Britain’s Sharia Courts and the Challenge of Religious Freedom

[blaze master]

17 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

I find that very offensive to Australian native animals!!

 

That's amazing.

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The Jewish society in Britain is not large enough to attract much attention. Also, they did not arrive in a leaky rubber boat and expect to be treated as honoured guests.

However, I think their children should also be educated in a secular school. Being religious should not take priority over becoming a part of the society one lives in.

Secular schools don't have pawnbroking courses !!

 

[MangoKorat]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Also, they did not arrive in a leaky rubber boat and expect to be treated as honoured guests.

The problem of Sharia courts has little if anything to do with refugees or asylum seekers - fake or real.  Shariah courts are operated by the Islamic society in the UK who mostly arrived by legal means.

 

The beginnings of that was initially to help rebuild Britain after WW2 and then to fulfill a severe labour shortage in the mill towns of Northern England. The problem was that not only did we allow the workers to come, they were allowed to bring their families too.  That was also abused by claims that 'dependent' relatives needed to come.

 

As far as I know, the families and dependent relatives thing has now bee stopped but it is way, way too late. We now have a Muslim community large enough for politicians to court them for votes during elections. Due to the size of that community, we also have Muslim politicians.

 

How do we maintain British culture when those people are beginning to have affect the government and law making?  That might sound awfully racist - its not intended that way.  I have no problem with a person of a different race or colour being in government. I do have a problem with someone from a different culture who wishes to impose a different way of life, set of values and laws on the UK being in government.

 

It is not for the UK to change its ways, its the duty of those who are given the privilege of living here to adapt to our ways.  For other religions, there would be no problem but Islam requires Muslims to live by its codes - it controls their entire lives. Many of those ways are archaic and totally unacceptable in the UK. The subjugation of women is one such facet of the version of Islam they practice.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Secular schools don't have pawnbroking courses !!

 

In a thread dripping Islamophobia an antisemite shows up.

 

 

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Correct, it's not necessary to be married to have a large number of kids and expect the state to hand over large amounts of other people's money to feed them. They can even get a state house to live in.

The state should not only not be encouraging people to have more than two kids, they should be penalizing people that do. From the third kid forward is a substantial monthly penalty.

 

Only if the state takes serious action, in reality there is just no point at which Western culture and Sharia law can coexist, and therefore anyone who practices Sharia should be prohibited from immigration. Period. Not wanted. 

[mdr224]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The state should not only not be encouraging people to have more than two kids, they should be penalizing people that do. From the third kid forward is a substantial monthly penalty.

 

Only if the state takes serious action, in reality there is just no point at which Western culture and Sharia law can coexist, and therefore anyone who practices Sharia should be prohibited from immigration. Period. Not wanted. 

The answer isnt to penalize white people who want a lot of kids dummy, the answer is to make the muslims go back to their countries 

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Secular schools don't have pawnbroking courses !!

 

All Jews are pawnbrokers?

 

Thanks for outing.

[Yagoda]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In a thread dripping Islamophobia an antisemite shows up.

 

 

Its not Islamophobic to oppose Sharia Law in your country.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its not Islamophobic to oppose Sharia Law in your country.

 

Who said that’s what I was referring to?

[simple1]

@thecyclist I will not replace your Islamophobic graphic which demonstrates extremist messaging from the Far Right. However, my point was you're claiming Muslims will not intergrade into UK society which is total rubbish. The vast majority working in the professions as well as day to day jobs, vote, educate their children in UK schools and so on. It's people like you who manifest hate that contribute to division and conflict  in the UK and elsewhere

[simple1]

13 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course the issue is cultural......jeez 

 

That does not excuse the abuse in anyway. 

 

- jeez - lol - Didn't claim any excuse for abuse

[simple1]

19 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Tell that to the women who suffer at its hands because the courts legitimate the ruling.

 

Nothing to do with normal domestic abuse the world over. What a sorry apologist you are

'UK Courts do not legitimise abuse, nor does Sharia Law. If a Sharia Court actually is proven to legitimise abuse it would be a member of the Court acting contrary to Sharia Law who should be ousted by the community.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

'UK Courts do not legitimise abuse, nor does Sharia Law. If a Sharia Court actually is proven to legitimise abuse it would be a member of the Court acting contrary to Sharia Law who should be ousted by the community.

'UK Courts do not legitimise abuse, nor does Sharia Law.

 

I suggest you read the posts and links I've already added, you are wrong, very wrong

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

- jeez - lol - Didn't claim any excuse for abuse

Yet that's exactly what you were doing and now finding it amusing

[Yagoda]

39 minutes ago, simple1 said:

@thecyclist I will not replace your Islamophobic graphic which demonstrates extremist messaging from the Far Right. However, my point was you're claiming Muslims will not intergrade into UK society which is total rubbish. The vast majority working in the professions as well as day to day jobs, vote, educate their children in UK schools and so on. It's people like you who manifest hate that contribute to division and conflict  in the UK and elsewhere

Manifest hate. How ironic, from a supporter of Socialism.

