Wake Up! - EVs Are Here, and Your Gas Guzzler is on Life Support

[richard_smith237]

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I am not pro or anti EV either, although I have been labeled as a hater by some of the more fervent EV supporters. I have no problem in accepting EV's have considerable advantages in performance and fuel costs, whether it's at a public charger or home. Having solar is icing on the cake.

 

The same here - just just difficult to have a health coverstation without being accused of one thing or another...  I've been accused of being an EV hater for presenting fair facts when being an EV owner !!! - which ticked me but highlight the strength of bias some carry....

I've been assused of being an EV fan boy because I like the convenience of home charging and never having to go to a petrol station....

 

Don't get me wrong - I drove a Ferrari last lear and probably consumed my monthly electricity bill in fuel !!!!...     then I got in my EV and and it was nearly as fast... ( no where near really but surprised the shyte out of me).

 

 

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The only time I have had real range anxiety was when I traveled between Nymagee and Cobar (77 km ) in a Ford with a 4 litre engine that consumed petrol like an alcoholic with free booze, and the tank was showing a quarter full. No aircon, and 40 C heat. I probably got there on tank fumes.

 

I drive our EV on sport mostly because I'm a d!ck and still like the acceleration...      then my Wife tells me to grow up, and switch it back to Eco cos she wants a softer ride with more range....  I comply then realise I mis-read her intentions !!!).....

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

My gas guzzler is eight years old and still going strong. Still looks and drives good and will probably out last me. 

 

Bangkok to Chiang Mai as fast as radar permits on one tank. 

[metisdead]

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[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I take it the brown logos are gasoline, the green are EV chargers.

 

There doesn't seem to be anything on the 118 between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai, unless I am wrong about the colors.

 

Brown are CCS2 - Fast chargers usually about 150kw - that will give you a slot boost in 20 mins... (i.e. us it gives about 30-80kWh in about 20 mins).

 

Type 2 are slower chargers and wold take a few hours to charge - more like something you'll hook into when going to a restaurant or over knighting a hotel etc.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, metisdead said:

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Thank-you - that was my request - I'd left my CAR ID and Name on the Screenshot of the Plugshare screen print...

 

Here you go Laciest - that info again... (personal data redacted)

 

Brown chargers - fast tupe CCS2 (20 mins should see you from 30-80kWh range)

Green Chargers the slower Type 2 (much longer - better for over night stuff.

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Very true….   
 

In about 4 months ( not really sure ) of EV ownership we’ve only ‘charged’ ( quick top up ) outside of home 3 times….  
Conversely, before that we’d fill up an ICE about 6x per month. 
 

 

That’s an approximate 8 to 1 ratio….

 

Sadly, we use to fill up about weekly ourselves, ฿800-฿1300 a week.  Our last ICEV, owned 2 years, so about ฿100k for petrol, and shy of 40k kms.  Our present car, also just over 2 yrs old, and about same kms, is the BEV version of that  same car (MG ZS), and most charging done at home, with Solar.  

 

Lots of hours saved, since no weekly  petrol stop, along with lots of many.  Smoother, quieter, and better performing ride.

[richard_smith237]

One thing the surprised me....  I used to have some decent cars... sports cars, V8, high performance cars... etc... I was into them...     Last 15 years I kind stopped caring... 

 

... the one think about the EV's is the speed...     Thats fun !!! no comparable ICE does the same thing.

Thats a positive plus... and plenty of fun.

[richard_smith237]

23 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Sadly, we use to fill up about weekly ourselves, ฿800-฿1300 a week.  Our last ICEV, owned 2 years, so about ฿100k for petrol, and shy of 40k kms.  Our present car, also just over 2 yrs old, and about same kms, is the BEV version of that  same car (MG ZS), and most charging done at home, with Solar.  

 

Lots of hours saved, since no weekly  petrol stop, along with lots of many.  Smoother, quieter, and better performing ride.

 

Agreed.... thats one of the definiate facets often overlooked looked in the 'filling up debate... 

 

In a regular 'few months' (say 24) with an EV it costs me no extra time to plug in the car at home. 

In a regular 'few monhts' (say 24) with an ICE it costs me about 4 hours extra time (assuming 24 fill ups at approximately 10 minutes each)... 

 

That 4 hours is still not offet by the 20-30min top up on a road trip... on fact there wold ned to be approximately 8 x 20-30min top ups on a road trips over 8 months for that to compare. 

 

And I think theres the balance - from a timing / convenience perspective alone, for some it may be better for some its worse - it simply depends on usage.... 

