Is Earth round or flat❓

[gamb00ler]

On 12/23/2024 at 6:03 PM, Hummin said:

The information is here, first hand from Nasa

 

https://www.nasa.gov/international-space-station/space-station-facts-and-figures/

 

And I have watched space station gliding past in the night sky several times

 

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/tracking_map.cfm

I grew up in a light pollution free area.  On moonless nights my siblings and I would sometimes lay on the ground and look up at the Milky Way and occasionally we could see a satellite traversing. 

 

@rattlesnake do you believe in/understand gravity?

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

I grew up in a light pollution free area.  On moonless nights my siblings and I would sometimes lay on the ground and look up at the Milky Way and occasionally we could see a satellite traversing. 

 

@rattlesnake do you believe in/understand gravity?

Loved to do that when a kid, and living in North Norway we hunted northern light every possible potential night it was good premises as well. Bonfire in the snow, good times. 

 

Did some night  freediving as well in fullmoon and northern light framed with ice and snowy mountains 

[papa al]

On 12/24/2024 at 4:13 PM, Skeptic7 said:

If in jest...funny 🤣 

If serious...disingenuous and pathetic BS 🤮

disingenuous is defined as  ---  not serious.

So your syllogism fails.

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, BarBoy said:

...you cannot possibly be this dense, can you???

Not sure what you mean. I have seen zero evidence of a flat earth and zero evidence of any god. I my "dense" brain that makes me a rational thinker. Believing in a flat earth or a almighty invisible being that created everything with absolutely zero evidence to support the claim/belief is the complete opposite to rational thought.

[rattlesnake]

6 hours ago, Hummin said:

There is some few concerns when it comes to that remarkable idea, and one is:

 

There are always twelve hours of daytime and twelve hours of night-time at the equator, except for two minor effects that increase daytime by about eight minutes

 

I don't see how this contradicts the level plane model. Please elaborate.

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

I grew up in a light pollution free area.  On moonless nights my siblings and I would sometimes lay on the ground and look up at the Milky Way and occasionally we could see a satellite traversing. 

 

@rattlesnake do you believe in/understand gravity?

 

I don’t give much credence to Newton’s theory of gravity. Density is, I believe, the most probable theory (to the smart*sses: yes,if I jump off a building I will crash to the ground, because my body is denser than the surrounding air).

 

The gravity idea, just as the Earth curvature idea, is riddled with contradictions and absurdities. Newton himself, according to David Wardlaw Scott, confessed that the explanation of the moon's action on the tides did not fit well with his theory of gravitation, which asserts that the larger object attracts the smaller (but the mass of the Moon is only one-eighth of that of the Earth).

 

Why are lakes not affected by tides?

Gravity is strong enough to hold the oceans to a spinning ball, yet weak enough that birds can still fly?

[GammaGlobulin]

15 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Gravity is strong enough to hold the oceans to a spinning ball, yet weak enough that birds can still fly?

 

Gravity is among the weakest of the forces known to Nature.

 

Even weaker than....

 

 

The weakling on the beach.

 

 

Still, the only reason that there is an Earth is due to gravity.

 

The conglomeration of particles only happens due to the force of gravity.

 

 

Also, during the mating season, the gravitational force between males and females causes procreation.

 

Otherwise, neither you nor I would even be here.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

9 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

That's not 'more accurate' at all, its complete nonsense. The shape is an irregular geoid end of. People have done post graduate studies on this.

 

The "blue marble" is an invention and NASA has in fact never taken a picture of the entire planet Earth. Each one of the pictures released over the years is unequivocally altered and the inconsistencies are undeniable:

 

 

 

But don't take my word for it, here is NASA data visualizer and designer Robert Simmon, creator of the "blue marble":

 

In the existing cloud map some people have noticed a few repeating features that appear photoshopped. They are. There are gaps between orbits near the equator, and there’s no way to fill them with real data.

 

Compositing separate images into a convincing whole is (of course) easier said than done. Even with control of each layer in my image processing software (Photoshop) it took hours of tweaking and re-tweaking transparency, layer masks, hue, saturation, gaussian blur, and curves to get an image that looked like the picture I had in my head.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/elegantfigures/2011/10/06/crafting-the-blue-marble/

The hard part was creating a flat map of the Earth’s surface with four months’ of satellite data. Reto Stockli, now at the Swiss Federal Office of Meteorology and Climatology, did much of this work. Then we wrapped the flat map around a ball. My part was integrating the surface, clouds, and oceans to match people’s expectations of how Earth looks from space. That ball became the famous Blue Marble.

https://www.nasa.gov/people-of-nasa/robert-simmon-aka-mr-blue-marble/

[rattlesnake]

On 12/23/2024 at 12:29 PM, Hummin said:

Every scientists I respect and trust are wrong would be a horrible discovery. And not only to me, it would be a disaster for the whole world. 

