Pai's Deportation of International Musician Sparks Outcry

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, proton said:

 

Nothing to do with it, anyone working without a permit, over staying, or other serious law breaking are, and should be deported.

 

Were they really working though? I don't think so

[Liverpool Lou]

10 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand is just tourist unfriendly, partly caused by outdated laws.

Considering the steady increase in visitors over the last few years since Covid restrictions, which are the laws that make Thailand "tourist unfriendly"?

[Liverpool Lou]

10 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand is just tourist unfriendly, partly caused by outdated laws. There should be a revision of several laws just to make it matching with era we live in and not how it was 50-75 years back.. 

The amount of papers needed for a workpermit is terrible and the process is taking a long time...

Since when do tourists need work permits?

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, Paul52 said:

5 hours ago, proton said:

 

Nothing to do with it, anyone working without a permit, over staying, or other serious law breaking are, and should be deported.

Absolute nonsense.  It was OTT and unnecessary.  Waste of time and resources (immigration and the courts).  Dumb stupidity.

Complete nonsense; it was compliance with the law, necessary, not over the top and certainly not dumb stupidity.

[Jiggo]

4 hours ago, dpeti73 said:

So you think it’s absolutely ok performing music for money without wp?

And what about those who paid them? 

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, harleyclarkey said:

The emotional trauma and financial loss to these people, especially the musician, was totally out of proportion to this minor offence. 

You mean the emotional trauma and financial loss that they alone caused themselves?   If they had not offended they would have suffered no trauma, nor loss.

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So  , an Israeli .

Its hardly "entitled" to be annoyed because your partner is being deported 

I didn’t say she was entitled.

But now you mention it, they break the law for nearly three months and continue to do so despite a very public warning. Sounds entitled to me.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

"Why not make things easier? just by using a good computer system". A good computer system needs a bit of brainwork to use, not like writing on paper.

Gawd...

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, naka dia said:

But touring artists with guest performances should be able to perform their art, it benefits everybody because art is unique and not a "job" and performing art is not a crime.

"But touring artists with guest performances should be able to perform their art..."

Only ever said by an illegally-working "artist".

 

"Touring artists" do not "benefit everybody", by any stretch of the imagination.  Working illegally is a crime...calling it "performing art" does not decriminalise it.

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

4 hours ago, dpeti73 said:

So you think it’s absolutely ok performing music for money without wp?

Yes!

So, logically, the same should apply to every occupation, yes?

[Celsius]

Well, I have a degree in music and it never occured to me to start "teaching" or "performing" without a work permit.

 

These rules existed before I set my foot in Thailand and I respect them 

 

 

[NativeBob]

14 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

Were they really working though? I don't think so

What I see here is the lamenting case of total absence of any order and law. 

 

Ok, somebody called to local Police office. They sent "dream team" to investigate the "tip" and return with bunch of foreigners. Them were detained, passports "arrested".

Next - the chef of the office accused them of working "illegally". And then "The Fun" began!
 

Somebody decided that they are guilty (already, overnight investigation) of breaking Thai Labor Law and sentenced them to get boot. (early morning court?)

 

What a swift justice! (sure-sure)

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

I have seen countless falung musicians jamming in Thailand for nothing , usually invited on stage by the Thai bands

There is a few around my town that regularly play for nothing, and with Thais, so this if a friendly cultural exchange not an offence , unless your expecting payment.

"...this if a friendly cultural exchange not an offence , unless your expecting payment".

That would make sense if you were right, unfortunately you're not, it is an offence.  Having a Thai invite someone on stage doesn't make it ok, they don't give a fck.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, harryviking said:

"proportionality" and "logic" I guess are two words unknown to the Tai language....🙄

The irony of harryviking.

[frank83628]

Outcry is by his chick, not people in general.

Its quite ironic that an Israeli is complaining about harsh or unfair treatment by authorities of another country.

[MangoKorat]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

This occurrence brings to light mounting tensions in Pai, where an increase in foreign workers has provoked calls for rigorous enforcement of work permits, echoing local apprehensions about job competition. Thai immigration authorities, responding to these concerns, have ramped up enforcement

No mention of the additional local jobs that tourism brings then?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Outcry is by his chick, not people in general.

Its quite ironic that an Israeli is complaining about harsh or unfair treatment by authorities of another country.

 

   Now Frank , lets not turn the thread discussion into yet another "poor Palestinians" thread .

   This thread  is about foreign musicians in Thailand , Palestinians have had enough of the spotlight recently 

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, naka dia said:

 because art performances are not seen as "work"

 

If you are getting paid and make a living out of it is.

You are not so special that the rules don't apply to you.

[chrischronic]

Imagine if they targeted all the clubs, raves, and festivals around Thailand. Just Bangkok would be crazy with all the foreign DJs playing and flying in to play. 

[Surasak]

4 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

"Why not make things easier? just by using a good computer system". A good computer system needs a bit of brainwork to use, not like writing on paper.

That would depend on who is writing on the paper, and how the info on the paper is set out?

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is simply a completely ridiculous abuse of power. 

 

There are a very limited number of homegrown jazz musicians in Thailand, and foreign musicians should be honored, celebrated and welcome with open arms. 

 

At what point are we going to finally see some adults in the room who have the power to make these decisions? 

It is not an abuse of power, it is enforcement of that law, made by adults that do have that power.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, CFCol said:

Entitled Israelis up in arms? Deport the lot.

Why should all Israelis be deported?

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Now Frank , lets not turn the thread discussion into yet another "poor Palestinians" thread .

   This thread  is about foreign musicians in Thailand , Palestinians have had enough of the spotlight recently 

I was highlighting the irony. I don't really have any interest is the thread as of yet. 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, DarthChuckler said:

No, I think it is the random and corruption based enforcement.  Everyone knows you give a gift and they ignore. You don't pay and they enforce.  So even when they are acting appropriately and legally it is assumed corrupt.

Gawd...yet another "everyone knows" post.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

I was highlighting the irony. I don't really have any interest is the thread as of yet. 

 

   People will then state that Palestinians  get treated well in Israel and that will kick the discussion off it it will go way off topic .

  "Innocent woman and Children" blah blah blah ." Genocide" blah blah blah, "Famine" blah blah blah

    So, its better not to even mention it 

[Liverpool Lou]

51 minutes ago, jdstrange said:

This is basically like arresting buskers on the street or fining people for begging. 

No, it is not 'basically like' that.

[Liverpool Lou]

47 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

Were they really working though? I don't think so

Yes, they were.

[Gknrd]

I lived in Pai for a while many, many years ago. About the time they started bringing in outside agents to target the tourists.  Now with pot being legalized looks like it is a European frat house atmosphere. Thai rip offs and cons in Pai were always ramped in Pai. Hippy drug culture of years gone by taken over by greedy Thai's.  Pai has been doing this kind of stuff for decades.  Same old story different venue.  10-1 these guys were coming in to cash in on the European kids and the drug culture in Pai. And to get high in the process. Thai musicians are probably flocking to Pai for the bucks they make on the Euro kids. These guys show up and upset the apple cart. Thai musicians are pissed that they come in and are taking away their cash cow. 

[proton]

4 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

I have seen countless falung musicians jamming in Thailand for nothing , usually invited on stage by the Thai bands

There is a few around my town that regularly play for nothing, and with Thais, so this if a friendly cultural exchange not an offence , unless your expecting payment.

 

In almost 30 years and well over 1000 concerts I have never once seen foreigners invited on stage by Thai bands, when and where did you see this?

[kwilco]

People complaining about how this guy was detained are the first to do this to immigrants in their home country.