Thailand Birth Rate Nosedives: 81% Drop Surpasses Japan

[Spilornis]

Nothing new in these stats.

For the first time in modern history the world's population birth rate went negative (below 2 per woman) during the last few years. (India went negative. The few positive countries are mainly in Africa) The world population numbers increased due to people living longer but this is just a blip in the sense that the  temporary bulge will disappear in around 30 years.

In simple terms within the space of 70 years world population figures will halve. Without immigration Western countries and developed Asian economies will drop by even more.

Is this a good or bad thing... well it's both but the 22nd century will certainly be different to the twentieth century

[DonniePeverley]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Disagree. As a proportion of the population those involved with tourists would be minimal, IMO.

 

It's good news. The sooner the rest of the planet joins Thailand and Japan in reducing birth rates the better. IMO it's the only hope for the survival of the species.

 

 

I disagree. The vast majority of the population quit education, and drag their kids into servicing tourism. 

[Callmeishmael]

11 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Well, we have to do something about Africa.

The world has two options:  The fortunes of the 5 richest men could support all of the poor elderly on Earth, OR

the richer countries with declining birthrates can just continue importing the endless supply young workers from Africa and the middle east to replace the aging populations in the West.

 

[Aussie999]

18 hours ago, Foxx said:

Some real statistics and a link to the original report would be nice.

 

"an alarming 81% decrease" might mean that Thai women were having 100 children per year each, but are now only having 19.

and here's me thinking logically, it is 81% down on historical yearly births, nation wide, how silly of me.

[Aussie999]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thailand is not a poor country. It is a rich country with lots of poor people.

define "rich."

[Sir Dude]

Collasping demographics are happening almost everywhere, probably for similar reasons, which I'll mention a few below:

1. To encourage families to have more children, and women in particular, you need to have decent family-friendly government policies... it needs to be worth it and for people to know they will get quality support from the authorities.

2. Families used to have large numbers of children because some wouldn't survive, the ones that did were free labour on the family farm/land... and maybe one might make it and do well, thus helping the rest in the future. Once you have everyone moving to cities and living in apartments or smaller areas, lots of kids are just problems and mouths to feed.

3. To have children, most people need to feel confident about the future and what it might hold. Without this positive sentiment, then many people simply don't think bringing children into a tough and unprosperous world, where it's almost impossible to progress well and the middle classes are fast shrinking, isn't such a great idea.

4. Women want careers and to earn money and may well put-off having children until they are financially secure.

5. Lots of men available simply aren't good father material and many women are catching on the the scoundrel "shoot and scoot" MO of your average oxygen thief in most places.

6. Having children and bring them up so that they are healthy and educated now costs a fortune... along with all the things Gen z and younger feel entitled to. For example, the wife's niece is like 12 years-old and is pestering her father for an Apple Ipad.

7. The direction the world is going in has taken a sharply negative curve in the last 15 years... so not sure having kids is such a great idea at the moment.

There will be more, but that's just a few obvious one. However, a smaller world population may not be such a bad thing from an environmental persective. Governments panic about it because you now have too many older people and not enough younger people to work and pay taxes, so worry about how to pay for everything... the old "Aged society" thing, but they should have seen this coming long ago and done something about it.

Basically, countries that have this problem (and that inclusdes Japan, China, South Korea, North Korea, Russia, Thailand and many more etc.) have two choices:

Either,

1. Allow mass migration like Europe and the US has done to make up the numbers... but look what a mess of problems that has caused. If you do this option, then it has to done correctly, i.e. only allowing people in that have skills and something to offer, can work, pay taxes, and not commit crime or relentlessly remit all they earn abroad. Europe is in a mess because it has completely ballzed this up.

2. Ecourage your native people to get married and have kids through very generous and family-friendly policies (such as free government-funded childcare etc.) that make it benefitial to have kids in society, rather like it used to be.

Neither option is easy to do, and can cost a lot of money, but many countries are heading down this difficult road which ends with some very hard choices to be made, and kicking the can down the road just inevitably makes the decision more painful the longer you leave it (got to get their heads out of the sand). This demograhics problem will only worsen as time goes on, and I read a detailed report about by the late 21st century, only subsaharan Africa will have healthy demographics... for example, there were more children born in Ethiopia last year than the entire EU. Certainly food for thought.

Okay, I've rambled on longer enough already... good day to you all.

[Aussie999]

5 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Agree.  Lot of gold in all those religious shrines and temples.  Loads of food wherever you go. 

