British Tourist Punched: Guard Apologises, Security Training Scheduled

[MalcolmB]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The security guard had removed his uniform. Walked off to the alley and 'waved on' the drunk Brit who stupidly took the bait and as you put it, came marking up thinking he was Rambo...

 

None of that makes the assault morally right or justified. 

 

 

 

Agreed... he didn't go in stamping on the knocked-out Brits head... But I wouldn't count that as a measure of virtuous character...    he'd just knocked out a 62 year old !!!... 

 

 

 

 

Agreed...   He shows the restraint to remain calm so he could use his skills more effectively in his attack...   He shows no restraint or skills to de-escalate the situation. 

 

 

 

Or it just didn't happen at all and that was made up.

 

 

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As another poster put it... 'If a foreigner did that to a Thai man, he would be arrested and charged for a criminal offence'....

 

 

Farang apology of the day!
You think it is fine for us to go around starting fights with our hosts?

While the Thais are very patient they will only take so much as we are seeing now in Pai

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I think most of them show a high degree of tolerance. And so do the general Thai population.

 

No... most of them 'don't'....   Thai's are just like anyone else, some are more tolerant than others...  But I can see how you may see that in such area's many Thai's show tolerance of the belligerent drunk idiots...   but that comes with the territory. 

 

In this case - its the 'security guards' job to maintain security, not to knock old men out. 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

The Brit was coming at him very aggressively. 

 

Perhaps - no swinging fists, no pushing... but yep, he looked agitated... 

 

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I would have done a lot worse than that light little punch if he had of attacked me like that.

 

Thats hilarious....   a Keyboard Warrior Statement of legendary status...  

 

Are you ex SBS or SAS ??....     

 

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It is the old saying, if you want to start fights in Thailand, you better be able to actually fight.

The sloppy old Brit didn’t stand a chance

 

Thats the saying anywhere... But there are legal consequences for assault elsewhere.

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I would have done a lot worse than that light little punch if he had of attacked me like that.

 

Like what ?.... offer him a game of 'soggy biscuit' ???     

[MalcolmB]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Perhaps - no swinging fists, no pushing... but yep, he looked agitated... 

No the coward kicked the smaller man in the nuts, but we will just admit or deny that ever happened and bash the Thais instead. 

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Like what ?.... offer him a game of 'soggy biscuit' ???     

You keep bringing that up. 
It ain’t much fun with only two players. 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Farang apology of the day!
You think it is fine for us to go around starting fights with our hosts?

While the Thais are very patient they will only take so much as we are seeing now in Pai

 

No... Its not fine for 'us' (foreginers / Westerners) to act like that, start fights or behave aggressively...  Neither is it ok for someone to knock someone out like that... 

 

You seem to think its ok for Thai's to use violence, without any condemnation of their behavior. 

 

Thats why your comments whenever there is a Thai vs Foreigner issue always show unhinged bias....   Both men were clearly in the wrong here...

 

.... But you will only ever see the foreigner as being in the wrong, even when he's the one unconscious on the floor....    

 

 

You throw out accusations of 'farang apologist' in with complete unawareness of your own bias...  'Thai apologist'.... 

 

... The reality is - Both Parties acted very poorly, both in the wrong....  but I see only one act of violence in the videos.

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Perhaps - no swinging fists, no pushing... but yep, he looked agitated... 

No the coward kicked the smaller man in the nuts, but we will just admit or deny that ever happened and bash the Thais instead. 

 

That's what the 'bouncer'....  the one who knocked out the Brit stated he did... 

 

I've little doubt you believe 100% of his statement and never question a word.

 

 

IF the bouncer was behaving so 'correctly' why is he being given extra training ????

 

 

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Of course, I know the answer - there won't be any... this is just a statement to highlight that the issue is dealt with and they can sweep the assault under the carpet like all the others... 

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

You seem to think its ok for Thai's to use violence, without any condemnation of their behavior. 

Self defense.

i know you would have ran, but I like the Thais, like to stand my ground.

lf you want to start fights, you should know how to actually fight.

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But you will only ever see the foreigner as being in the wrong, even when he's the one unconscious on the floor...

