Why do people still believe in covid?

[Red Phoenix]

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

@Stiddle Mump

I used the Mayo clinic as an example; I could just as easily have used any number of well-respected health organisations to illustrate my point.

 

You seem like a polite sort of chap, so it would be remiss of me to call you a liar;  'misguided' is probably more apt.

 

As you disregard the overwhelming body of evidence which undermines your opinions, I can only conclude that there is little chance of me alone being able to change your mind. In the circumstances, I will take my leave of you and withdraw from any further discussion on this topic.

 

I wish you well, sir.

 

@RayC > Note that I fully endorse Stiddle Mump's view on the whole scamdemic and virus / covid-19 hoax.

But I do respect that you have a different stance on these matters.  Because 'where everybody thinks alike, very little thinking is going on'.

And kudos for your civil response to Stiddle Mump, as that provides the basis for a genuine content-related exchange of views instead of the ad-hominem replies and insults that unfortunately make up much of the 'discussion' posts on this Vaccine/Covid subForum.

[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Indeed Ray!

 

However.

 

Are you suggesting that the mayoclinic is more truthful than me? If you are then I suggest you read more of my posts. None so blind as will not see Ray. If you still don't get it; Ill spell it out for you.

 

There was no pandemic.

Covid was a giant hoax.

Pathogenic viruses do not exist.

The covid vaxxes were/are fraudulent.

 

Of course; if you are ill, go seek out a medical pro.

What a deluded and self important buffoon!

Time to get new tinfoil for your hat

[Dan O]

On 2/13/2025 at 7:54 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Three keys to understanding why there was no pandemic

Source: https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/why-do-people-still-believe-in-covid

 

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In this serious and somewhat lengthy article the authors make a strong case by providing evidence that - despite all the hysteria and 'scientific' publications - there never was a pandemic. 

After presenting their case they ask this rhetoric - and highly relevant - question:

Why is this still being ignored?

Similar to lab leak versus wet market, in 2020 we were presented with another false dichotomy about PCR tests and invited to take one of two sides - the tests are too sensitive, or they are not sensitive enough, but either way each option is framed on the supposition that a novel pathogen is in circulation. Discussion of the third option - that the tests were not picking up a new novel virus at all but were repackaging other viruses and presenting them as novel were ridiculed, ignored, suppressed and censored.

Why is this evidence still being ignored five years after the initiation of the event?

Why do people still believe in covid?

 

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That's utter nonsense and ridiculous to post misleading information like this. 

 

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

12 minutes ago, Dan O said:

That's utter nonsense and ridiculous to post misleading information like this. 

 

 

 

Yes, especially for those who had relatives and friends die during the pandemic.

[Dan O]

31 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, especially for those who had relatives and friends die during the pandemic.

Yes I caught covid (comfirm) 3 times and lost family members as well. People can debate if it came from the lab or nature all day long and that's fine. People can debate the measures taken for protection were too much or not enough. People can question why the confusing information. All valid but to claim it did not exist is a lie

[connda]

@Red Phoenix  Sweet Jesus Buddha Red, I went to Makro today and I'd estimate that 75% of the clones were masked up - freaking 5 years after Covid hit the world stage.  Talk about a bunch of psychologically damaged people.  Honestly - in the 18 years that I've lived here I've had a common cold twice and the only "flu" that I've had was the mild case of Covid, milder that most influenza cases I've had in the West.  In comparison, in the US I'd get colds and upper respiratory infections at least once a year and often twice (sometimes more), and I'm talking some real doozies.  I don't understand the irrational fear driving compulsive masking other than the Covid propaganda did a number on most Thais (and farangs for that matter too). From the standpoint of upper respiratory infections, this is about one of the most respiratory infection free places on the planet. I guess people will also blame it on "bad air" but the AQI in Lamphun is not bad all all, and out where I live SE of the city and over the mountains, it's very pleasant and clear today.  Not your average mid-February Northern Thailand AQI in the least.  So, "no," it's not the air quality.  Just freaked out people who are still freaked out.  I just don't understand and never will.  Now that RFK Jr is confirmed at head of the NHS, I hope he gets to the bottom of the Covid fiasco and we begin to get some answers regarding how it was set up and executed - you know, turning "conspiracy theory" into "conspiracy fact."  Given a long enough time line the truth is going to come out and the facts will be ugly.

[GroveHillWanderer]

21 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Correct Ray. Neither are caused by a virus,

 

Let's take the flu first. It is the name given to a set of symptoms that we humans 'suffer' with at times. Suffer, is not really the right word though. For as uncomfortable as it might be; ie, fever, cough, sneezes, tiredness, blocked nose etc. Without them we could be seriously sick in the future. They are returning the body back to good health.

 

Let me explain.