 

....  and that... 'usage' is the primary and most common sense deciding factor from which to make a decision one all the noise, unhinged bias and bigotry, ego, misinformation and outright lies have been silenced by...   real information. 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed.... thats one of the definiate facets often overlooked looked in the 'filling up debate... 

 

In a regular 'few months' (say 24) with an EV it costs me no extra time to plug in the car at home. 

In a regular 'few monhts' (say 24) with an ICE it costs me about 4 hours extra time (assuming 24 fill ups at approximately 10 minutes each)... 

 

That 4 hours is still not offet by the 20-30min top up on a road trip... on fact there wold ned to be approximately 8 x 20-30min top ups on a road trips over 8 months for that to compare. 

 

And I think theres the balance - from a timing / convenience perspective alone, for some it may be better for some its worse - it simply depends on usage.... 

 

....  and that... 'usage' is the primary and most common sense deciding factor from which to make a decision one all the noise, unhinged bias and bigotry, ego, misinformation and outright lies have been silenced by...   real information. 

 

 

 

How far did your old car go on a fill-up? 

 

How does in take no time to plug in and unplug the car at home? While is does not seem like a big deal. it's not nothing. 

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed.... thats one of the definiate facets often overlooked looked in the 'filling up debate... 

 

In a regular 'few months' (say 24) with an EV it costs me no extra time to plug in the car at home. 

In a regular 'few monhts' (say 24) with an ICE it costs me about 4 hours extra time (assuming 24 fill ups at approximately 10 minutes each)... 

 

That 4 hours is still not offet by the 20-30min top up on a road trip... on fact there wold ned to be approximately 8 x 20-30min top ups on a road trips over 8 months for that to compare. 

 

And I think theres the balance - from a timing / convenience perspective alone, for some it may be better for some its worse - it simply depends on usage.... 

 

....  and that... 'usage' is the primary and most common sense deciding factor from which to make a decision one all the noise, unhinged bias and bigotry, ego, misinformation and outright lies have been silenced by...   real information. 

And when we do charge up on the road, it's usually after a 3+ hour drive, and we're in no hurry to get back on the road.   Even if in an ICEV, we'd still be at the station for 20+ mins, since having to stay with the car 10 of those, while topping up with petrol.   Now with a dog, usually there 30 mins, and the car is done charging, about the same time we're done relaxing.

[KhunLA]

31 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How far did your old car go on a fill-up? 

 

How does in take no time to plug in and unplug the car at home? While is does not seem like a big deal. it's not nothing. 

ICEV & BEV have about the same range, which is dictated, hopefully be my bladder, and not the wifes, so 3+ hrs.   Kms don't even play a part, as usually could go another 60+ kms, before actually needing to top up.

 

Might take 30 secs to plug in, if that, and same, if not less, to unplug.  If I use the wall charger instead of granny charger, might take 10 secs longer.  Yes, it's that simple.

[KhunLA]

I was wrong ... takes 11 secs, from 15 to 26 sec mark.   But but but, I had trouble taking the cap off, so 2 secs doesn't count 

@Yellowtail

 

 

[motdaeng]

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Probably because I have never bothered to look for them, or fuel pumps either.

i completely agree with you. you never even bothered to look for them, but then you claim and argue that there is only one charging station. that says a lot about your point of view on electric vehicles ...

 

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

There's no charging station between Doi Saket and Mae Kachan, and that's a lot of hill climbing.

i did some research: doi saket to mae kachan is about 30 km, and according to google, there are no petrol stations along the way. if your petrol car has only 50 km of range left on a hilly road, only a fool wouldn't fill up before the drive. it's the same with an electric car .... charge it before you go, as simple as that ... 

 

 

 

people who are against electric vehicles desperately try to create reasons to support their viewpoint, often using completely baseless claims.

 

what these people don’t understand ... and absolutely refuse to accept ... is that using an electric car is for some parts different from a traditional gas-powered vehicle. if you want to keep up with the times, you have to be able to adapt and stay open to new things ...

 

sometimes i wonder how these people managed past transitions, like going from postal service to fax machines to email, or from landlines to mobile phones and then to smartphones, or even from handwriting to typewriters to computers ...

[motdaeng]

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

A Polestar EV has crossed the Nullabor, traveling between Perth and Sydney. Just under 4000 km.

 

It was accompanied by a truck with a diesel generator on board, for recharging when necessary.

 

It was quite environmentally friendly, both the truck and generator were fueled with recycled frying oil.