He obviously was in the wrong.

I hope he learns his lesson.

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Self defense.

i know you would have ran, but I like the Thais, like to stand my ground.

 

Online hardman - pathetically hilarious....        you'd have whacked him over the head with your purse and scratched his eyes with your fake nails ????....       The Bouncer, someone supposedly trained to de-escalate did the opposite and attacked....

 

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

lf you want to start fights, you should know how to actually fight.

 

Where, playground or behind the bike sheds....     

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

He obviously was in the wrong.

I hope he learns his lesson.

 

I agree...  I also think the foreigner was 'in the wrong' - his behavior was clearly aggressive, agitated, he was showing anger etc....    And yes, he needs to learn his lesson.

 

But...  what you refuse to understand is that the Thai Bouncers actions were also in the wrong... and the reason you refuse to understand that is because of your small minded binary thinking, for you it appears an impossibility that a Thai person could be in the wrong and this is where your delusional bias shines the brightest - Thai Apologist... 

 

A trained Bouncer should be handling this sort of drunken idiot with far greater restraint - The Thai guy instead 'chose' to commit assault... 

 

[lordgrinz]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yup... nothing like sending the message to all security in any bar in Thailand that they have the freedom to assault anyone they feel like.... Its part of the job description, isn't it ??

 

The guy aggressively approached him, I would hit him too. The Brit learned a valuable lesson, he won't be doing that again.

[MalcolmB]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I've little doubt you believe 100% of his statement and never question a word.

It was three Brits on to one Thai.

in the video you can see by the way the guard is walking he has copped it in the nuts.

 

This additional video footage gives a much clearer picture of the British thugs attacking the guard who was just trying to earn a living and had correctly assessed that these Brits were not in any condition to enter the licensed premises.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, lordgrinz said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yup... nothing like sending the message to all security in any bar in Thailand that they have the freedom to assault anyone they feel like.... Its part of the job description, isn't it ??

 

The guy aggressively approached him, I would hit him too. The Brit learned a valuable lesson, he won't be doing that again.

 

You're not a trained bouncer with backup...    the Thai guy was part of a team who's job it is to de-escalate situations.... 

 

If someone walked up to me like that I don't know how I'd react... maybe I too would rely on my special forces training and take swing...   

 

The last time I was in anything like a situation like that I was younger, faster etc... and the guy was very quickly on the floor arms behind his back...  I didn't need to hit him (he'd just punched a waitress in the face and I happened to be stood right there)...    

 

This Bouncer didn't need to take a punch - if he was a bouncer, he should have been able to look after himself and at the same time 'look after' the drunk idiot without resorting to knocking him out like that (which could have had fatal consequences and the topic we are discussion being somewhat worse).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

The guy aggressively approached him, I would hit him too. The Brit learned a valuable lesson, he won't be doing that again.

Me too. 
Richard would have offered to play soggy biscuit with the three Brits apparently 

[MalcolmB]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If someone walked up to me like that I don't know how I'd react

His two mates backed off quickly after seeing how the Thai security professional took care of himself

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It was three Brits on to one Thai.

in the video you can see by the way the guard is walking he has copped it in the nuts.

 

This additional video footage gives a much clearer picture of the British thugs attacking the guard who was just trying to earn a living and had correctly assessed that these Brits were not in any condition to enter the licensed premises.

 

(Thanks for the video).

 

You have a very distorted (delusional) impression of reality... 

I see one agitated idiot Brit... and two others trying to restrain him. 

I see the bouncer hit the Brit in the face, while one of the other Brits is hold him.

I do not see anyone kick any of the bouncers

I see the bouncer take off his uniform and follow the Brits as they walk off 

(then going to the alley and getting the Brit to follow him in there so he could fight).

 

You see 'three Brit attacking a bouncer who was just trying to make a living (purleeeese)

 

I agree with your comment - the Brits were in no condition to enter.

 

It was not 3 Brits on 1 bouncer - there were three bouncers in front of the venue.

It was 1 Brit, with 2 trying to control him and hold him back.

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

If someone walked up to me like that I don't know how I'd react.

