UK Population Set to Surge to 72.5 Million by 2032, Driven by Migration

[DonniePeverley]

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Africa and India is where they can siphon people from. All the better more functional  countries have falling birthrates too. It's a race to bottom. I mention Africa because it's one of the worst most dysfunctional places on earth so why do you want their people? No one retires in Africa or barely travels there even. Same for India so why do you want their people?

 

 

Very hard to argue or have an intellectual debate with someone who has such awful ignorant views. Are you aware of how many Indian soldiers died for the UK during World War 2?

 

Let me guess your an immigrant yourself in Thailand too, rite? But that's okay.

 

Anyways you should let some love in your life. Bad people be it they be white, black, muslim, christian are awful the world over. Don't go down the gauntlet of reading to much dark media. 

 

Wish you well. 

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Most non white immigrants do not work and cost the UK billions in benefits 

Really?  The rules are very strict about legal immigrants claiming benefits.

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12 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Replacing them with Africans does nothing to fix this. It's the stupidest short-term thinking ever. Sure those people alive today will get some aid but then they lose their culture. You're sacrificing their heritage in the future for money in the present.  It's like a credit card which you pay back with blood and soil.

 

What else do you say. Liberalism is a moral disease. RIP European countries that believe this nonsense.

You should get together with some of your fellow British friends and lament the diminishment of  British culture over a traditional plate of curry.

[spidermike007]

30 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

No issues with Muslims, well the ones that don't spend their time plotting how to kill us.

In general I don't have an issue with Muslims either, but if you asked me to single out one issue with the moderate Muslims amongst us, it would be their propensity to have way more children than they need, way more children than they can afford, and way more children than the planet needs.

 

That is an issue for all of us. 

[proton]

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Really?  The rules are very strict about legal immigrants claiming benefits.

 

So why are illegals just off the boat given money every week?

[impulse]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's that same disgraceful liberal attitude that made America, Canada, and Australia nations of immigrants. Look how poorly they fared in the 20th century compared to the great success of the UK.

 

You're conveniently forgetting that there were vast tracts of cheap but farmable land available to be settled in Canada, the US and Australia.  The same policies don't work so well where land is expensive.

 

[proton]

15 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Really?  The rules are very strict about legal immigrants claiming benefits.

 

Not only non whites at it, this lot stole over 50 million in benefits

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

4 minutes ago, proton said:

 

So why are illegals just off the boat given money every week?

I was referring to legal immigrants, not asylum seekers.

[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean all those lawyers, financiers, educational professionals, and health care workers are being outcompeted by immigrants?

 

Not the professions I would have chosen as examples. 😆

 

But in any case, undercut would be more accurate than outcompeted.

 

Supply and demand. When supply of labour is plentiful, salaries tend to reduce. That's why big business supports mass immigration, it reduces their labour costs.

 

Great for large corporations. Not so good for the average working man who might find himself replaced by someone prepared to work for a pittance. Still, the average working man is hardly of concern for the "modern" Labour party, it's not 1970.  

[Caldera]

Set to surge, mostly by undesirables however. I'd call that a hostile takeover or an invasion. 

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1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

You're conveniently forgetting that there were vast tracts of cheap but farmable land available to be settled in Canada, the US and Australia.  The same policies don't work so well where land is expensive.

 

Let's take Canada as an example Here's a charting showing percentage of immigrants in Canada's population:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/12-581-x/2022001/sec2-eng.htm

 

And here's a chart showing what percentage of the population over time works in agriculture:

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/employment-in-agriculture-percent-of-total-employment-wb-data.html#:~:text=Employment in agriculture (% of total employment) (modeled ILO estimate,compiled from officially recognized sources.

 

Given that agricultural productivity has grown hugely over time, do you think that the case would be different for other developed countries?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

There's another one of those cherries. Perhaps it's the dire conditions brough on by unvetted immigration that's causing the low birthrate?

 

Happy people who are confident of the future are more likely to have more kids.  Immigrants that just came from a 3rd world craphole are very confident of their future in the UK. It's much better than where they just were.

 

Native Brits that see depressed wages, housing shortages and more crime aren't all that confident.  So fewer kids.

