Yes, Virginia, Donald J. Trump WILL be the first convicted felon to become U.S. president

[RPCVguy]

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's hilarious 

What is hilarious? The letter of the law as written in the constitution? Or the part where I wrote that "I suspect that Congress will duck their mandated role, just as SCOTUS ducked its role last year."
The election results are in but the ineligibility mars his right to hold office until the constitutional remedy is completed. I suspect that if attempted, a third of the Democrats would go along, just to preserve the peace. Sad days ahead as the dismantling of reasoned systems typically unfolds into chaos, and dismantling is a high priority of those coming into power.

[Hawaiian]

22 minutes ago, RPCVguy said:

What is hilarious? The letter of the law as written in the constitution? Or the part where I wrote that "I suspect that Congress will duck their mandated role, just as SCOTUS ducked its role last year."
The election results are in but the ineligibility mars his right to hold office until the constitutional remedy is completed. I suspect that if attempted, a third of the Democrats would go along, just to preserve the peace. Sad days ahead as the dismantling of reasoned systems typically unfolds into chaos, and dismantling is a high priority of those coming into power.

The sky ain't falling,  although it seems as if you are wishing for it to happen.

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, RPCVguy said:

WILL CONGRESS SUPPLY THE CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED REMEDY?

January 6th Election Certification might academically agree that the election was won by DJ Trump, BUT he can not legally be sworn into office UNLESS AND UNTIL both the House and the Senate by a 2/3rds majority vote to remove this disability. (I suspect that Congress will duck their mandated role, just as SCOTUS ducked its role last year.)

Consider Trump's own recent acknowledgement of constitutional requirements: "Musk can't be president because he wasn't born in the USA"
By the words of the 14th Amendment, how can someone who supported an insurrection be sworn into office? Even if the election is certified?

Note the adjudication so far:

♦ The House voted the 2nd impeachment (bipartisan)

♦ The Senate voted 57-43 for conviction (bipartisan)

♦ The House Select Committee voted unanimously to indict (refer Trump for potential criminal prosecution) DJ Trump for 4 charges: Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Conspiracy to Defraud the United States; Conspiracy to Make a False Statement and "Incite," "Assist" or "Aid and Comfort" an Insurrection. (bipartisan)

♦ Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says candidates are disallowed if they've "engaged in insurrection." Both the Colorado justices and Maine Secretary Bellows said Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, which ended with an attack on the U.S. Capitol, fit that description. Significantly. the Colorado Supreme Court heard an appeal, but upheld that decision.

♦ Then the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously that individual states cannot remove former President Donald Trump from their ballots based on the 14th Amendment.
BUT SCOTUS DID NOT RULE ON TRUMP'S ELIGIBILITY TO AGAIN HOLD OFFICE.

Of note by former Federal Prosecutor Glenn Kirschner:

https://youtu.be/5OCN-OvYsW0

Since when has Congress the power given to the Judiciary.  AFAIK, no court has ruled that Donald Trump has committed an act of INSURRECTION or REBELLION.

[digger70]

Yes, Virginia, Donald J. Trump WILL be the first convicted felon to become U.S. presiden

This doesn't mean anything, People Know that they are all Trumped up charges .

Nothing to  it nothing will happen

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

Yet you proclaim yourself knowledgeable about what's actually going on in America and who the candidates really are and what they stand for. Right.   

For me, what's going on in America is what I think is going on in America.  I see it, many people don't.  Or they simply won't open their eyes.  It's more comfortable for them to think that what they hear and read in the mainstream media must surely be true. They've been brainwashed or, for whatever reason, they chose to believe the propaganda.  That's how most people survive. They do their job, they do what they're told, and they otherwise go along with the program.  In return, they work 40 hours a week or more, they collect a paycheck, and when they finally retire, they sit around and wonder what that was all about, because it sure wasn't much fun and their life is gone.

 

As for providing you with documented "facts"? Do you not realize how silly that is?  According to people like you, only the mainstream media has a monopoly on the "facts."  A monopoly on the "truth." Everything else is a "conspiracy theory."

 

Except maybe that's not always the case.  Providing  you with "proof" of that would be like trying to prove a negative.  It's hard to prove something when much of the story and thus the proof  has been scrubbed from the media or otherwise massaged to fit a desired narrative.  It's called propaganda, and that's what you read and watch every day, apparently.  But if it makes you happy, so be it. 

 

Some us learned a long time ago to question authority. 

[Neeranam]

59 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Some us learned a long time ago to question authority. 

