Netherlands: Names of 425,000 Suspected Nazi Collaborators Published Online

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I wonder if your name is on that Dutch list.

 

I don't know.  It may be.  If I was alive at the time and the list includes the names of people who gave a hungry 16 year old German soldier a sandwich.  The OP doesn't make it clear at all how the list was vetted.  With almost half a million names, I suspect a lot of the names are for trivial "collaboration".  And human nature being what it is, I suspect a lot of the names made it on the list for personal grievances with neighbors.  The 1940's Dutch version of Karens...

[ChaiyaTH]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I don't know.  It may be.  If I was alive at the time and the list includes the names of people who gave a hungry 16 year old German soldier a sandwich.  The OP doesn't make it clear at all how the list was vetted.  With almost half a million names, I suspect a lot of the names are for trivial "collaboration".  And human nature being what it is, I suspect a lot of the names made it on the list for personal grievances with neighbors.  The 1940's Dutch version of Karens...

It is, a lot of names make no sense and there is no in depth information about each one either. I have visited the National archives in Netherlands several times, not only the one in the hague but also the one in the north, was part of my studies at the time.

 

Knowing who I am today, if I lived at that time, high chance i would be on it myself too, if that would have given me food and I would have had no other options.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I don't know.  It may be.  If I was alive at the time and the list includes the names of people who gave a hungry 16 year old German soldier a sandwich.  The OP doesn't make it clear at all how the list was vetted.  With almost half a million names, I suspect a lot of the names are for trivial "collaboration".  And human nature being what it is, I suspect a lot of the names made it on the list for personal grievances with neighbors.  The 1940's Dutch version of Karens...

It's still controversial. I read up on this in the lead up. E.g. about a steel manufacturer in Assen, depending on his deliveries from Germany. So he collaborated, which was well known. Not well known was that he helped and hid Jews and people forced to work in Germany. The day after the liberation he was shot by a student for collaboration. Since the list is only searchable on names, the relatives of the steel manufacturer can for the moment not find information on the student.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

It is, a lot of names make no sense and there is no in depth information about each one either. I have visited the National archives in Netherlands several times, not only the one in the hague but also the one in the north, was part of my studies at the time.

 

Knowing who I am today, if I lived at that time, high chance i would be on it myself too, if that would have given me food and I would have had no other options.

 

Getting beyond the big historical context, I'm thinking about that 5th grade Dutch kid whose classmates just found out that his great-grandparents were on the list of collaborators from the '40s.  Without a clue about what they actually did to get on the list.  And no way to defend the family name.

 

 

[ChaiyaTH]

Just now, impulse said:

 

Getting beyond the big historical context, I'm thinking about that 5th grade Dutch kid whose classmates just found out that his great-grandparents were on the list of collaborators from the '40s.  Without a clue about what they actually did to get on the list.  And no way to defend the family name.

 

 

Yeah someone is trying to create chaos again clearly.

[Thingamabob]

Very difficult to understand the point of publishing a list of alleged collaborators some 80 years after the event. 

[Rimmer]

A completely off topic post listing wars since 1899 has been removed

[digger70]

Netherlands: Names of 425,000 Suspected Nazi Collaborators Published Online?    

 

Why? That's Long Gone History they're  All Dead  .

Why Brood on that.

Don't live in the past  Look & Live for the future.

[Red Forever]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Its not Nazi. 

 

Its National Socialist. Socialist.

Did you read the article?

 The NSB aka the Dutch Nazi Party.

Yet another lame attempt at shoehorning your obsession with Socialism into the debate.

Still, you won me 100baht cos I bet my mate Malcolm that you would be along soon with your outright lie that there was an equivalence between socialism and naziism.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Suspected? Until proven in a court of law this is nothing more than slurs on the dead and now their surviving families. 

 

Totally unnecessary and sure to promote more division and hatred. 

 

As if there weren't enough problems in the world today let's dig up some more from 70+ years ago. Pathetic.

In a sense I agree with you on this.

 

Known collaborators that survived the war were prosecuted after the war ended.

 

Publishing the names of ‘suspected’ collaborators who are all dead anyway serves little purpose, what it does do is stigmatize families with the alleged crimes of their parents and grandparents.

 

There is though, one exception I would draw, naming those who received bounties for providing information to the Nazis to enable the capture of patriots in the Dutch resistance movement, Jews, Sinti and Roma. 
 

The names of the victims are known, “De 102.000 namen”, I se nothing wrong with naming those who gave up these people for profit.

 

 

 

 

[candide]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The Left needs to recognize that the National Socialists were Socialist.

 

There is a topic on that right here. Your side is losing, badly.

The proof being that the Nazis have been part of the Socialist International (whatever the number). Otherwise it would just be another of your B.S. claim!

Oh wait! 😆

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The Left needs to recognize that the National Socialists were Socialist.

