-yaalon-warns-ethnic-cleansing-gaza-2024-12-01/

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Accusations again. So no evidence.

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There isn't any evidence that war crimes are being committed by Israel , the only evidence of any war crimes are those committed by Hamsn

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A leading Australian legal expert has called for the nation to withdraw from the International Criminal Court (ICC), claiming the institution is failing to uphold the principles of justice it was desi

stevenl
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If he is correct, that would be an argument for the defense. His opinion seems to be more political than legal.

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  On 11/27/2024 at 10:48 PM, stevenl said:

If he is correct, that would be an argument for the defense. His opinion seems to be more political than legal.

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He argues that the ICC is overreaching it's jurisdiction since Israel is not party to the ICC, he also argues that the court has discounted evidence ( which by its constitution it is required to consider) that Israel has already carried out, appropriate and adequate investigations, ant that it has reversed the principal of the burden of proof.

 

He also remarks on the itself remarkable fact that of the three judges who would try the case, one has been involved in constructing the prosecution!

 

You know those sound very much like legal, not political arguments to me!

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JBChiangRai Ruby Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:34 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

The accusations are deafening

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:44 AM, herfiehandbag said:

So is a motorcycle when you take the exhaust/silencer/muffler off; doesn't make it legal!

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So what do you do with accusations?

 

You gather evidence and if you think they meet the burden of proof, you do EXACTLY what the ICC did, you issue arrest warrants.

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:48 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

So what do you do with accusations?

 

You gather evidence and if you think they meet the burden of proof, you do EXACTLY what the ICC did, you issue arrest warrants.

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So your resorting to factlesss and baseless accusations now.......sad

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:48 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

So what do you do with accusations?

 

You gather evidence and if you think they meet the burden of proof, you do EXACTLY what the ICC did, you issue arrest warrants.

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The whole point is that Professor Rose argued that the evidence comes nowhere near the burden of proof (hence inverting said requirement); a subsidiary point he makes is that the court has no authority to issue arrest warrants as Israel is not a party to It.

 

It is a bit like the Police taking you away in the belief that the initials "JB" stand for "Jolly Bad"!

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:54 AM, Bkk Brian said:

So your resorting to factlesss and baseless accusations now.......sad

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What is sad is your unwavering defence of Israel.

 

Your grammar and spelling doesn't help.

 

  On 12/2/2024 at 12:57 AM, herfiehandbag said:

The whole point is that Professor Rose argued that the evidence comes nowhere near the burden of proof (hence inverting said requirement); a subsidiary point he makes is that the court has no authority to issue arrest warrants as Israel is not a party to It.

 

It is a bit like the Police taking you away in the belief that the initials "JB" stand for "Jolly Bad"!

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Greg Rose cannot be considered unbiased, he is Jewish and probably holds an Israeli passport, the whole point of legal process with the ICC is to determine guilt or innocence.

 

It's wrong to consider one Jewish man in Australia crying wolf.

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  On 12/2/2024 at 1:05 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

What is sad is your unwavering defence of Israel.

 

Your grammar and spelling doesn't help.

 

 

Greg Rose cannot be considered unbiased, he is Jewish and probably holds an Israeli passport, the whole point of legal process with the ICC is to determine guilt or innocence.

 

It's wrong to consider one Jewish man in Australia crying wolf.

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Aha, I apologise for my slackness. I have mislaid my copy of "Der Ewige Jude", and likewise my "Facial Recognition Charts" which would have allowed me to ascertain his Jewishness!

stevenl Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:30 AM, herfiehandbag said:

He argues that the ICC is overreaching it's jurisdiction since Israel is not party to the ICC, he also argues that the court has discounted evidence ( which by its constitution it is required to consider) that Israel has already carried out, appropriate and adequate investigations, ant that it has reversed the principal of the burden of proof.

 

He also remarks on the itself remarkable fact that of the three judges who would try the case, one has been involved in constructing the prosecution!

 

You know those sound very much like legal, not political arguments to me!

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To be argued in court. Like nethanyahu has done with his objection brief.

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 1:05 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

What is sad is your unwavering defence of Israel.

 

Your grammar and spelling doesn't help.

 

 

Greg Rose cannot be considered unbiased, he is Jewish and probably holds an Israeli passport, the whole point of legal process with the ICC is to determine guilt or innocence.