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Its not Islamophobic to oppose Sharia Law in your country.

 

 

I disagree.  It has no effect on your life, does on no way supersede UK law and is mainly used for settling family quarrels within the community, and only a limited to a small number of Muslims at that.

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I disagree.  It has no effect on your life, does on no way supersede UK law and is mainly used for settling family quarrels within the community, and only a limited to a small number of Muslims at that.

It does have an effect. Allowing it recognizes it as having validity.

 

Its not.

[brewsterbudgen]

18 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

It does have an effect. Allowing it recognizes it as having validity.

 

Its not.

It has validity for those Muslims who adhere to it.  No one else, except Islamophobes.

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It has validity for those Muslims who adhere to it.  No one else, except Islamophobes.

Got it. Honour killings are valid.

 

Islam is a religion of hate and conquest that needs to be reformed

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, mdr224 said:

The answer isnt to penalize white people who want a lot of kids dummy, the answer is to make the muslims go back to their countries 

Okay number one, some of us who have decent hearts and a fair amount of goodwill for our fellow man prefer not to use juvenile derogatory terms when addressing each other, okay? Let's just get that out of the way. Just because Trump uses nasty names for people doesn't mean it's right, and doesn't mean it's decent, and doesn't mean that it's proper or polite.

 

Secondarily yes the answer is to stop white people from having too many babies, it doesn't matter what race they are too many babies is bad for the planet! I don't know how you get Muslims to go back to their own countries but I think if you set the bar a lot higher in allowing them in to begin with, and you establish much more rigorous thresholds that could be a place to start. 

[RocketDog]

On 12/24/2024 at 7:08 AM, koolkarl said:

Eventually Britain will be ruled by a muslim political party and solely under sharia law.  All planned well in advance.

The really cool part though if it didn't have to be planned in advance except for this:

Move to another country,like France or Germany.  Have boatloads of kids that far outstrips the birth rate of the nationals. Then it's just a matter of time. Works every time.

[quake]

I think we could let the Americans sort it out.

I don't think Muslims,  like apple pie.

 

 

[The Cyclist]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It has validity for those Muslims who adhere to it.  No one else, except Islamophobes.

 

A ' Phobia ' is an irrational fear.

 

There is nothing irrational about fearing 

 

1. Muslim Grooming Gangs.

 

2. Muslims that go bang at Concerts.

 

3. Muslims that go on random stabbing sprees

 

4. Muslims that drive vehicles into Christmas markets.

 

5. Muslims that call for Caliphates in Western Countries.

 

And I haven't even got to the low life criminals yet, like the drug dealers & prostitution rings.

 

Just been for a slash and remembered a couple more

 

6. Muslims that behead teachers

 

7. Muslims that force teachers into Witness protection programmes.

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Manifest hate. How ironic, from a supporter of Socialism.

 

I have repeatedly informed you I am not a socialist. However, I know Americans from posts on this forum and others, (if you are one) have a rather distorted comprehension of the "left'  Again, as I have posted a few times I vote either centre left or centre conservative depending on manifesto.

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yet that's exactly what you were doing and now finding it amusing

 

You fail with comprehension. BTW I have never, repeat never, attempted to excuse or justify abuse of women. Accordingly cease your misinformation / lies.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

You fail with comprehension. BTW I have never, repeat never, attempted to excuse or justify abuse of women. Accordingly cease your misinformation / lies.

You do indeed fail and your posts prove my points

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

'UK Courts do not legitimise abuse, nor does Sharia Law.

 

I suggest you read the posts and links I've already added, you are wrong, very wrong

 

If true, then HMG is failing in it's responsibilities, though I understand additional legislation is under review in Parliament. But in the meantime Sharia Law does not condone abuse of women, that action is done my ignorant / misogynistic men. of whom more than a few on this forum.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a750e8040f0b6397f35d531/6.4152_HO_CPFG_Report_into_Sharia_Law_in_the_UK_WEB.pdf

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, simple1 said:

 

If true, then HMG is failing in it's responsibilities, though I understand additional legislation is under review in Parliament. But in the meantime Sharia Law does not condone abuse of women, that action is done my ignorant / misogynistic men. of whom more than a few on this forum.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a750e8040f0b6397f35d531/6.4152_HO_CPFG_Report_into_Sharia_Law_in_the_UK_WEB.pdf

Like I said, read the posts with links already supplied in the topic for proof and stop the excuses

[The Cyclist]

19 minutes ago, simple1 said:

BTW I have never, repeat never, attempted to excuse or justify abuse of women.

 

Is a misogynistic Religion / way of life, not abuse of women ?

[Neeranam]

17 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

They were invading half the world long before the west had any real power. Stop talking cobblers.

When?