US votes against the free world at UN

[rough diamond]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

 

Only the bits they occupied? So if history repeats itself what does that mean for the bits of Ukraine already occupied?

There were outright winners in WW11 where both protagonists surrendered.

 

The winners took the spoils.

(including Russia declaring war on Japan on August 8, 1945;  shortly after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively forcing Japan to surrender large areas of Manchuria and other Japanese-controlled territories in the Far East to Russia-some of which are still under dispute today.)

 

That at present is not the case with the ongoing invasion by Russia.

 

If Trump continues to give his best friend Putin the go ahead to declare his own terms to end the Russian invasion then Russia will keep at least, if not more, of what they have already captured.  Ukraine would obviously have to retreat from the Kursk region.

 

As a result WW111or Russian/Chinese/North Korean etc expansion will surely follow.

This could possibly end up with Trump's dream of  the US/Russian/Chinese triumvirate with Trump as it's leader/dictator.

 

I hope to hell I am wrong!!!!!!!!!

 

[Harrisfan]

21 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

There were outright winners in WW11 where both protagonists surrendered.

 

The winners took the spoils.

(including Russia declaring war on Japan on August 8, 1945;  shortly after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively forcing Japan to surrender large areas of Manchuria and other Japanese-controlled territories in the Far East to Russia-some of which are still under dispute today.)

 

That at present is not the case with the ongoing invasion by Russia.

 

If Trump continues to give his best friend Putin the go ahead to declare his own terms to end the Russian invasion then Russia will keep at least, if not more, of what they have already captured.  Ukraine would obviously have to retreat from the Kursk region.

 

As a result WW111or Russian/Chinese/North Korean etc expansion will surely follow.

This could possibly end up with Trump's dream of  the US/Russian/Chinese triumvirate with Trump as it's leader/dictator.

 

I hope to hell I am wrong!!!!!!!!!

 

Every crazy forecast is wrong.

[gamb00ler]

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

It seems you're stuck in checkers thinking.

 

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

You support death and destruction.

Yeah... I was mistaken... you're stuck at X's and O's level.

[paddypower]

34 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

There were outright winners in WW11 where both protagonists surrendered.

 

The winners took the spoils.

(including Russia declaring war on Japan on August 8, 1945;  shortly after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively forcing Japan to surrender large areas of Manchuria and other Japanese-controlled territories in the Far East to Russia-some of which are still under dispute today.)

 

That at present is not the case with the ongoing invasion by Russia.

 

If Trump continues to give his best friend Putin the go ahead to declare his own terms to end the Russian invasion then Russia will keep at least, if not more, of what they have already captured.  Ukraine would obviously have to retreat from the Kursk region.

 

As a result WW111or Russian/Chinese/North Korean etc expansion will surely follow.

This could possibly end up with Trump's dream of  the US/Russian/Chinese triumvirate with Trump as it's leader/dictator.

 

I hope to hell I am wrong!!!!!!!!!

 

That's a bit of twisted logic there, in my view. what sticks with me, are  the simple words of one Republican Senator, who said he was deeply trouble by the vote, which puts  the US on the same side as Russia and North Korea".

"These are not our friends. This posture is a dramatic shift from American ideals of freedom and democracy,". Never in the modern history, in fact ever since the formation of the UN has America walked away from its international responsibilities. Today should be a day of shame for Americans.

[Yagoda]

9 hours ago, paddypower said:

That's a bit of twisted logic there, in my view. what sticks with me, are  the simple words of one Republican Senator, who said he was deeply trouble by the vote, which puts  the US on the same side as Russia and North Korea".

"These are not our friends. This posture is a dramatic shift from American ideals of freedom and democracy,". Never in the modern history, in fact ever since the formation of the UN has America walked away from its international responsibilities. Today should be a day of shame for Americans.

We were on the same side as the Russians in WW1 and WW2. Sometimes you have to deal with scumbags. Its easy to monday morning quarterback history

[simple1]

18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Good, diplomacy, end that mess once and for all 👍

 

How is US voting alongside Russia and North Korea "good diplomacy". Many call it our as appeasement with no guarantees Russia will cease military engagement against Ukraine, nor withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. The vote assuredly does not MAGA, quite the opposite.

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

How is US voting alongside Russia and North Korea "good diplomacy". Many call it our as appeasement with no guarantees Russia will cease military engagement against Ukraine, nor withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. The vote assuredly does not MAGA, quite the opposite.

It's headed toward stopping the killing & deaths.   A step forward from the past, when IMHO, killings & deaths were encouraged for the defense departments of the west, for them good ol' profits.

 

Let's stop the killings first, then fine tune the details.  Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

[paddypower]

34 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

It's headed toward stopping the killing & deaths.   A step forward from the past, when IMHO, killings & deaths were encouraged for the defense departments of the west, for them good ol' profits.

 

Let's stop the killings first, then fine tune the details.  Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

I agree the killing should stop. but the 'rare earth' deal does NOT include any guarantees that the US will help to secure Ukraine's borders from another Russian invasion, say 2 years from now, will it? I admire Trump's business savvy, (as  compared to Helpless Harris) but not much else. how do you react to Trump's description of the deal? to quote him verbatim:  ''we will get that money back. We're helping the country (Ukraine) through a very very big problem... but the American taxpayer now is going to get their money back - PLUS '' what is he - a bloody money lender.? Has the US now transitioned to being the 'World's Policeman' - with interest rates attached to its role? btw, he lies (nothing unusual there) - there is no way the US has pumped $300-350 billion into defending Ukraine). that's his new lie. the original lie was $500 billion

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, ravip said:

Today, the term "the free world" has been redefined.

It is not what it was meant to be, when it was coined!

IMHO

No such thing and never has been IMO. I'm not "free" to not pay taxes or ignore the speed limit.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, paddypower said:

there is no way the US has pumped $300-350 billion into defending Ukraine). that's his new lie. the original lie was $500 billion

Deal making usually involves quoting a higher price than one is prepared to accept to close the deal, but you knew that, right?

Who's the daddy? LOL.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

I doubt that includes the shambles running the EU currently ( or Britain ).

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

How is US voting alongside Russia and North Korea "good diplomacy". Many call it our as appeasement with no guarantees Russia will cease military engagement against Ukraine, nor withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. The vote assuredly does not MAGA, quite the opposite.

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

So in WW2, you would have favored just letting Hitler have his way?

[simple1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

 

Were you not a nurse not in a combat role? If you believe appeasement is going to stop armed aggression, history proves you wrong

[simple1]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It's headed toward stopping the killing & deaths.   A step forward from the past, when IMHO, killings & deaths were encouraged for the defense departments of the west, for them good ol' profits.

 

Let's stop the killings first, then fine tune the details.  Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

 

It's government that authorises warfare, not Defence Departments. So far as I know appeasement has never stopped future war/s. However to me trump's attempt walk back the previous Administration's support and retrospectively overcharge Ukraine 100s of billion of dollars is a crime of extortion. Thankfully it appears Zelensky has done an outstanding job in negotiations with trump Administration. Why trump is not being impeached again just shows the grovelling servility of the Republican party. As has been previously said by man,y trump is unfit to represent the Office of the USA Presidency.