 

As I type, the body is working at keeping me in the best condition it can. Given the circumstances. What are these? The defence/maintenance system will eliminate anything it sees as unnatural, harmful or obviously toxic. It has mechanisms within to do this, The efficiency of the mechanisms depend upon various factors. Nutritious diet. Plenty of fresh water. Clean air. Free from EMFs (AMAP). Being at one with nature. Giving and accepting love. Free of fear.

 

Over the course of time, for how long, and how much, depends upon our local environment, we take in toxins. The ones associated with flu are taken in mostly through breathing. Anything we can smell is taken in. Smoke? Stuff that is in the body, also, that the blood-vascular system wants to eliminate. Can be problematic that, as the failure to eliminate can lead to cancer. Another topic for that.

 

But sticking to particles that are inhaled for the mo. Some are captured in the mucus membranes in the head. While others get no further than the fine fibrils, that the air has to pass through on its way to the lung exchange centre, where gasses swap places. If the fibrils do not take out the undesirables, then enzymes and proteins, get to work capturing, coating, and tucking them away.

 

At certain times of the year, or when the sensors say; ''enough, we are full up'', detoxification gets underway. Not always easy to deal with. Can make yer feel awful for a few days. This, in a nutshell, is influenza.

 

As for covid. Easy! There is no such thing. All made up by the white-coats.

Do you have links to any reliable source or evidence that supports this screed? 

 

If not then the claims it contains are totally baseless and as such, worthless.

[Presnock]

On 2/13/2025 at 12:56 PM, Red Phoenix said:

Because a positive PCR-test was considered 'proof' of being infected with Covid-19, irrespective of whether you had a cold or the flu or any other illness.  Also when you didn't had any symptoms.  

The PCR-test to determine Covid-19 infection, was - and still is - an absolute scam, and the article I posted makes the role of that test in fueling the pandemic hysteria, absolutely clear.

And so the title of the article should be read as 'Why is it that despite all the evidence that there was no pandemic, that people still believe in Covid?'.  

And the comments from all those that didn't even read the article with the arguments made by the authors, but immediately discarded it as a 'loony conspiracy' actually provides the answer to that rhetoric question. 

 

But just think how happy those 500+ BILLIONAIRES area that were created during that "pandemic" many in the Pharmaceutical industry!

[Ralf001]

Threads like this back '21 would get you banned from the forum !

[Red Phoenix]

7 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Threads like this back '21 would get you banned from the forum !

Very true, and I was banned back then for posting articles and studies that did not align with the 'accepted Covid/Vaccine narrative' from a so-called 'trustworthy source'.

But luckily AseanNow has finally 'grown up' and initiated 'The Off the Beaten Track' forum in which threads/posts are not censored/deleted anymore.  And so we are in a situation where AN members are now confronted with some perspectives from which they were shielded for almost 5 years.  Obviously, the first reaction by many is dismissal of those - for them - novel points of view.  This in stark contrast on how they embraced the novel jabs and covid protection measures, as the 24/7 pro-paganda for those eroded their critical thinking skills (if those were present in the first place). 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, especially for those who had relatives and friends die during the pandemic.

I am sorry for their losses, but I do not buy the 'Covid-19 pandemic'  fantasy. 

Covid-19 - to use the words of dr Vernon Coleman - was/is nothing more than the 'rebranded flu' (but a nasty one).  And the deaths were often preventable, unless you had the misfortune of getting the 'Hospital treatment' and being put on a ventilator with non-proper care.  

[scottiejohn]

20 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

dr Vernon Coleman

A geriatric journalist and so called doctor!

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

  This in stark contrast on how they embraced the novel jabs and covid protection measures, as the 24/7 pro-paganda for those eroded their critical thinking skills (if those were present in the first place). 

 

I made it through un vaxxed and un masked.

[Red Phoenix]

33 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I made it through un vaxxed and un masked.

Same for me and my girlfriend, and we didn't even catch Covid (and if we did, we didn't even notice it)

[nomad22]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Covid-19 - to use the words of dr Vernon Coleman - was/is nothing more than the 'rebranded flu' (but a nasty one). 

Nothing more than?

 

You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that the flu has been responsible for many of the most deadly pandemics in history.

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Same for me and my girlfriend, and we didn't even catch Covid (and if we did, we didn't even notice it)

 

I never caught it either.

 

I started 2023 with severe pnuemonia both lungs though...... but tested negative for the Wu Flu.

[Stiddle Mump]

5 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

What a deluded and self important buffoon!

Time to get new tinfoil for your hat

Thanks Scottie. Very informative post. Adds content  to the discussion for sure.

 

The covid virus has never been shown to exist. Plenty of papers out there that state they did things in a petri-dish; and more recently on a computer. But a virus - any virus - has not been isolated; ever. That is the first step along the scientific methodology.

 

Go look yourself.  Don't have to take my word for it. But you could do worse.