"There is no authority buy yourself" -  Crass

[gamb00ler]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Actually, what posters here are trying to imply is that he was successfully impeached twice and convicted.  He was not.  Their implications do not change the fact that he was acquitted twice.   The impeachment proceedings were nothing more than unjustified and unsuccessful accusations. 

 

The US Constitution provides that the House of Representatives “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment”.   In other words, the Senate has NO role in the impeachment.   The Senate conducts the trial and issues the verdict.

 

Impeachment is equivalent to the grand jury process where evidence is presented by those seeking to remove/punish the misdeeds of a president.  There is no opportunity for the target of the impeachment to provide a defense... which mirrors the grand jury process.  An impeachment is complete when a simple majority in House of Representatives approve the Articles of Impeachment.

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17 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Wasnt he impeached once for stating that the bidens were receiving money from Ukraine for no reason they could explain, and that an investigation was needed? How did that work out for the left?😂

The Bidens were receiving money? Which Bidens were receiving money?  Anyone with a first name of Joseph?  As for how it worked out for the left...the House Committee's efforts to implicate Joe Biden were pretty much a total failure. Some of the falsehoods they promoted persist despite being disproven. Like claiming that Joe Biden profited to the tune of $40,000 that came from the Chinese.  As James Biden testified and documented in testimony before said committee, it was repayment of a loan. Was it you who tried to promote that canard not so long ago?

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

For me, what's going on in America is what I think is going on in America.  I see it, many people don't.  Or they simply won't open their eyes.  It's more comfortable for them to think that what they hear and read in the mainstream media must surely be true. They've been brainwashed or, for whatever reason, they chose to believe the propaganda.  That's how most people survive. They do their job, they do what they're told, and they otherwise go along with the program.  In return, they work 40 hours a week or more, they collect a paycheck, and when they finally retire, they sit around and wonder what that was all about, because it sure wasn't much fun and their life is gone.

 

As for providing you with documented "facts"? Do you not realize how silly that is?  According to people like you, only the mainstream media has a monopoly on the "facts."  A monopoly on the "truth." Everything else is a "conspiracy theory."

 

Except maybe that's not always the case.  Providing  you with "proof" of that would be like trying to prove a negative.  It's hard to prove something when much of the story and thus the proof  has been scrubbed from the media or otherwise massaged to fit a desired narrative.  It's called propaganda, and that's what you read and watch every day, apparently.  But if it makes you happy, so be it. 

 

Some us learned a long time ago to question authority. 

Yeah as I said you have no proof just your own opinion on crazy conspiracy ideas

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

To me, MAGA means Make America Great AGAIN so that implies that America once was great, it ain't great now, and some at least feel they have the way to make it great once more. Following the Central Park 5 incident, Donald J. Trump personally placed this Newsday ad May 1 , 1989:

 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/6131533/trumpdeathpenaltyad05011989.pdf

 

 

 

The Central Park 5 were subsequently acquitted when the real perpetrator confessed and DNA evidence linked him to the crime.

 

Had the death penalty been carried out on the Central Park 5, it would have been a horrible miscarriage of justice. It was bad enough that they spent years in prison for a crime they did not commit.

 

This is just more evidence of Trump's dangerous rhetoric.

[jerrymahoney]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left and the legacy media, (the propaganda wing of the Democrat party) will do all they can to stop Trump from doing what the American people want and elected him to do, and then they'll blame Trump for not getting it done.

As of now, the bigger constraint on the Trump agenda will likely not be from the Democrats but from the extreme right Republicans in the House and 3+ RINO's in the Senate some of whom voted for Trump's Senate impeachment conviction in 2023

[jerrymahoney]

1 minute ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

This is just more evidence of Trump's dangerous rhetoric.

I just posted that to show that a lot of his current rhetoric has been in place a long time and is nothing new for him.

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12 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

The Central Park 5 were subsequently acquitted when the real perpetrator confessed and DNA evidence linked him to the crime.

 

Had the death penalty been carried out on the Central Park 5, it would have been a horrible miscarriage of justice. It was bad enough that they spent years in prison for a crime they did not commit.

 

This is just more evidence of Trump's dangerous rhetoric.

What makes it worse is that even after the DNA evidence acquitted them, Trump still insisted that they were guilty.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

13 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I just posted that to show that a lot of his current rhetoric has been in place a long time and is nothing new for him.

 

Thanks. I wasn't sure.

 

Just wanted to provide a fuller picture.