 

You write that up, you might get a Nobel Prize for your insights.

 

I’m not saying you will but it’s worth a try.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, jippytum said:

You fail to note the difference between illegal immigration and legal migration important difference. 

That’s a fair point, so let’s take it on board:

 

The vast majority of immigrants are legally in the country. 

 

“Immigrants without legal status are only a small fraction of the total immigrant population in most rich countries.

For example, just 7% of immigrants in the United Kingdom lack legal status. It’s 4% in Germany and less than 2% in the Netherlands.”

 

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/most-immigrants-in-high-income-countries-have-legal-status#:~:text=Immigrants without legal status are,than 2% in the Netherlands.

[proton]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I was referring to legal immigrants, not asylum seekers.

 

Legal immigrants are just the same, dozens of examples of recent fraud, not only easy to claim but simple to claim in multiple ID's, wife's claiming as single mothers when they are not, people pretending to be disabled. The UK benefit system is a joke, and a very expensive one

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Legal immigrants are just the same, dozens of examples of recent fraud, not only easy to claim but simple to claim in multiple ID's, wife's claiming as single mothers when they are not, people pretending to be disabled. The UK benefit system is a joke, and a very expensive one

Is it only immigrants doing this or are there ‘native British born’ scroungers at it too?

 

 

[proton]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is it only immigrants doing this or are there ‘native British born’ scroungers at it too?

 

 

 

True, so we don't need the foreigners doing it as well do we

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

 

True, so we don't need the foreigners doing it as well do we

It won’t get fixed by the likes of you pointing at immigrants and ignoring the far bigger problem of fraud across the whole of society.

[Tiger1980]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve got a wild imagination Jonny.

 

How about waiting with your broken pelvis and refusing treatment or assistance from any doctor, nurse health professional who isn’t ‘native British born and bred’?

That would show ‘em!

 

And why do we not have native born Dr’s and Nurses. Because successive government have decided to steal these professionals from abroad as it’s cheaper than training our own people. 
We do in fact have a ready supply of native students wanting to be trained in these professions, unfortunately their potential skills are being ignored, and this is very disheartening for our young people.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

And why do we not have native born Dr’s and Nurses. Because successive government have decided to steal these professionals from abroad as it’s cheaper than training our own people. 
We do in fact have a ready supply of native students wanting to be trained in these professions, unfortunately their potential skills are being ignored, and this is very disheartening for our young people.

There boldness to be more doctors, nurses and health professionals trained I the UK, but that’s not going to fix todays shortage.

[Tiger1980]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

As did most of the people who migrated to the UK.

If you don’t believe me google it.

 

Only 5% of migrants are unemployed in the UK. 95% are paying taxes to prop up the aging white population.

 

You have been dog whistled.

Wrong, only last night it was shown on British T.V that 18% of the male Pakistani population in the UK are receiving unemployment benefits, this figure raises to 29% for the female Pakistanis.

The same sort of figures are applicable for other immigrant groups.

[Tiger1980]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I came for the free food at the temples and the beaches.

 

But I am sure you would agree that a lot of our compatriots are sexpats. Do you think many of the much maligned expats to the UK settled there for our women?

Well it would seem that many of the Muslims in places like Rotherham and Rochdale

did indeed migrate to the UK to take advantage of the vulnerable young white girls.

[Tiger1980]

5 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

What's the problem with non white immigration ? 

 

Incidentally ... 

 

The white population in London is 55% by the governments statisitcs. A further 15-20 percent are Europeans from Spain, France, european union countries  (who are not classed as whites). 

 

If you go to cities further north, like Sunderland ... the white population is close to 98%. 

 

But what's the issue you have?

 

For example, the Sikh population in the UK are brilliant people. They work hard, contribute, very low crime, provide free food at their temples. 

The polish population are another group that work so hard, brilliant people. 

 

What's the issue you have?

 

 

 

With Muslims who are mostly unwilling to assimilate, instead they are trying to change our country to be like the country they left. 

[Tiger1980]

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There boldness to be more doctors, nurses and health professionals trained I the UK, but that’s not going to fix todays shortage.