 

I won't be a victim, there is no way I am letting someone come at me like that, I would have done exactly what that bouncer did. I wholeheartedly believe in ending things as fast as possible, no reason one hair on my head needs to be out of place because of someone else is attacking me, better they go down than me. This Brit came after the bouncer, he paid the price, and like Tyson once said "Everyone has a plan until you're punched in the mouth". The Brit should take it as a lesson, I would never have apologized either, he got what was coming to him.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

His two mates backed off quickly after seeing how the Thai security professional took care of himself

 

The Brits two mates were already trying to de-escalate.... 

You can see them holding back the idiot Brit who was being aggressive. 

 

Your use of language is also hilarious....  'the Thai security professional'    You're ridiculous Malcom...  the delusional level of your bias is astonishing......   

 

....there was nothing professional about the security guards behavior...     he did nothing to subdue the aggression...

 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

I would never have apologized either, he got what was coming to him.

He apology was just for the tourism press.

The Brit should be thanking the security professional for the little love tap

If he had of come at me he would not have got off so lightly 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, lordgrinz said:

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If someone walked up to me like that I don't know how I'd react.

 

I won't be a victim, there is no way I am letting someone come at me like that, I would have done exactly what that bouncer did. I wholeheartedly believe in ending things as fast as possible, no reason one hair on my head needs to be out of place because of someone else is attacking me, better they go down than me.

 

I kind of agree....  But there's no need to allow the sitation to get to that stage....   there were enough bouncers to subdue the Brit.... and they successfully did that.

 

The two other guys with the Brit also successfully held the idiot Brit back.....  but still, the aggressive bouncers punched the idiot Brit in the face while one of the other brits was holding him back (and holding both of his arms)... 

 

Instead of de-escalation, the bouncer did the exact opposite. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, lordgrinz said:

This Brit came after the bouncer, he paid the price, and like Tyson once said "Everyone has a plan until you're punched in the mouth".

 

The bouncer was lucky the Brit didn't smash his head on the ground and suffer more severe injuries or die (that has happened enough times here).

 

This is 'why' more training is needed... 

 

1 minute ago, lordgrinz said:

The Brit should take it as a lesson,

 

Agreed.

 

1 minute ago, lordgrinz said:

I would never have apologized either, he got what was coming to him.

 

The bouncer was also the aggressor - he punched the Brit twice. 

Once with his uniform on.... 

Then he took off his uniform on and escalated further, encouraging the Brit (who'd already received one punch in the face) to come on to him, so he could punch him again. 

 

He planned his attack very well....     but it was assault. 

[MalcolmB]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

(Thanks for the video).

 

You have a very distorted (delusional) impression of reality... 

I see one agitated idiot Brit... and two others trying to restrain him. 

I see the bouncer hit the Brit in the face, while one of the other Brits is hold him.

I do not see anyone kick any of the bouncers

I see the bouncer take off his uniform and follow the Brits as they walk off 

(then going to the alley and getting the Brit to follow him in there so he could fight).

 

You see 'three Brit attacking a bouncer who was just trying to make a living (purleeeese)

 

I agree with your comment - the Brits were in no condition to enter.

 

It was not 3 Brits on 1 bouncer - there were three bouncers in front of the venue.

It was 1 Brit, with 2 trying to control him and hold him back.

News flash.

Richard takes the side of the farang who was behaving terribly and has turned it around back on the Thais

At least you are consistent 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

He apology was just for the tourism press.

 

Agreed... 

 

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

The Brit should be thanking the security professional for the little love tap

If he had of come at me he would not have got off so lightly 

 

You're hilarious....    Internet hardman... 

 

You'd have punched him right in the soul, eh ??

So tough... you don't even need to shower eh Malcy... you take blood baths !!! 

So hard, you can fight yourself.... and win of course !!!

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

You'd have punched him right in the soul, eh ??

The guy was an overweight drunk pensioner.

i would back myself.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

News flash.

Richard takes the side of the farang who was behaving terribly and has turned it around back on the Thais

At least you are consistent 

 

Learn to read ye dimster...    I couldn't have written it any more clearly for you..... 