[jas007]

21 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Yeah as I said you have no proof just your own opinion on crazy conspiracy ideas

 What's the difference between a "conspiracy theory" and the truth?

 

Lately, about six months. 

[Dan O]

10 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 What's the difference between a "conspiracy theory" and the truth?

 

Lately, about six months. 

All your claims of global control and deep state and all the other bs has been the same since 1800's or earlier, your just spouting the latest iteration. It will continue to go on until long after you're dead.

 

What's the difference in conspiracy therory and the truth?   Facts and truth pretty much says it all.

[xylophone]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:54 PM, thaipo7 said:

Only people like you gloat over this.  What I hate is I had to suffer like the rest of the middle class under Biden and you with your twisted and not understanding scrambled mind will benefit with me and the middle class under Trump.  Talk about unfair.  Do you keep in contact with TUG?

What I hate is I had to suffer like the rest of the middle class under Biden.......

 

And you think that trump and his cohorts will be looking after you when he is president. IMO this sums things up nicely..

 

[jas007]

3 hours ago, RPCVguy said:

What is hilarious? The letter of the law as written in the constitution? Or the part where I wrote that "I suspect that Congress will duck their mandated role, just as SCOTUS ducked its role last year."
The election results are in but the ineligibility mars his right to hold office until the constitutional remedy is completed. I suspect that if attempted, a third of the Democrats would go along, just to preserve the peace. Sad days ahead as the dismantling of reasoned systems typically unfolds into chaos, and dismantling is a high priority of those coming into power.

 

You wasted a lot of time worrying about something that's not going to happen.  The American people have spoken. The electoral votes have been counted.  And congress will certify the results on January 6, baring some kind of shut down because of there snow and ice. 

 

The Electoral Count Reform Act requires that one-fifth of each chamber must support an objection to force a vote on a state’s electors. If there are no objections from at least 20% of the members in both chambers, the certification proceeds without interruption. In other words, it's politics, it's business as usual, and it's a done deal. 
   

 

[RPCVguy]

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Since when has Congress the power given to the Judiciary.  AFAIK, no court has ruled that Donald Trump has committed an act of INSURRECTION or REBELLION.

There was a court ruling atop the initial votes of the House and Senate:
A majority of the Colorado Supreme court held that:  "Trump is disqualified from holding the office of president under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment,”
Trump engaged in insurrection, court says: "The top Colorado court upheld the trial judge’s conclusions that the January 6 assault on the US Capitol was an insurrection and that Trump “engaged in” that insurrection. These are key legal hurdles that the challengers needed to clear before Trump could be removed from any ballot, largely because the text of the 14th Amendment doesn’t actually define an “insurrection” or spell out what it means to “engage in” insurrection."  https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/colorado-trump-14th-amendment-12-19-23/index.html
Then back to my original post, this was not the only adjudication. The House and Senate each voted by a majority vote to the same offenses. The federal case was successfully stalled from going to trial, but the evidence gathered exceeded what the House Select Committee had the ability to gather.

Quoting the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

The disqualification is real, I've underlined the key words (no mention of conviction) and Americans saw Trump's past and ongoing "support for, comfort to" while putting the remedy Congress can supply in bold print.
Congress is likely to duck their responsibility. My point is that until this is resolved, the ceremony planned for January 20th will be in violation of the law. I don't expect anyone to enforce it. ... A sad day for the rule of law.

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

All your claims of global control and deep state and all the other bs has been the same since 1800's or earlier, your just spouting the latest iteration. It will continue to go on until long after you're dead.

 

What's the difference in conspiracy therory and the truth?   Facts and truth pretty much says it all.

 If you don't understand all of what I've written above and it makes you comfortable to believe the official propaganda, that's OK with me. It really is.  You're in good company.  Many people are brainwashed and just don't realize it.  

 

Where is it written that I owe you any kind of explanation?  I could write 20 pages, but I would be wasting my time.  

[jas007]

[BusyB]

On 1/4/2025 at 6:45 AM, Jingthing said:

In your opinion. Hardly everyone's opinion.

The fact remains he will enter his second term both an instant LAME DUCK and a convicted felon.

 

It's all quite tasteless and a national declaration of political bankruptcy. But it's also a distraction from the real show.

 

I'm quite certain that after a 'decency' period Trump will retire or be 'retired' on mental health grounds or the such like. He's already mental aside from his moral failings. I'm convinced he'll be replaced by Vance and that that was the game all along.