 

I appreciate you having the honesty to follow your rationale all the way (most people don't) and admit that ultimately, what prevents you from going there is that you are not prepared to accept the scale of such a deception. I totally get it as I was in that position myself for a long time.

 

The Overton window is shifting quickly on this issue, which has moved away from the fringes, from Elon Musks's troll comments on space footage "looking like fake CGI but definitely real" to Candace Owens claiming she has "broken away from the cult of science" and now totally open to alternative theories regarding the shape of the Earth.

 

(I'm guessing I'm going to get at least 5 laughing emojis for this one.)

[rattlesnake]

On 12/23/2024 at 3:19 PM, Hummin said:

Ever seen an Aurora Borealis or aurora australis? 

 

 

 

At leat he has the honesty to say he doesn't have a clue what gravity is.

 

 

 

[rattlesnake]

On 12/24/2024 at 5:53 AM, Dcheech said:

 Christmas Eve -    December 24 1968

https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/624x351/p08530wr.jpg

One of the most amazing pictures ever.

 

I could do a better job with GIMP. Where are the stars? (Off you go on Google – fear not, there is an official explanation.)

[save the frogs]

You don't need sophisticated science to prove of disprove, only common sense simple experiments. 

 

Simple proof the earth is flat.

When you fly across the Atlantic Ocean, the plane is constantly at the same altitude.

There is no curvature. There should be curvature at such long distances, but there isn't. 

The plane is just flying thousands of miles at the same altitude.

You can hold up a bottle of water when you fly. 

 

 

[Evil Penevil]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Why are lakes not affected by tides?

Gravity is strong enough to hold the oceans to a spinning ball, yet weak enough that birds can still fly?

 

Lakes are such small bodies of water in terms of mass that gravity has no measurable effect, except in Lake Superior and Lake Michigan-Huron, where the tide is only a matter of inches.

 

Birds use their wings to generate lift, which overcomes gravity and allows them to fly.  There nothing about the lack of tides in lakes or the ability of birds to fly that contradicts the laws of nature regarding gravity.

 

In modern times, the people who professed belief in a flat earth were mostly  Christian fundamentalists who accepted the literal truth of the Bible.  Revelation 7:1 reads in part, "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth... ."  Since the  Bible said the earth had corners, it couldn't be spheroid in shape, the fundamentalists reasoned. 

 

Other "flat earthers" have attempted to irritate "scientific minds" with a spurious argument.  It's a debate that is not really meant to be taken seriously.

 

 

[HK MacPhooey]

On 12/23/2024 at 5:20 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

Exactly, the curve we see on the second video is caused by a fisheye lens. With a normal lens or to the naked eye, it would appear flat.

Exactly, commercial flight lanes are generally at FL390 to FL410 and we don’t see the earth’s curvature from that height 

[VBF]

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Have a chat with Jeran Campanella?

 

That would be very interesting.

Especially as he USED to be a "flat-earther" and has now revised his opinion.

 

Just enter Jeran Campanella into a search engine - here's one result

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/flat-earthers-went-to-antarctica-to-look-at-the-sun-heres-what-happened

 

 

[rattlesnake]

51 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Lakes are such small bodies of water in terms of mass that gravity has no measurable effect, except in Lake Superior and Lake Michigan-Huron, where the tide is only a matter of inches.

 

Your point on water mass makes sense. Though Newton himself, and many detractors (especially in the 18th century) stressed that gravitation was merely a theory.

 

55 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Birds use their wings to generate lift, which overcomes gravity and allows them to fly.  There nothing about the lack of tides in lakes or the ability of birds to fly that contradicts the laws of nature regarding gravity.

 

That is absurd to me. A pull so great that it would force water to curve (a physically impossible phenomenon in any case) could not be overcome by a measly bird.

[Sorted2024]

Flat with a firmament layer surrounded by an ice wall .

 

The next 10 years it will be revealed 

[BusyB]

On 12/23/2024 at 10:21 AM, Skeptic7 said:

Haha but in your illusion...is it round/spherical/ellipsoid or is it a pancake❓🤣

 

It's actually a Möbius strip, which is why some who don't travel far think it's flat, and those who do travel far wind up at the same place again and think it's round.

 

[gamb00ler]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Density is, I believe, the most probable theory

but... .density has no effect without gravity

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I appreciate you having the honesty to follow your rationale all the way (most people don't) and admit that ultimately, what prevents you from going there

 

From me going there is just pure basics, but still, on the more serious side, many of us do not know if everything is real or a simulation. That's real thoughts I had since my first Mac playing simple games. And even the smartest scientists, take those questions seriously 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

(I'm guessing I'm going to get at least 5 laughing emojis for this one.)

 

That's in the nature of what science proofs, and do not proof. 

 

To me it is more proofs convincing me the earth is round than flat without being an scientist myself, or an astronaut physically been to space. 

 

I have to trust the overwhelming majority of people leading us in the right direction, and I still have more trust in science and scientists in their fields than anything or anyone else.