 

35 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I agree...  I also think the foreigner was 'in the wrong' - his behavior was clearly aggressive, agitated, he was showing anger etc....    And yes, he needs to learn his lesson.

 

I've not taken the 'side of the farang' at all...    Unlike you I'm capable of more than 'binary thinking'...  

 

Meanwhile its impossible for you to see that both parties can be in the wrong because you're so completely delusional whenever it comes to such issues.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[lordgrinz]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I kind of agree....  But there's no need to allow the sitation to get to that stage....   there were enough bouncers to subdue the Brit.... and they successfully did that.

 

The two other guys with the Brit also successfully held the idiot Brit back.....  but still, the aggressive bouncers punched the idiot Brit in the face while one of the other brits was holding him back (and holding both of his arms)... 

 

Instead of de-escalation, the bouncer did the exact opposite. 

 

 

 

 

The bouncer was lucky the Brit didn't smash his head on the ground and suffer more severe injuries or die (that has happened enough times here).

 

This is 'why' more training is needed... 

 

 

Agreed.

 

 

The bouncer was also the aggressor - he punched the Brit twice. 

Once with his uniform on.... 

Then he took off his uniform on and escalated further, encouraging the Brit (who'd already received one punch in the face) to come on to him, so he could punch him again. 

 

He planned his attack very well....     but it was assault. 

 

Personally, I wish Thailand would just allow us to carry a can of Mace, I'm getting too old for this kind of thing.....but I still would want to end aggressive attackers as fast as possible. Knowing how bad some of the nut cases here act, and larger boozed up foreigners, the bouncers would do better to have tasers and flex-cuffs. Nobody wants or deserves to get kicked in the nuts at work, or worse.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

The guy was an overweight drunk pensioner.

i would back myself.

 

 

Of course you would....  because you are  delusional loon... 

 

... You'd have put your back out and given yourself a hernia !!!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

12 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Personally, I wish Thailand would just allow us to carry a can of Mace, I'm getting too old for this kind of thing.....but I still would want to end aggressive attackers as fast as possible. Knowing how bad some of the nut cases here act, and larger boozed up foreigners, the bouncers would do better to have tasers and flex-cuffs.

 

The whole conversation is ridiculous... 

 

'getting too old for this kind of thing'..... Was this kind of thing ever worth bothering 'getting into' anyway ??.....     

 

We used to smash the shyte out of each other on the rugby field....  but a street fight, no thanks... idiots carry knives, use bottles etc... 

 

 

Bouncers should be trained not to escalate to protect themselves as much as anyone else.... 

I agree, they should have plasticufs... 

 

I'm not sure about tasers...   look at this bouncers reaction - hitting the guy while he's already restrained.... and then following him and enticing him to fight more....  He'd just use the taser as an additional weapon.

 

They should have de-escalated, and if that was not possible, restrained the guy. Until the police came - then he spends the night in the lock up and is charged with drunken and disorderly behavior.....   thats how 'security' should be doing their jobs. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Nobody wants or deserves to get kicked in the nuts at work, or worse.

 

There is nothing in any of the video's that shows the bouncer getting kicked in the 'nuts'... 

 

This is exactly the same as people making stuff up after a car accident etc... people lie...    You said it yourself how Thai's will tell bare faces lies in an accident...   I think most people will.... and in this case, the the kick to nuts seems like a bare faced lie to try and justify the bouncers aggressive over-reaction... 

[Harrisfan]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

whole conversation is ridiculous... 

Like every argument on the internet

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Personally, I wish Thailand would just allow us to carry a can of Mace, I'm getting too old for this kind of thing....

 

When have you ever been attacked in 'adult-hood' ???

 

I've been here over two decades and I've not been in a situation I'd call violent or getting attacked....   though a fool did try to once but he was too drunk and it was too pathetic to consider calling it an attack....   

 

Maybe its a Pattaya / Patong thing... But certainly going out in Bangkok regularly, I never get to witness any issues..... and certainly am not involved in any - certainly not to the point of carrying mace... 

.... And if I did feel that need, then I'd probably re-consider where I'm going out, or the kind of character I am to draw that attention.