 

The empty vessel Vance and the boyman Musk are puppets of the most malignant and dark forces the US has seen since McCarthy. And then some. The incompetents and favorites Trump wants to install will be no constitutional bulwark against them. Quite the opposite - they fawn over those types.

 

In a while I'm pretty sure the magaloons'll all be whinging (like their cousin Brexitoons across the pond) 'This isn't what we voted for!'.

 

Yes it is.

 

Enjoy. 

[jerrymahoney]

41 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Thanks. I wasn't sure.

 

Just wanted to provide a fuller picture.

OK.

[Gobbler]

Fantastic, we need to vote for more felons.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

The Bidens were receiving money? Which Bidens were receiving money?  Anyone with a first name of Joseph?  As for how it worked out for the left...the House Committee's efforts to implicate Joe Biden were pretty much a total failure. Some of the falsehoods they promoted persist despite being disproven. Like claiming that Joe Biden profited to the tune of $40,000 that came from the Chinese.  As James Biden testified and documented in testimony before said committee, it was repayment of a loan. Was it you who tried to promote that canard not so long ago?

Still clinging to the years ago debunked narrative the laptop was Russian disinfo? Hunter has already confirmed its his btw. If you explained why the Chinese, Russians, Romanians and Ukrainians were chucking 10s of millions of dollars at the bidens when Joe was VP it might be worth stating it.

 

So far, not one single person has accounted for the payments and the need for webs of LLCs, only to use censorship to quash discussion and falsely. Funny you have actual corruption, treason even and you ignore it to obsess of someone having a fling with a porn star decades ago. Just no logic in play there whatsoever.

[newnative]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:55 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

The whole point was to prevent him from becoming President. Now the real jury delivered their landslide verdict on Nov 5th, I suspect this bent judge is just doing this so he can keep the gag orders in place to stop Trump truthbombing on his truth social about the judges bribes by proxy thanks to bringing this nonsensical case.

 

I wouldn't call 49.9% of the vote vs. 48.3% a 'landslide'.  Once again, out of 3 tries, Trump failed to reach 50%.

[Skeptic7]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:45 PM, Jingthing said:

In your opinion. Hardly everyone's opinion.

The fact remains he will enter his second term both an instant LAME DUCK and a convicted felon.

He is certainly a lame-brain and has the first name of a duck❗🤣

[SunnyinBangrak]

17 minutes ago, newnative said:

I wouldn't call 49.9% of the vote vs. 48.3% a 'landslide'.  Once again, out of 3 tries, Trump failed to reach 50%.

You don't understand the electoral collage system vs outright vote counts, and how that affects campaigning? Its ok many biden bros here dont either

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13 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Still clinging to the years ago debunked narrative the laptop was Russian disinfo? Hunter has already confirmed its his btw. If you explained why the Chinese, Russians, Romanians and Ukrainians were chucking 10s of millions of dollars at the bidens when Joe was VP it might be worth stating it.

 

So far, not one single person has accounted for the payments and the need for webs of LLCs, only to use censorship to quash discussion and falsely. Funny you have actual corruption, treason even and you ignore it to obsess of someone having a fling with a porn star decades ago. Just no logic in play there whatsoever.

Even though the laptop was genuine, there was no evidence of criminal activity on it. And, no, they didn't throw tens of millions of dollars at the Bidens. They threw about 20 million at a busiinesses which Hunter Biden was part of. And he only got a fraction of that money. Another falsehood from you. And the other Biden who got money was James Biden, Joe Biden's brother.  

 

As for no one accounting for why Hunter Biden was paid so much money,  Devon Archer accounted for it very clearly: he scammed various parties into believing that he had sway with his father. 

 

As for LLC's, if they're are proof of illicit or shady activity, how about this?

What Trump's disclosure of his 500 LLCs can and can't tell us
What Trump's disclosure of his 500 LLCs can and can't tell us about his income and his businesses.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/what-trump-s-disclosure-his-500-llcs-can-can-t-n874391

 

500 LLC's! I  guess you'll agree that on the strength of that, Trump should be locked up for life?

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

The Bidens were receiving money? Which Bidens were receiving money?  Anyone with a first name of Joseph?  As for how it worked out for the left...the House Committee's efforts to implicate Joe Biden were pretty much a total failure. Some of the falsehoods they promoted persist despite being disproven. Like claiming that Joe Biden profited to the tune of $40,000 that came from the Chinese.  As James Biden testified and documented in testimony before said committee, it was repayment of a loan. Was it you who tried to promote that canard not so long ago?

You have nothing.

 

What’s next.  Joe Biden wasn’t the Big Guy?