 

Even science has its flaws, and can not yet prove everything.

[Thingamabob]

On 12/23/2024 at 4:21 PM, rattlesnake said:

Use common sense, be objective and rational. This was taken from a balloon at 121,000 feet.

 

How do you reconcile what you see with the heliocentric model, which posits that we are on a ball spinning on its axis at 1,000 mph as it revolves around the sun at 66,600 mph, while the Sun itself (and therefore we) are shooting through space at 450,000 mph?

 

 

Interesting. Food for thought.

[Toca]

If the earth is flat why is there not one photo in existence showing South Africa, Canada and Australia all shown together?
The common sense reason being that all existing space shot photos can only capture approximately one third of the ‘globe’ at any one moment in time. 

[Skeptic7]

11 hours ago, papa al said:

disingenuous is defined as  ---  not serious.

So your syllogism fails.

Maybe... but were I to use "stupid" or "moron", those are against Forum Rules, so not gonna do that. So how about..."seriously wilfully ignorant"❓

[Surasak]

So. If the majority believe the earth is round like a ball, how do you explain a spirit level!? Just saying🤔

[newbee2022]

On 12/23/2024 at 4:13 PM, Skeptic7 said:

I raised that question over 5 years ago...

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1097038-poll-god-beliefyes-or-no/

5 years ago? Why now again? Alternative science? Fake news? New conspiracies?😱😵‍💫🥴

[Skeptic7]

59 minutes ago, Toca said:

If the earth is flat why is there not one photo in existence showing South Africa, Canada and Australia all shown together?
The common sense reason being that all existing space shot photos can only capture approximately one third of the ‘globe’ at any one moment in time. 

They don't believe the pics are real. They don't believe there's ever been anyone up in Space. They believe all the Moon and Mars landings and ISS were/are faked in a "Hollywood basement". They are science deniers and in the "crazy ideas pulled from ones ass" crowd. I never use the term "conspiracy theory (theorist)", as it gives them far too much credit...and is a horrible insult to the word "theory". 🤣

[WDSmart]

The Earth is neither round nor flat nor spherical (see definition below), but "spherical" is the closest of the two choices given in the question. 
define sphere - Search

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

They don't believe the pics are real. They don't believe there's ever been anyone up in Space. They believe all the Moon and Mars landings and ISS were/are faked in a "Hollywood basement". They are science deniers and in the "crazy ideas pulled from ones ass" crowd. I never use the term "conspiracy theory (theorist)", as it gives them far too much credit...and is a horrible insult to the word "theory". 🤣

What is most interesting with the conspiracy, is the percentage of Americans who believe the earth is flat, and have been growing by the last decade. 

 

It says something about the education system, and also mental health situation in Usa. 

 

https://theconversation.com/i-watched-hundreds-of-flat-earth-videos-to-learn-how-conspiracy-theories-spread-and-what-it-could-mean-for-fighting-disinformation-184589

 

Do weed smoking lead to conspiracy? Quite a few weed smokers  I know in person, and I say weed Smokers who have smoked weed for many years tends to believe more  in alternative thruth than non smokers or occasionally smoking weed.

 

For an instance, I worked as engineer in oilfield, and can't say I have met any engineers who had any conspiracy theories, or at least I know of who I worked with, and we work every day at least 12 hours together and also socialize after work. 

 

 

[WDSmart]

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I don’t give much credence to Newton’s theory of gravity. Density is, I believe, the most probable theory (to the smart*sses: yes,if I jump off a building I will crash to the ground, because my body is denser than the surrounding air).

If you jump off a building, you will crash to the ground, but not because your body is denser than the surrounding air. It is because your body has much less mass than the Earth below, so the Earth exerts a great attractive force on your body. That force is called "gravity."

[Skeptic7]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What is most interesting with the conspiracy, is the percentage of Americans who believe the earth is flat, and have been growing by the last decade. 

 

It says something about the education system, and also mental health situation in Usa. 

 

https://theconversation.com/i-watched-hundreds-of-flat-earth-videos-to-learn-how-conspiracy-theories-spread-and-what-it-could-mean-for-fighting-disinformation-184589

 

Do weed smoking lead to conspiracy? Quite a few weed smokers  I know in person, and I say weed Smokers who have smoked weed for many years tends to believe more  in alternative thruth than non smokers or occasionally smoking weed.

 

For an instance, I worked as engineer in oilfield, and can't say I have met any engineers who had any conspiracy theories, or at least I know of who I worked with, and we work every day at least 12 hours together and also socialize after work. 

 

 

As an American, I'm ashamed of my native country nowadays for myriad reasons. However, can't say I share your experience with weed smokers, unless you're simply referring to just total stoners...of which I've never known any. Tho I don't partake, the long-term casual toker friends I have are rational and reasonable and not into alternative truths. However, most of the psychedelic drug users I've been acquainted with totally fit that description❗🤣