 

It's wrong to consider one Jewish man in Australia crying wolf.

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What is sad is your unwavering defence of Israel.

 

So nothing to offer in evidence, just deflection on my support for facts and more deflection on grammar and spelling while I was on my phone typing.

 

Its a recurring pattern now with you, get personal when you have nothing.

 

  On 12/2/2024 at 12:34 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

The accusations are deafening

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So is fiction for the gullible. Here's a few more sicko accusations for you that are baseless but I'm sure the Hamas supporters love em. From the Press of Gaza:

 

"Israeli forces are using new weapons that cause bodies to evaporate on the scene"

 

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https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1863328938941919554

 

 

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 1:55 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

Why am I not surprised you read and post conspiracy theories?

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You can't even work out that the post in question is from a Gaza journalist. That is then spread by Hamas supporting press. Yes conspiracy theories indeed. Shows the desperation they go to spread their lies, but like the constant fact less accusations fella.......

 

JBChiangRai Ruby Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 1:59 AM, Bkk Brian said:

You can't even work out that the post in question is from a Gaza journalist. That is then spread by Hamas supporting press. Yes conspiracy theories indeed. Shows the desperation they go to spread their lies, but like the constant fact less accusations fella.......

 

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I did note it was a Gaza journalist.

 

My constant accusations as you put it come from multiple eye witness accounts.

 

I am still not surprised you read and post conspiracy theories

 

 

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:09 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

I did note it was a Gaza journalist.

 

My constant accusations as you put it come from multiple eye witness accounts.

 

I am still not surprised you read and post conspiracy theories

 

 

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Still no facts and back to baseless accusations again........

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:19 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

So "multiple eye witness accounts" are baseless?

 

 

Wake up & smell the coffee Brian.

 

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Wake up and provide facts fella, something yet to be achieved by you. There can be plenty of eye witness accounts of anything but they need to be credible and provide the evidence to back it up. 

 

I provided a clear example earlier of eye witness accounts that are all obviously false.

 

 

JBChiangRai Ruby Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:21 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Wake up and provide facts fella, something yet to be achieved by you. There can be plenty of eye witness accounts of anything but they need to be credible and provide the evidence to back it up. 

 

I provided a clear example earlier of eye witness accounts that are all obviously false.

 

 

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It's clear we are not going to agree.  Your mind is closed.

stevenl Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 12:17 AM, JBChiangRai said:

There seems hardly a day to go by without more accusations of war crimes by Israel.

 

Here is another accusation from an Israeli Former Defense Minister in today’s news that aligns with my own thinking

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/former-israeli-defense-minister-yaalon-warns-ethnic-cleansing-gaza-2024-12-01/

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Guaranteed that within 1-2 years there will be Israeli settlements in northern Gaza.

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:28 AM, stevenl said:

Guaranteed that within 1-2 years there will be Israeli settlements in northern Gaza.

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Baseless crystal ball predictions now................:clap2:

 

Have you read what the topic is?

 

"Australia Urged to Rethink ICC Membership Amid Controversial Arrest Warrants"

stevenl Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:32 AM, Bkk Brian said:

yawn, yes, baseless and off topic 

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So the opinion of a former Israeli defense minister about ethnic cleansing in gaza is baseless and off topic in a thread about potential Israeli war crimes in gaza.

 

Your comment is baseless.

Bkk Brian Star Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:37 AM, stevenl said:

So the opinion of a former Israeli defense minister about ethnic cleansing in gaza is baseless and off topic in a thread about potential Israeli war crimes in gaza.

 

Your comment is baseless.

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Moving goal posts then.

 

  On 12/2/2024 at 2:28 AM, stevenl said:

Guaranteed that within 1-2 years there will be Israeli settlements in northern Gaza.

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JBChiangRai Ruby Member

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  On 12/2/2024 at 2:28 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Correct, baseless accusations vs facts can never agree. The truth is important to me. 

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I don't think it is, or you would have said where the origin of Hossam Shabat's report (he is a reporter, he never stated it was his opinion).  It's his job to report what he hears.

 

It came from Dr. Al Bursh. 

 

I can't help wondering how a Dr. can "see" to deal with a vapourised body in the hospital, I suspect there's a mistranslation somewhere here, however that is just my opinion.

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