Angela Rayner’s Plan for Islamophobia Council Sparks Free Speech Concerns

[PomPolo]

I can happily say I don't have any Muslim friends, it's not that I don't want any Muslim friends, its just they are such a self-isolated community in general they have no interest in integrating with non-Muslims either, however if we approached things that way we would be banged up on some 'stupid cow' initiated Islamophobia charge in the future, the country has gone to sht.

[Sir Dude]

Won't be long before the far-left in the UK manage to create the Islamic Caliphate of Britain anyhow... get out whilst you still can. The UK is shot on so many fronts and rapidly heading down the toilet... but hey, if you are a champagne socialist, who cares?

[John Drake]

The logical end result of so-called hate speech laws and restrictions. You either have free speech or you don't. Looks like the UK doesn't.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

3 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

It's about protecting minorities. I welcome it. 

 

Why should we let skinheads and racists destroy the society we have in the UK. The muslim population are not going away. So it's best we harmonise and live together. 

 

There were a raft of laws, that quite rightly protected the Jewish community too. This is about time needed. 

 

If you are a racist i can see why it would annoy you. But tough, there was an election in which Labour talked about these measures. Vote Farage and his 5 MP's , including someone who beat his girlfriend up. 

 

 

 

“It's about protecting minorities. I welcome it”

 

… no it’s not; it is about prioritising a specific minority for their voting block, and consequently marginalising the majority. The UK has operated without a blasphemy law for hundreds of years. 

 

 

“There were a raft of laws, that quite rightly protected the Jewish community too”

 

… is that why thousands of Islamists and their metropolitan stooges have been allowed to march through the UK’s cities every week for more than a year calling for the eradication of all Jews ?

 

 

 

“If you are a racist i can see why it would annoy you”

 

Islam is not a race, thought you might have researched that before posting.

 

 

[proton]

13 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Won't be long before the far-left in the UK manage to create the Islamic Caliphate of Britain anyhow... get out whilst you still can. The UK is shot on so many fronts and rapidly heading down the toilet... but hey, if you are a champagne socialist, who cares?

 

I left Leicester when the 70th mosque opened up. First in was the call to pray once a day, then twice then 5 times a day. Muted noise at first ended up with the racket being blasted out, give them an inch and they start to take over. Anyone opposing them is a bigoted Islamophobe of course.

[PomPolo]

Also I didnt say I don't like Muslims these guys are super cool 🤣

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I'd define it as a dislike/fear for people that stab/rape/groom white people and their children.

I agree.

 

But let’s keep it to disliking/fearing the actual individuals who have stabbed/raped and groomed children.

 

[proton]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I agree.

 

But let’s keep it to disliking/fearing the actual individuals who have stabbed/raped and groomed children.

 

 

As well as the fake prophet, whose life and rantings they live by

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

The logical end result of so-called hate speech laws and restrictions. You either have free speech or you don't. Looks like the UK doesn't.

That’s an illogical conclusion.

No law can prevent you saying what you want.

 

Laws are already I place that dispense consequences for certain forms of hate speech.

 
This proposal aims to define Islamophobia, a definition you yourself have struggled with.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sir Dude]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This proposal aims to define Islamophobia, a definition you yourself have struggled with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, where's the balance for hate against Christians or Bhuddists? Oh, yeah, there isn't. Doesn't fly, I'm afraid. Just more far-left BS.

[John Drake]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s an illogical conclusion.

No law can prevent you saying what you want.

 

Laws are already I place that dispense consequences for certain forms of hate speech.

 
This proposal aims to define Islamophobia, a definition you yourself have struggled with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

fiddledeedee

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

 

So, where's the balance for hate against Christians or Bhuddists? Oh, yeah, there isn't. Doesn't fly, I'm afraid. Just more far-left BS.

 

A bit of sullen grievance whataboutary on your part.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

fiddledeedee

If you are going to post a claim of a logical end, do at least try to make your claim logical.

[JonnyF]

She'd be better off creating a council to tackle anti-semitism, but that might be a bit awkward given Labour's history.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_British_Labour_Party

[Sir Dude]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

A bit of sullen grievance whataboutary on your part.