True that’s why I stated that successive British governments have failed to take the bull by the horn. We have tens of thousand of highly educated students who wish to become Dr , but unfortunately they have been let down by our incompetent politicians.

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

With Muslims who are mostly unwilling to assimilate, instead they are trying to change our country to be like the country they left. 

Putting aside that remarkable claim, do you think the rightwing Muslim/Islam hysteria aids or discourages British Muslims integrating to wider society?

 

 

[DonniePeverley]

7 hours ago, proton said:

 

Most non white immigrants do not work and cost the UK billions in benefits 

 

 

Shameful comment. Worst thing is, i don't even know if you are serious.

 

Immigrants who come into the UK legally are not allowed any benefits, not allowed any free NHS (they have to pay a fee in advance before arriving in the UK) for 5 years. 

 

The governments own statistics (pretty much mach up the American population) that the most sucecsssful nationalities in education and post graduation in the UK are the Chinese community (including Hong Kong), followed by the Indian community. 

 

The vast majority on benefits in the UK are white working population, including single mothers, on the sick, not working. Then you have other benefits including pensions. 

 

 

 

[DonniePeverley]

2 hours ago, Tiger1980 said:

With Muslims who are mostly unwilling to assimilate, instead they are trying to change our country to be like the country they left. 

 

 

Just like the Brits in Thailand, really making an effort to learn Thai and assimilate aren't they, when you get them away from enclaves of Pattaya British bars, sex visitors etc 

 

Or the Brits in Spain, reading their daily Mail and british breakfasts, not speaking a word of Spanish.

 

Or the Brits now living in Dubai, not speaking a word of Arabic, but happy to live under Sharia Law. 

 

Bless 

[Tiger1980]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside that remarkable claim, do you think the rightwing Muslim/Islam hysteria aids or discourages British Muslims integrating to wider society?

 

 

I think they have brought it on themselves resulting in a backlash from the native population which in turn has probably resulted in moderate Muslims thinking they have been discriminated against.

What needs now if it’s not already to late, is for those moderate Muslims to speak out loudly in condemning the fanatics in their community along with the Rape gangs.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Tiger1980 said:

I think they have brought it on themselves resulting in a backlash from the native population which in turn has probably resulted in moderate Muslims thinking they have been discriminated against.

What needs now if it’s not already to late, is for those moderate Muslims to speak out loudly in condemning the fanatics in their community along with the Rape gangs.

There you go with your sweeping generalizations again.

 

Oh and:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-23087686

https://mcb.org.uk/mcb-we-need-truth-and-action-against-child-sexual-abuse-gangs-not-a-racist-witch-hunt/

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/28/imamas-500-mosques-denounce-grooming

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go with your sweeping generalizations again.

 

Oh and:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-23087686

https://mcb.org.uk/mcb-we-need-truth-and-action-against-child-sexual-abuse-gangs-not-a-racist-witch-hunt/

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/28/imamas-500-mosques-denounce-grooming

From your 11 year old Guardian link:

 

"Imams in 500 mosques across Britain will on Friday give the same sermon denouncing the grooming and sexual abuse of children.

The co-ordinated effort follows the convictions of Muslim men in British courts for a series of horrific cases. Organisers say it is the first time that so many imams will deliver the same sermon before hundreds of congregations."

 

It didn't work.

[Tiger1980]

14 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Shameful comment. Worst thing is, i don't even know if you are serious.

 

Immigrants who come into the UK legally are not allowed any benefits, not allowed any free NHS (they have to pay a fee in advance before arriving in the UK) for 5 years. 

 

The governments own statistics (pretty much mach up the American population) that the most sucecsssful nationalities in education and post graduation in the UK are the Chinese community (including Hong Kong), followed by the Indian community. 

 

The vast majority on benefits in the UK are white working population, including single mothers, on the sick, not working. Then you have other benefits including pensions. 

 

 Correct up to a point, however while it’s true that the white population do in fact make most claims, this is not surprising as they make up most of the population. Regarding pensioners what you state is not correct unless you accept the politicians attempt to include self paid for pensions as a benefit.