President Jimmy Carter dies at age 100 at an "interesting" dark time in U.S. history

[Cryingdick]

 

[Jim Blue]

Perhaps those dark times started when Reagan took down the solar panels installed on the White House roof .A man before his time .

[bkk6060]

Seemed like a nice man, but really an unpopular President he left with a 34% approval and the worst inflation over the past 50 years.  The psyche of the country was down, until Reagan came in, turned things around and was one of the most popular ever.

[connda]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Carter was the only president I voted for, as Reagan scared me...oops.  Why I don't vote in presidential elections 

 

Some of, if not the highest inflation & interest rates at banks of any administration.  Nice guy, terrible president.

 

A man to be admired, a true humanitarian, just not as a president 

 

R I P

Ditto.  Admirable man.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, fondue zoo said:

Does that mean that the US flag will be flown at half mast during the next inauguration?

I read it is written into law.

You're saying it's written into law how many days to fly the flag at half mast at official locations after a president dies? It's still about three weeks until the dystopian American Carnage speech 2.0 so unless there really is such a law I would say no.

[impulse]

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're saying it's written into law how many days to fly the flag at half mast at official locations after a president dies? It's still about three weeks until the dystopian American Carnage speech 2.0 so unless there really is such a law I would say no.

 

30 days...

 

American flags will fly at half-staff at all U.S. federal buildings in honor of Jimmy Carter during Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration in January.

 

https://people.com/us-flags-will-fly-half-staff-for-jimmy-carter-during-donald-trump-inauguration-8767355

 

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Carter was the only president I voted for, as Reagan scared me...oops.  Why I don't vote in presidential elections 

 

Some of, if not the highest inflation & interest rates at banks of any administration.  Nice guy, terrible president.

 

A man to be admired, a true humanitarian, just not as a president 

 

R I P

Yes, if I remember correctly, the mortgage rate I got at the time was around 14%. Shame there appears to be so many who choose not to remember or are incapable of remembering history.

[1FinickyOne]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I recall the unsuccessful rescue attempt of the hostages in Tehran. I wonder how things would have been different if it had succeeded. 

hero for a week

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Yes, if I remember correctly, the mortgage rate I got at the time was around 14%. Shame there appears to be so many who choose not to remember or are incapable of remembering history.

Yes it was really bad which is why those of us who lived through that might feel that younger people's reaction to inflation under Biden lacks historical context. Not to mention how people in Argentina and Russia must feel. Carter levels would be great for them!

[suzannegoh]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I recall the unsuccessful rescue attempt of the hostages in Tehran. I wonder how things would have been different if it had succeeded. 

He would have been re-elected, for sure.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, suzannegoh said:

He would have been re-elected, for sure.

Not so sure about that but definitely less of a blow out for Reagan.

[Jonnapat]

Say what you like about Jimmy Carter but he was the exact opposite to what we have now.

An honest ,decent man who did his job in difficult times with the minimum of fuss. 

Carried on his charity work well into his 90's and still lived in the same modest house. 

A true gentleman. RIP.

[suzannegoh]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Will Biden and Trump both show up at his funeral together? Awkward.

 

I was expecting Trump to say something outrageous but instead he said this about Jimmy's passing:
“The challenges Jimmy faced as President came at a pivotal time for our country and he did everything in his power to improve the lives of all Americans. For that, we all owe him a debt of gratitude,”

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Yes, if I remember correctly, the mortgage rate I got at the time was around 14%. Shame there appears to be so many who choose not to remember or are incapable of remembering history.

My first mortgage was an ARM, and everyone told me I was nuts.  Went down every year from day 1 ... 

 

COLA for reference, so inflation was surely worse than 14%, given how silly the COLA are, even 0% inflation a few years since 2000 

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19 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Yes, if I remember correctly, the mortgage rate I got at the time was around 14%. Shame there appears to be so many who choose not to remember or are incapable of remembering history.

You mean, not remembering how the price of petroleum skyrocketed thanks to OPEC?

[suzannegoh]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not so sure about that but definitely less of a blow out for Reagan.

 

There were other things working against him, of course.  A seemingly forgotten part of Carter's problems as president is that establishment Democrats put up resistance to him.  Teddy Kennedy challenging him for the nomination in 1980 was perhaps as damaging to his re-election prospects as the public perception of him being impotent.

[Bruce1054]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

His one term in office wasn't great.

The country learned about grits and gas lines.

After his term, he became a humanitarian icon. 

What's not to love about Jimmy Carter? What a sweetheart. Showing in his deeds the good side of Christianity as opposed to the current dominant toxic hate filled fundamentalists.

He said he had stayed alive to vote one last time for Harris to try to beat the incoming autocratic demagogue president elect Trump in his beloved swing state of Georgia. Character-wise Trump and Carter are polar opposites.

So the timing of his death now is no surprise. He had been in hospice care since February.

Will Biden and Trump both show up at his funeral together? Awkward.

As useless as he was as president he must have been happy when Biden took the reigns 

[KhunLA]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean, not remembering how the price of petroleum skyrocketed thanks to OPEC?

Hard to blame that on OPEC when USA is one of the largest producers.   

 

Just be happy they found all the oil and gas at the overflowing refineries, before the world ran out 

 

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

 

I was expecting Trump to say something outrageous but instead he said this about Jimmy's passing:
“The challenges Jimmy faced as President came at a pivotal time for our country and he did everything in his power to improve the lives of all Americans. For that, we all owe him a debt of gratitude,”

Surprising.