 

 

 

 

Ah, our resident far-left champagne socialist chimes in with the usual dismissive supercillious answer... not even an attempt to answer. Lol... showing yourself up with that one.

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

 

Ah, our resident far-left champagne socialist chimes in with the usual dismissive supercillious answer... not even an attempt to answer. Lol... showing yourself up with that one.

Resorting to a personal attack doesn’t help you out.

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I think it's still OK to dislike or fear such people.

 

It's only if you come out and actually say it that it becomes a problem.

 

Only safe until AI makes it possible for them to sniff out wrongthink.  

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

She'd be better off creating a council to tackle anti-semitism, but that might be a bit awkward given Labour's history.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_British_Labour_Party

The proposal is to determine a definition of Islamophobia.

 

The UK has already adopted a definition of Antisemitism.

[proton]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The proposal is to determine a definition of Islamophobia.

 

The UK has already adopted a definition of Antisemitism.

 

But Islamophobia does not exist

[DonniePeverley]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

But Islamophobia does not exist

 

 

Oh dear .... no point arguing with these people. 

[DonniePeverley]

7 hours ago, connda said:

How about a council on Christianphobia or Anglophobia? 

 

 

In some Indian states there has been moves to protects Christians and Catholics - where it is a minority religion. 

 

It's just about protecting minorities. What's wrong with that? Your racism and xenophobia can go to hell. 

 

Not every muslim is a terrorist or an idiot. Every religion, race, colour creed has good and bad people in it. 

 

We have laws to protect the Jewish community, quite rightly. Very strict laws infact. Nothing wrong with protecting the muslim community too, especially when a few idiots amongst them tarnish their whole religion and allow racists to use it against them. 

 

Anytime there is an incident, a shooting, anything my muslim friends panic in fear that a random Bob from Pattaya will now start attacking them if it is some idiot being an idiot using their religion. Why should they live in fear like that of taking abuse when it is nothing to do with them?

 

Bob from Pattaya never mentions the IRA, or other horrific regimes that went on. Infact he is known to do a Nazi salute despite their horrific crimes. 

 

Sorry if Bob sitting in a Pattaya bar feels it may infringe on his rites to be racist. Tell you what ... try attacking Budhism in Thailand, see how well it goes for you. Try saying something against the Jewish community. But you won't because you will get into a little bit of trouble. 

 

 

[DonniePeverley]

5 hours ago, PomPolo said:

 

Fair point on the 5 seats on the Reform party currently hold but given the current polling if they held an election tomorrow he would be the UK's next prime minister so possibly turn down a little your left wing socialist views and accept the change that you can't fight and will inevitably happen in the UK.

 

 

 

You have no idea how UK voting representative system works. Farage on some very dodgy polls is doing well in very small samples, but when translated into seats it brings him up to 20 seats. People in the UK vote for constituencies. He has support in some regions, but to win seats and hold a majority you need to win seats around the country, run from the middle and for him he hasn't captured the centre vote.

 

His flagship policy of Brexit was a disaster, and people will not trust him as much. 

 

Let's see how well he does at the local elections coming up, where usually a protest vote will kick in. 

 

The next UK election is in 4 and half years time. 

 

He has no chance of getting into power despite the nonsense you will be reading in twitter. 

[Denim]

Taking a step back and looking at the global situation it would be easy to come to the conclusion that the biggest islamaphobes are Muslims themselves.

 

Several Islamic countries have either just gone through a period of civil war or else it is still ongoing.  Fighting other Muslims no problem. Those that have had enough want to flee to Christian democracies . Once they are settled into their new countries many want the things they have just fled from.

 

Plenty of other ethnic groups in the UK but they just integrate and get on with their lives. Not seen many Chinese takeaways getting burnt down.

 

Unfortunately for the good Muslims,  the significant number of extremists among them are spoiling it for the majority of law abiding citizens. 

[spot]

2 hours ago, Denim said:

Taking a step back and looking at the global situation it would be easy to come to the conclusion that the biggest islamaphobes are Muslims themselves.

 

Several Islamic countries have either just gone through a period of civil war or else it is still ongoing.  Fighting other Muslims no problem. Those that have had enough want to flee to Christian democracies . Once they are settled into their new countries many want the things they have just fled from.