Gold leaf, and gold paint, hardly rich.. Thailand is very good at showing they are good at covering bad things.

[redwood1]

The solution to a low birth rate is to teach LGBTQ in the schools....And welcome gay marriage.....Keep wages low and debts high.....A force everyone to buy expensive EVs...

 

This should produce more babies.....Or maybe not...

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:47 PM, Foxx said:

Some real statistics and a link to the original report would be nice.

 

"an alarming 81% decrease" might mean that Thai women were having 100 children per year each, but are now only having 19.

When I was younger, one of my friends had 16 brothers and sisters.... if they followed the same trend as mentioned in this report he would only have 2.3 brothers and sisters (for a family with 3 children)... 🤣

[Srikcir]

Start nationalizing the flood of trafficked foreign workers into Thailand every year instead of deporting them. In fact Thailand has to a nominal degree provided citizenship for some of its stateless peoples. 

[Tom100]

The UN WPP Forecasts Thai population to fall 38% by year 2100.

 

This is based on continued low birth rates, which hav been below 2 since the late 1980s. 

 

Without offsetting immigration, a birth rate below replacent levels of about 2.1 causes population to fall.

 

Source: https://population.un.org/wpp/

[1duckyboy]

21 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

 

The only group that wants more people are big businesses seeking more customers.

 

You forgot the Catholic church, which demonizes birth control. The Philippines is an example of over-population with a high poverty level in a predominantly Catholic country. The opiate of the masses.

[Tom100]

Birth rates have fallen in all SE since 1960s, Thailand is not an exception and still has a birth rate higher than many countries. 

 

In the chart below, the vertical black lines show the period in which China's one-child-policy was in effect. What is interesting is that birth rates fell faster in other countries that did not have this policy. 

 

Birth rates are falling because people have more choices and choose not to have more kids

[Tom100]

Since the 1960s there has been a UN/globalist desire to reduce population growth that has been reflected in many policies

[hotchilli]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:31 PM, snoop1130 said:

Thailand has recorded an alarming 81% decrease, outstripping even Japan in this demographic shift, according to the latest Global Statistics report, based on United Nations Population Division data.

The economic impact of low wages and climbing prices... families cannot afford multiple births.

[jippytum]

62% of all births registered in the UK 1923/24  where born to non british mothers. 

4600 babies where christened Muhammad which is now the most popular babies name in the UK. 

 foreignern immigrant's are keeping the UK birthrate up 

Didn't mention that in the story. 

[soalbundy]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:31 PM, snoop1130 said:

File photo for reference only

 

Thailand has been propelled to the forefront of global concerns as it emerges among the top three countries facing the steepest decline in birth rates, now surpassed only by South Korea and China. Over a span of 74 years, Thailand has recorded an alarming 81% decrease, outstripping even Japan in this demographic shift, according to the latest Global Statistics report, based on United Nations Population Division data.

 

The report's revelations spotlight significant demographic shifts within the country, raising red flags about future population stability and economic consequences. Thailand's newfound ranking, third among 80 countries with the greatest drop, highlights an urgent need to address underlying causes driving this phenomenon.

 

 

 

Economic conditions, environmental pollution, and broader living conditions have created an environment where Thais are increasingly opting out of parenthood. Analysts are pointing to a blend of factors at play, with patriarchal societal pressures and economic uncertainties being cited as common threads among nations experiencing similar trends. Additionally, concerns over younger generations exposed to pollution and poor diets are believed to further impact Thailand's birth rate.

 

The figures from Thailand reflect a larger global pattern, signalling socio-economic and environmental influences as contributing factors to dwindling birth rates worldwide. As dialogues unfold on platforms like X, once known as Twitter, the conversation broadens, recognising this as a multifaceted global issue with potentially profound implications on future economic and population landscapes.

 

-- 2024-12-09

 

 

Not in Isaan, kids everywhere.

[PopGun]

My friend lives in nice house he has a flash car.

He's s a condom salesman. 🤨

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Not in Isaan, kids everywhere.

and they're the ones having kids

 

[lordgrinz]

Well, unless you believe we should continue to act like a virus, at some point we need to stop overpopulating the world.

[Nickcage49]

74 years? The headline makes it sound like it's dropped that much in the last year. LOL

[jas007]

According to some of the AI people, in a few short years robots will be doing a lot of the work and real people won't have anything to do except whatever they want to do.  That sounds crazy, but maybe it's possible? 