 

There is a topic on that right here. Your side is losing, badly.

Yet more ignorant garbage.

 

You might want to look into the history of the Nazis imprisoning and executing socialists or alternatively working them to death as slave labor.

 

 

[KannikaP]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

According to a survey by public broadcaster NOS, one in five Dutch citizens would prefer not to see descendants of collaborators in public office, such as mayors or parliamentarians.

Which means that 80% either don't mind or don't care.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Which means that 80% either don't mind or don't care.

Congratulations on the figures of those Dutch citizens would prefer not to see descendants of collaborators in public office, such as mayors or parliamentarians.

[The Cyclist]

7 hours ago, blaze master said:

Their descendants weren't worried about the lives of the 6 million right ?

 

You're probably correct. Mostly because the descendants hadn't even been born.

 

Really ? You think people should be held responsible and accountable for actions carried out by their fathers and grandfathers ?

[Yagoda]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more ignorant garbage.

 

You might want to look into the history of the Nazis imprisoning and executing socialists or alternatively working them to death as slave labor.

 

 

That's got nothing to do with the argument which is already a different topic. I see you've been avoiding it lol

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, candide said:

The proof being that the Nazis have been part of the Socialist International (whatever the number). Otherwise it would just be another of your B.S. claim!

Oh wait! 😆

The Socialist International was controlled by the Bolsheviks 

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Did you read the article?

 The NSB aka the Dutch Nazi Party.

Yet another lame attempt at shoehorning your obsession with Socialism into the debate.

Still, you won me 100baht cos I bet my mate Malcolm that you would be along soon with your outright lie that there was an equivalence between socialism and naziism.

There's a whole topic going, didn't see you there.

[blaze master]

34 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You're probably correct. Mostly because the descendants hadn't even been born.

 

Really ? You think people should be held responsible and accountable for actions carried out by their fathers and grandfathers ?

 

No. I was making a point with the poster but it seems to have eluded you. 

[candide]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The Socialist International was controlled by the Bolsheviks 

You are confusing with the Comintern. At the time of the Nazi party (and since 1919), there were two "International": the Labour and Socialist one, and the Communist one. The Nazis have never been part of any of them.

[Chomper Higgot]

51 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

That's got nothing to do with the argument which is already a different topic. I see you've been avoiding it lol

When your ‘argument’ is based on a lie it’s not an argument. 
 

 

[Yagoda]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

When your ‘argument’ is based on a lie it’s not an argument. 
 

 

Translation: I cant compete

[Yagoda]

55 minutes ago, candide said:

You are confusing with the Comintern. At the time of the Nazi party (and since 1919), there were two "International": the Labour and Socialist one, and the Communist one. The Nazis have never been part of any of them.

The Comintern was the Third International, the Second having been dissolved.

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Did you read the article?

 The NSB aka the Dutch Nazi Party.

Yet another lame attempt at shoehorning your obsession with Socialism into the debate.

Still, you won me 100baht cos I bet my mate Malcolm that you would be along soon with your outright lie that there was an equivalence between socialism and naziism.

It wasn't even a nazi party. The NSB leadership had many issues with the Germans about the direction to take in the Netherlands. The NSB was much more in line with the fascists than the Nazis.

[BusyB]

11 hours ago, proton said:

They must almost all be dead now, so what's the point?

 

To give people like you a chance to learn something. 

 

I'm not holding my breath.

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The Comintern was the Third International, the Second having been dissolved.

Educate yourself. Labour and Socialist parties, which did not want to be under Bolchevik domination in the Comintern, created their own International, which was seen as a continuation of the Second International. It was also the precursor of the current Socialist International.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_and_Socialist_International

 

Fact is that the Nazis never joined any of the two "International".

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Congratulations on the figures of those Dutch citizens would prefer not to see descendants of collaborators in public office, such as mayors or parliamentarians.

If I understand your comment correctly, you endorse the notion that children or grandhildren or great grandchildren of collaborators should be discriminated against? As I recall, a common belief among bigots is that Jews should be held responsible for the death of Jesus even though the alleged crime took place long ago. You really want to endorse the concept of inherited guilt?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If I understand your comment correctly, you endorse the notion that children or grandhildren or great grandchildren of collaborators should be discriminated against? As I recall, a common belief among bigots is that Jews should be held responsible for the death of Jesus even though the alleged crime took place long ago. You really want to endorse the concept of inherited guilt?

Try reading my other posts in that particular string to see just how mistaken you are. Before you then go onto recall what a common belief among bigots are.

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2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Try reading my other posts in that particular string to see just how mistaken you are.

Or you can try writing more clearly.

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, digger70 said:

Netherlands: Names of 425,000 Suspected Nazi Collaborators Published Online?    

 

Why? That's Long Gone History they're  All Dead  .

Why Brood on that.

Don't live in the past  Look & Live for the future.

 

Yeah, just forget it all.