 

please provide a link for your claim. the link may explain what or who might be behind this absurd action ...  thanks.

 

this entire trip with an ev around australia, covering 13,554 km, took only 10 days!

https://thedriven.io/2023/12/15/record-broken-as-ev-enthusiast-rocks-around-australia-in-just-10-days/

[gargamon]

11 hours ago, UWEB said:

Yeah, I guess Adolf Musk will have some problems to sell his TeSSla Cars in the future.

Already happened.

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-2024-drop-electric-vehicles-69af17c4e606625694af8293db25b2f3

[JBChiangRai]

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO you are missing the point. As the ratio of EV's to ICE's changes, one would expect fuel stations to be closing, yes?

 

Also, any EV owner would be looking for a public charger when they are 200 - 300 km away from home, yes?

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

They will if they are 200-300 km away from home.

 

 

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

About every 2-3 months, I travel between Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai to visit friends. About 200 km.

 

I usually refuel going back at Doi Saket. There are about a dozen fuel pumps at the station, and a single EV charger.

 

So what do you do in that situation if a couple of EV's are waiting there before you to be charged? Drink coffee for an hour?

 

I have no doubt EV's are much cheaper to run, and most owners refuel at home. However, on the road, permit me to doubt they are as convenient to refuel as an ICE.

 

If I did run out of fuel on the road, a jerry can solves the problem. An EV, the only option is a tow truck, unless you want to cart a portable generator around with you.

 

Life support for gas guzzlers? Not in my lifetime.

 

Most fuel stations will end up closing as the requirement for fast EV charging stations is much smaller.  

 

Fast EV charging stations will mostly be on highways for people traveling inter-city, there will be a few in town too, but probably less than 5% or thereabouts of current gas stations as there is no market for them.

 

I travel between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai every 2-3 weeks.  My EV can get there and back without requiring a stop to refuel.  There are currently 3 fast EV charging stations that I know of between those two cities and dozens of slow charging stations at coffee shops, shops, restaurants and hotels.

 

Choosing Chiang Rai & Chiang Mai as representative pairs is not a good comparison. Most people will start off with a full tank of electrons and even the EV with the shortest range will not stop to charge on the way, certainly neither I nor my daughters ever have with our 2 EV's.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

please provide a link for your claim. the link may explain what or who might be behind this absurd action ...  thanks.

 

this entire trip with an ev around australia, covering 13,554 km, took only 10 days!

https://thedriven.io/2023/12/15/record-broken-as-ev-enthusiast-rocks-around-australia-in-just-10-days/

Look it up yourself, I don't have the time.

 

The Nullabor Plain is 1200 km long. This was at a time when recharging stations did not exist in that region.

[Denim]

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Oh goody, my Vios is 19 yo.

 

Mine is 22 years old. Still sound and super reliable.

 

I was back in the UK for 6 weeks in 2023 and used only public transport. I enjoyed it. Things had improved while I had been away. Each bus stop has a screen telling you where exactly the next bus currently is and it's ETA. The timetable was actually accurate not a work of fiction like it was in my youth. So , leave the house, walk to the bus stop and here comes the bus bang on time. Go to upper deck and admire the view of the coastline for 20 minutes. Get off in town , no hassle parking.

 

It was an eye opener as to what humans can achieve when they get their act together.

[motdaeng]

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[jimmybcool]

Having read this thread I think there is a common ground consensus. 

 

For saving the earth public transit is better and nations could improve there.

 

There is a place for both EV and ICE currently

 

I myself like larger vehicles.  In the states.  If I moved here with the tiny roads in Pattaya I would scale down size and cost to something like a Toyota Corolla.  EV would be fine.  In the US I have a BMW X5 ICE which is a mid/large SUV.  4 years old.  Dealership emailed an offer to come test drive the new iX which is about the same size and type vehicle only all electric.  So I did.  Holy <deleted>.  Liked it a lot.  Still, withe less than 28K miles on my current ride no sale.  I don't drive enough for any fuel savings to appear for about 25 years. 

 

 

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

7 hours ago, gargamon said:

Already happened.

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-2024-drop-electric-vehicles-69af17c4e606625694af8293db25b2f3

 

To describe Elon Musk as a Nazi is ridiculous.

 

The Nazi's made excellent cars.

[CallumWK]

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Most fuel stations will end up closing

 

Sorry, this is not the jokes forum

[JBChiangRai]

15 hours ago, Lacessit said:

 

There's no charging station between Doi Saket and Mae Kachan, and that's a lot of hill climbing.