[Callmeishmael]

11 minutes ago, jas007 said:

According to some of the AI people, in a few short years robots will be doing a lot of the work and real people won't have anything to do except whatever they want to do.  That sounds crazy, but maybe it's possible? 

AI/Robots are really good at jobs that involve accounting, writing, graphic design, etc.  However, cleaning, doing laundry, etc.. are surprisingly complex jobs that are difficult for robots to do.  So, in the future, your kids can look forward to careers as maids and janitors in robot factories.

 

No wonder no one wants to have kids!

[jas007]

6 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

AI/Robots are really good at jobs that involve accounting, writing, graphic design, etc.  However, cleaning, doing laundry, etc.. are surprisingly complex jobs that are difficult for robots to do.  So, in the future, your kids can look forward to careers as maids and janitors in robot factories.

 

No wonder no one wants to have kids!

No. Real robots doing menial tasks.  It's coming, I think.  Those robots are better than you think.  It all seems crazy to me, but look into it. Robots won't cost much at all, compared to a human. 

[Sydebolle]

How many hundreds of thousands of women thought that they would not get pregnant if bedding Somchai from the same village and once she's pregnant he makes a runner. Never heard of a girl taking the father of her child to the cleaners, so she is left behind with no financial child support, has to wheel in money for granny or auntie looking after the offspring while having lost face in the village on top of it.

Younger women had it with these chauvinists while bonding with a non-Thai is still, in many cases, a no no. So they rather enjoy friends with benefits (more popular among the non-Thai crowd), one night stands etc. - educated enough to prevent pregnancies and since the Thai family structures are falling apart also, the grannies and aunties are no longer a given option.

Last not least, providing children with a proper education beyond fancy uniforms comes at a premium and is not on top of the priority list of expenses compared to smart phones, motorbikes, cars and whatever-else the 21st century marketing goons have in store for them ..... go figure! 

[Tom100]

8 hours ago, jippytum said:

62% of all births registered in the UK 1923/24  where born to non british mothers. 

4600 babies where christened Muhammad which is now the most popular babies name in the UK. 

 

God is the greatest or Allahu Akbar الله أكبر you infidels!

 

Jippytum: I am an anglo which is why I live in Thailand. Thank you for those horrific stats. 

 

 

[Chwooly]

I am to lazy too go thru all the posts but this number seems fake, Anecdotally I haven't seen a decrease of girls coming from Esan that don't have at a minimum 1 kid and most of the 25 and older crowd are still showing up with 2 or 3 kids left behind with Parents and grandparents. Of course like I said this is not a scientific study I have done, This is only my own experience with the girls I am finding on a popular st dating app. so this might not be representative of Thailand as a whole. 

[fvw53]

I think the very high household debt is a factor

[UWEB]

12 hours ago, jippytum said:

62% of all births registered in the UK 1923/24  where born to non british mothers. 

4600 babies where christened Muhammad which is now the most popular babies name in the UK. 

 foreignern immigrant's are keeping the UK birthrate up 

Didn't mention that in the story. 

Ok, that was hundred years ago. How is it in these days?

[spidermike007]

Fantastic news. This is not a great time to be bringing children into the world, and people are wising up. I don't think they're going to be able to reverse that trend. And it's a good thing overall, though some pain will be felt, no doubt. World population needs to drop. 

 

What might appear to be an empty lifestyle to some, is bordering on paradise to many millions of us. Though I like kids, I've never had the desire to own any. One hour with one is plenty. It's a personal choice, we all have to make these kind of decisions. 98% choose to go the conventional route and have children. For me children were never an option. And I'm infinitely thankful for that. 

 

The best thing that's happening to the world right now is countries like China, Thailand, Japan and many others are just saying no to children. I do not think children are that special, they're not really needed, they are way over rated, and thankfully it's a choice these days and not compulsory. A lot of people are saying no, I don't need the headaches, I don't need the nonsense, I don't need the expense, I don't need the responsibility, and the planet does not need any other kid. 

Nah, I choose to have a great life, I don't need kids. I did that and it was the wisest and smartest decision of this lifetime. I don't miss not having kids for a nanosecond.

 

The declining birth rates are simply symptomatic of intelligent people looking at life in this day and age, looking at their financial situation, looking at the lack of state support, and just simply deciding that having children it's just not some place they need to go. If they're going to have children, many are limiting it to one child.