 

Plenty of other ethnic groups in the UK but they just integrate and get on with their lives. Not seen many Chinese takeaways getting burnt down.

 

Unfortunately for the good Muslims,  the significant number of extremists among them are spoiling it for the majority of law abiding citizens. 

And 'Christian' countries (as you call them) are not currently fighting each other?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This proposal aims to define Islamophobia, a definition you yourself have struggled with.

 

Instead of criticising another poster for being unable to define Islamophobia, why don’t you simply offer the definition yourself for his edification; and if you can’t define it yourself, you should not criticise others for the same alleged flaw.

 

 

[phetphet]

21 hours ago, PomPolo said:

Definitely needs a good shag if she could keep her mouth shut for long enough - that should be a good start for her blasphemy laws and the twitter police

Ease up. Doing that is what got her pregnant at 16.

[PomPolo]

23 minutes ago, phetphet said:

Ease up. Doing that is what got her pregnant at 16.

Hahaha - he must have had a few beers 🤣

[Eloquent pilgrim]

14 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

You have no idea how UK voting representative system works. Farage on some very dodgy polls is doing well in very small samples, but when translated into seats it brings him up to 20 seats

 

 

 

Remarkable that you deride another poster for not knowing how the “UK voting representative system works” when the UK does not even have a representative system. The UK has a First Past The Post (FPTP) system. It is a much criticised Colonial era system that has been abandoned by other countries like New Zealand and Australia.

 

If you look at the results of the 2024 UK election you can see the flaws of the system compared to what we would get from proportional representation; the system allowed this result:

 

Labour … 33.7%  of votes cast ………. 411 Seats

Cons  ….  23.7%  of votes cast……….. 121 Seats

Reform …14.3%  of votes cast …………   5 Seats

Lib Dem.. 12.2%  of votes cast …………72  Seats

Green …….6.8%  of votes cast …………..4 Seats

 

Only 59.9% of the eligible electorate voted, so non voters spoke loudly, and it meant that Labour in fact, only received about 20% of the eligible votes, so 80% of the eligible electorate did not vote Labour.

 

Polls have historically proven to be very unreliable, that is a given; however, can you explain what is dodgy about the polls by YouGov and Find Out Now, or is it that you just don’t like the fact that they show a burgeoning swell of support for Reform.

 

Reform received 4 million votes (14.3%) of votes cast at the 2024 election, and I suggest it will be a lot more next time, especially if Labour push this “Blasphemy Law” through the back door.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Instead of criticising another poster for being unable to define Islamophobia, why don’t you simply offer the definition yourself for his edification; and if you can’t define it yourself, you should not criticise others for the same alleged flaw.

 

 

You did read the OP and grasp what is the purpose of the proposal it discusses?

 

But I can certainly give you some examples that I think are Islamophobic hate mongering.

 

1. Claiming without any evidence that Sharia courts/councils in the UK promote and oversee the female genital mutilations of children.

 

No evidence just pure Islamophobic hate mongering.

 

2. Claiming without any evidence that Shari councils in the UK are aware of, or approve of these procedures, thousands of them are happening every year in the UK, against UK law.”

No evidence just pure Islamophobic hate mongering.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You did read the OP and grasp what is the purpose of the proposal it discusses?

 

But I can certainly give you some examples that I think are Islamophobic hate mongering.

 

1. Claiming without any evidence that Sharia courts/councils in the UK promote and oversee the female genital mutilations of children.

 

No evidence just pure Islamophobic hate mongering.

 

2. Claiming without any evidence that Shari councils in the UK are aware of, or approve of these procedures, thousands of them are happening every year in the UK, against UK law.”

No evidence just pure Islamophobic hate mongering.

 

 

So, you cannot define what Islamophobia means; which makes your comment about the most bizarre and deflective that you have ever posted.

 

How can you possibly offer examples of a word that you cannot even define ?

 

And I take great exception if the examples you have used are referring to me, because if they are, they are totally false and I suggest you withdraw them.

 

I have had, as mentioned previously, years of interactions with many muslims in the UK, and I have been told first hand by predominately Pakistani male muslims, that their Sharia councils are fully aware of, and approve of such practices; as do the local Imams.