 

 

Don't forget, your battery state of charge increases as you come down after hill-climbing as kinetic energy is converted back to electricity and ultimately chemical energy in your battery.

 

There are a few of slow AC chargers between Doi Saket and Mae Kachan at coffee shops.  There is a fast charger just before Mae Kachan at the large services with KFC and another 12km past that, a further one near Mae Suai.

 

I have never needed to use any of them.

[connda]

I doubt it.  Especially in third-world countries like Thailand.  Here's reality: How do you force an entire population to purchase new EVs?
The average citizens of Thailand is a debt-slave whose credit is already overextended to the breaking point, which in turn is over-extending the viability of Thai banks and financial institutions?

The answer?  They can't. 

At this point Thailand doesn't even have the infrastructure to handle EVs.  Gas stations rein.  EV charging stations don't.  So sure, the government can eventually outlaw ICE vehicles and petrol, but in the process they'll collapse their economies and society to boot.  ICE and EVs will both be sharing the roads in 2035 and beyond.  Slowly - not by government edict but by consumer choice, especially if new EV are cheaper than ICE vehicles to purchase and operate - then perhaps the majority of citizens eventually will own EVs.  Ain't happening anytime soon without tanking the world economies. And if we have a major X-Class CME in the meantime (we're historically way over-due for "The Big One Carrington-style) then all bets are off the table.

[connda]

23 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Many expats, particularly those over 50, remain fiercely loyal to familiar brands. Toyota?

I remain fiercely loyal to cost/quality.  I could give a rip about driving a status symbol. I drive a Suzuki Celerio.  High quality engineering, 50+ mpg, $10,000 price tag which I paid cash.  For what most people pay for their cars, I can buy his and her Celerios.  For what the HiSo wannabes pay for their status symbols?  I can buy the entire extended family their own Celerio. 

All of these vehicles have one primary purpose: To get you from point A to point B.  What do you need a ฿2,000,000+ THB vehicle for (or even a ฿1,000,000 THB vehicle) is beyond me.

However with all that said?  If the Celerio finally reaches it expiration date, I'll consider a BYD. I can buy this one cash too. Nice looking rig.

"Chinese EV are all s*** made by Chinese slaves who all poop in the streets!  Arrrgggghhhh!"
"Of course - well, buy a Tesla then.  Made in the USA (not really - made in Shanghai, China - but don't tell the racists)

[connda]

45 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

To describe Elon Musk as a Nazi is ridiculous.

 

The Nazi's made excellent cars.

My first car was Herr Hitler's People's Car!  I could do all the engine work myself, drove like forever!  It's probably still being driven by some hippie pot farmer in Humboldt County, NorCal.

[connda]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I was wrong ... takes 11 secs, from 15 to 26 sec mark.   But but but, I had trouble taking the cap off, so 2 secs doesn't count 

@Yellowtail

 

 

That's cute.  100%. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Don't forget, your battery state of charge increases as you come down after hill-climbing as kinetic energy is converted back to electricity and ultimately chemical energy in your battery.

 

There are a few of slow AC chargers between Doi Saket and Mae Kachan at coffee shops.  There is a fast charger just before Mae Kachan at the large services with KFC and another 12km past that, a further one near Mae Suai.

 

I have never needed to use any of them.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics says you won't get as much energy back as you have expended, although it's probably not a significant loss.

 

I guess if I was driving an EV, I would want to know where the chargers are. I can't say I have looked for them, not driving an EV.

 

I have driven from Chiang Rai to Chiang Mai and back again in the same day, started by topping up in Chiang Rai. I did the trip there and back without refueling. In a Mazda 2.

 

Can you do that?

[richard_smith237]

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How does in take no time to plug in and unplug the car at home? While is does not seem like a big deal. it's not nothing. 

 

Quicker than it took you to write that daft comment..... 

What next, how long does it take you step out of the car and close the door ????

 

Pathetic Yellowtail - stick with the sensible stuff.

[richard_smith237]

15 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I was wrong ... takes 11 secs, from 15 to 26 sec mark.   But but but, I had trouble taking the cap off, so 2 secs doesn't count 

 

Reckon I could do it in 4 seconds 'cos I don't have the bond villain limp !!!... 

 

Seriously though - these are the kind of ridiculous comments and stray rabbit holes some fools try and take us down in these discussions....   did they ever consider how long it takes to 'take off the petrol filler cap' etc....   Its just so pathetic to even go down that road.... 

 

 

But - props to you @KhunLA for entertaining the stupidity of all this in an entertaining way...