I guess even he knows there's nothing to gain from beating on 100 year old dead man who has through his good works become beloved.

[CallumWK]

51 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Yes, if I remember correctly, the mortgage rate I got at the time was around 14%. Shame there appears to be so many who choose not to remember or are incapable of remembering history.

 

And how much interest you got on your savings deposit at the same time? Seems you don't remember that

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

And how much interest you got on your savings deposit at the same time? Seems you don't remember that

Good point.

It was a good time for retirees buying CDs, etc.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

The inflation of the 1970s has many fathers. LBJ's war in Vietnam plus the Great Society spending. Removal of Nixon's wage and price controls and other policies Nixon employed to fight a recession. Carter got most of the blame because these factors caused inflation to peak during his term, but there is lots of blame to assign to his predecessors.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp

[John Drake]

53 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Say what you like about Jimmy Carter but he was the exact opposite to what we have now.

An honest ,decent man who did his job in difficult times with the minimum of fuss. 

Carried on his charity work well into his 90's and still lived in the same modest house. 

A true gentleman. RIP.

 

Carter was a micromanager. It often caused him problems. I was a Carter delegate at the 1976 Texas state Democratic convention, and Carter continually involved himself in selections for things such as the state executive committee that took up hours and created division whereas had he just let the politics decide itself he wouldn't have created enemies. John Pouland was a very young unknown who came out of the blue to run Carter's primary  campaign. By the time of the state convention, Dolph Briscoe and the establishment Democrats, who had all backed Lloyd Bentsen for president, were pushing out most of Carter's campaign staff who had won him the primary in Texas. JC should simply remained out of the conflict. I think it foreshadowed problems to come with his presidency.

[GammaGlobulin]

When I first traveled to Taiwan in 1979, and during my first few years there, everybody was talking about peanuts.

 

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4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You dont need a "good" President. You need one with balls. Peace and love doesnt cut it when a nuke is required.

It's not when those organs occupy the place a btain should be.

[GammaGlobulin]

51 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Hard to blame that on OPEC when USA is one of the largest producers.   

 

Just be happy they found all the oil and gas at the overflowing refineries, before the world ran out 

 

 

PEAK Oil is coming....someday....

 

Or, actually, Peak Oil has already happened, even though you might not have realized it.

 

[spidermike007]

Carter very well may have been the last noble man to ever occupy the office of the presidency in America. I truly believe that in the future nobody of nobility, nobody with virtue, nobody with honor will ever seek that office, as it's just simply become too toxic.

 

Carter may not have been a great president but I believe he was a very good man, perhaps too good for the office. Rip big Jimmy. 

[scottiejohn]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Awesome, why didnt I say that!

Because tour minders never thought about it in order to feed it to you!

[Patong2021]

In his pre Presidential years, he wasn't nice. The public image was one of civility, but his career in Georgia politics was rough and brutal.  He won the Governor's race by using a tactic that Trump was criticized for; Carter avoided black campaign stops and played to  the white nationalist voter segment. The Atlanta Constitution newspaper, which had refused to endorse him, described him as an "ignorant, racist, backward, ultra-conservative, red-necked South Georgia peanut farmer." Carter's strategy to capture the votes of rural farmers, evangelicals, and segregationist delivered and he was elected.  As a governor he was described as arrogant, dictatorial and unwilling to work with opponents to  reach a common ground. 

 

Yes, he was given to public displays of  humanitarianism, but much of it was a reflection of  realizing that this is all he could do. His attempts to bring about world peace or change as he saw it fell flat after he left office.

 

I am not saying he was a bad man or didn't do good. There is no denying his morality, or of his civility and kindness to his community, but he was disconnected from the harsh realities of  some regional politics and did not appreciate that the current world was awful, and that Christian values  would not work in much of the world. He died a decent and good man true to his Christian values and for that he merits respect.

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

In his pre Presidential years, he wasn't nice. The public image was one of civility, but his career in Georgia politics was rough and brutal.  He won the Governor's race by using a tactic that Trump was criticized for; Carter avoided black campaign stops and played to  the white nationalist voter segment. The Atlanta Constitution newspaper, which had refused to endorse him, described him as an "ignorant, racist, backward, ultra-conservative, red-necked South Georgia peanut farmer." Carter's strategy to capture the votes of rural farmers, evangelicals, and segregationist delivered and he was elected.  As a governor he was described as arrogant, dictatorial and unwilling to work with opponents to  reach a common ground. 

 

Yes, he was given to public displays of  humanitarianism, but much of it was a reflection of  realizing that this is all he could do. His attempts to bring about world peace or change as he saw it fell flat after he left office.

 

I am not saying he was a bad man or didn't do good. There is no denying his morality, or of his civility and kindness to his community, but he was disconnected from the harsh realities of  some regional politics and did not appreciate that the current world was awful, and that Christian values  would not work in much of the world. He died a decent and good man true to his Christian values and for that he merits respect.

Rather harsh but I actually do recall as a liberal democrat when he won and took over D.C. with his grits revolution that he was considered quite right wing for a democrat.

However, comparing him to Trump is a bridge too far in trashing him.

Trump is in a LOW class of his own.  

 

Also to add, I'm not super familiar with Georgia politics back then, but it is the DEEP SOUTH, and I'm sure back then getting the "redneck" vote was a must do to have any chance to win.