[Stiddle Mump]

8 minutes ago, nomad22 said:

Nothing more than?

 

You seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that the flu has been responsible for many of the most deadly pandemics in history.

Well! If you mean the flu virus, then I have to say; ''Utter nonsense Sir''.

 

Been reading much fiction? Or watching too much BBC and CNN?

 

As I explained to one particular poster, and any other that was paying attention. IMO, the flu is the general name given to a set - all-be-it wide ranging set - of symptoms. They are not usually a risk to the person. They are the way the body rids itself of stuff it don't want or need.

 

If you walked in the forest at certain times, you would see the leaves from trees on the ground. Billions of them. You wouldn't automatically think 'virus', would you? It's nature doing what it is supposed to do. Humans are just the same.

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

A geriatric journalist and so called doctor!

and these new world sjamans makes millions of views to make this world even more stupid. Not to forget a gift packet to Trump who soon have cleaned out everyone who is against him with help of Elon and his team. 

 

Next up, all judges who is against him, is fired. 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Well! If you mean the flu virus, then I have to say; ''Utter nonsense Sir''.

 

Been reading much fiction? Or watching too much BBC and CNN?

 

As I explained to one particular poster, and any other that was paying attention. IMO, the flu is the general name given to a set - all-be-it wide ranging set - of symptoms. They are not usually a risk to the person. They are the way the body rids itself of stuff it don't want or need.

 

If you walked in the forest at certain times, you would see the leaves from trees on the ground. Billions of them. You wouldn't automatically think 'virus', would you? It's nature doing what it is supposed to do. Humans are just the same.

another nutcase who joined last month and acts like you know the world ! 

[nomad22]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As I explained to one particular poster, and any other that was paying attention. IMO, the flu is the general name given to a set - all-be-it wide ranging set - of symptoms. They are not usually a risk to the person. They are the way the body rids itself of stuff it don't want or need.

 

If you walked in the forest at certain times, you would see the leaves from trees on the ground. Billions of them. You wouldn't automatically think 'virus', would you? It's nature doing what it is supposed to do. Humans are just the same.

 

Seriously, do you actually think this is a persuasive argument or are you just trolling with this nonsense?

[VBF]

On 2/13/2025 at 3:55 PM, RayC said:

On 2/13/2025 at 2:05 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

So was/is Dr Coleman right to say that; "Covid is the rebranded flu?"

 

The onus is on you/ Dr Coleman to supply a credible argument to support the contention.

 

Let's just say I remain unconvinced.

Nothing SO CALLED Dr Coleman is to be taken seriously.

There exists a video of him declaring that hand sanitizer is poisonous.

No I'm not going to waste my time looking for it.....like the OP it's best ignored and derided 

Mind you Coleman sold a lot of books but then so did Hans Anderson 

[Stiddle Mump]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

another nutcase who joined last month and acts like you know the world ! 

'The more I learn, the more I realise there is so much more to know'. Who said that?

 

Must get down to basics with this pandemic/covid/vorus stuff. Where is it shown to exist? It's never been isolated. If you can't find it; the claims that it is doing this, or causing that, is plainly ridiculous.

 

[Stiddle Mump]

6 minutes ago, nomad22 said:

 

Seriously, do you actually think this is a persuasive argument or are you just trolling with this nonsense?

Your take then?

 

Belief in a mysterious entity, called a virus, that has never been shown to exist.

[nomad22]

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

12 minutes ago, nomad22 said:

Seriously, do you actually think this is a persuasive argument or are you just trolling with this nonsense?

Your take then?

 

Belief in a mysterious entity, called a virus, that has never been shown to exist.

 

I will guess that you are just trolling.

[scottiejohn]

35 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The covid virus has never been shown to exist.

According to you!

End of discussion!

[Stiddle Mump]

8 minutes ago, VBF said:

Nothing SO CALLED Dr Coleman is to be taken seriously.

There exists a video of him declaring that hand sanitizer is poisonous.

No I'm not going to waste my time looking for it.....like the OP it's best ignored and derided 

Mind you Coleman sold a lot of books but then so did Hans Anderson 

Dr Coleman was right to point out about some hand sanitizers. They were/are bio-toxic. The more toxic ones should not be anywhere the skin.

 

What were people using them for? Because they were told to by idiot white-coats?

 

 

[scottiejohn]

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 Must get down to basics with this pandemic/covid/vorus stuff. Where is it shown to exist?  

 

In very well researched peer reviewed publications and hospital death/waiting lists!

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

'The more I learn, the more I realise there is so much more to know'. Who said that?

And so abused by lunatics who believe they know better than scientists, and believe so-called self called Dr's and other lunatics becasuse it makes more sense in their own world and heads. 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

In very well researched peer reviewed publications and hospital death/waiting lists!

 

The upside of covid was worldwide influenza deaths went to zero !