6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

But the basic reality remains - boycotting Tesla hurts innocent Americans far more than it hurts Musk. 

 

Hanaguma - Musk holds about 13% of Tesla shares plus Share options - that's $ billions - (you do the sum). I think that'll hurt Musk ! A lot !

 

Yes it's sad for innocent Americans too - but remember the 1st rule for small investors. Don't put the money in, unless you can afford to lose it.

 

Your post also misses the point that it's MUSK that is responsible for the boycott !

 

Wake up.

 

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

What actions and comments? 

 

He makes his recommendations and cabinet members do with them as they see fit. 

 

Dave and Hanaguma - if I remember rightly - Musk started off assuming full Executive powers to dismiss Staff but after the ensuing disaster, Trump was cornered to moderate that to, 'recommendation' only.

10 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Dave and Hanaguma - if I remember rightly - Musk started off assuming full Executive powers to dismiss Staff but after the ensuing disaster, Trump was cornered to moderate that to, 'recommendation' only.

You remember incorrectly.

11 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Hanaguma - Musk holds about 13% of Tesla shares plus Share options - that's $ billions - (you do the sum). I think that'll hurt Musk ! A lot !

 

Yes it's sad for innocent Americans too - but remember the 1st rule for small investors. Don't put the money in, unless you can afford to lose it.

 

Your post also misses the point that it's MUSK that is responsible for the boycott !

 

Wake up.

 

I am very awake.

 

Someone NOT awake is the 2024 VP nominee for the Democrats, Tim Walz. He has been cheering the demise of Tesla as well. Sadly, he was unaware that his state employee pension fund holds over a million shares of Tesla stock! He has been dancing while the fund has lost more than $200 million.  What a maroon. 

 

So those being hurt aren't "small investors".  They are pension funds and retirement assets that individual investors have no control over.  

 

Oh, and nothing wrong with a boycott.  The right did it to Bud Light a couple years ago as I recall. But what is different is the violence used by the anti-Musk folks to intimidate and silence their political opponents.  Particularly since Musk was their darling up to about 15 minutes ago. 

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

I am very awake.

 

Someone NOT awake is the 2024 VP nominee for the Democrats, Tim Walz. He has been cheering the demise of Tesla as well. Sadly, he was unaware that his state employee pension fund holds over a million shares of Tesla stock! He has been dancing while the fund has lost more than $200 million.  What a maroon. 

 

So those being hurt aren't "small investors".  They are pension funds and retirement assets that individual investors have no control over.  

 

Oh, and nothing wrong with a boycott.  The right did it to Bud Light a couple years ago as I recall. But what is different is the violence used by the anti-Musk folks to intimidate and silence their political opponents.  Particularly since Musk was their darling up to about 15 minutes ago. 

The left loves these fascistic tactics. 

 

Any dissent must be crushed.  

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

I am very awake.

 

Someone NOT awake is the 2024 VP nominee for the Democrats, Tim Walz. He has been cheering the demise of Tesla as well. Sadly, he was unaware that his state employee pension fund holds over a million shares of Tesla stock! He has been dancing while the fund has lost more than $200 million.  What a maroon. 

 

So those being hurt aren't "small investors".  They are pension funds and retirement assets that individual investors have no control over.  

 

Oh, and nothing wrong with a boycott.  The right did it to Bud Light a couple years ago as I recall. But what is different is the violence used by the anti-Musk folks to intimidate and silence their political opponents.  Particularly since Musk was their darling up to about 15 minutes ago. 

 

Glad you are awake Hanag. But in Trumptie Numptie fashion, you can only look at the past - the attitude - its not US to blame ! 

 

What the heck has it to do with 'maroon' Tim Walz - he is entitled to his opinion though he's on the fringe now. He's facing the 'morons' - is that what you mean ?

 

Yes of course Pension Funds are also Tesla Investors - the Pension holders should have something to say about that.

 

As it happens, I agreed totally with the 'right's' stance on Bud Light. Glad you abhor the Tesla violence, so do I, but I remember Jan 6th 2020 and apparently, you don't !

 

I'd like to chat to someone who regarded Musk as thier 'Darling' 15 minutes ago.

 

ATB

 

9 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The left loves these fascistic tactics. 

 

Any dissent must be crushed.  

 

Hard to make out what you are getting at there Dave.

 

A silly post . . .

On 3/19/2025 at 7:48 PM, Hanaguma said:

So screw the millions of Americans who have invested, either directly or indirectly, into Musk Inc?  I am sure hard liners would say "divest!" but that is difficult to do when the shares are held by ETFs and holding companies.  

 

I won't say anything as to the quality of Tesla cars, I really don't have an opinion on them one way or the other. Not my area of expertise. But the virtue signalling of the mob has little to do with the product or the company and a lot to do with the simplistic, reflexive "MAGA BAD" shibboleth.  If Musk had stayed a Democrat and supported Harris in the 2024 election, this would not be happening.

Let's start with the silliness of your last sentence. It's always suspect to use contrary to fact propositions. But in this case it's completely ridiculous. If Harris has been elected, do you think she would have turned Musk loose on the government?

 

l should also point out so far what has been lost  is basically what Musk gained thanks to his massive support for Trump. Lots of investors piled into Tesla after Trump won. Should they be awarded for what were clearly expectations that Musk's support of Trump would repay itself many times over? Seems like a pretty sleazy bet to me.

9 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Hard to make out what you are getting at there Dave.

 

A silly post . . .

What’s silly about it Torq?

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What’s silly about it Torq?

Sorry Dave - please explain that earlier post - it comes over as just a couple of slogans thrown out!

1 hour ago, TorquayFan said:

Sorry Dave - please explain that earlier post - it comes over as just a couple of slogans thrown out!

What is it you don’t understand Torq? 

On 3/11/2025 at 6:39 AM, josephbloggs said:

Musk has truly lose the plot - he is a disgrace.

I used to admire and respect him but the change in him over the last couple of years has been shocking. I hope his downfall will be spectacular and unpleasant.

What changed in him, he’s no longer a leftist? 

 

Why don’t you go key some Teslas.

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

What changed in him, he’s no longer a leftist? 

What changed in him? You honestly don't know?

 

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Why don’t you go key some Teslas.

Why on earth would I do that?

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

What changed in him? You honestly don't know?

No, I don’t know. Please tell me. 

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Why on earth would I do that?

It seems to be popular among Musk hating leftists that want to see him fall spectacularly. 

On 3/20/2025 at 9:09 PM, TorquayFan said:

but I remember Jan 6th 2020 and apparently, you don't !

 

That was Trump and Musk's fault too ?  

just don't mention the FBI agents  they had nothing to do with it  only Orange man Bad.

On 3/21/2025 at 4:51 PM, josephbloggs said:

What changed in him? You honestly don't know?

 

Why on earth would I do that?

Better not. Donald Trump says that make you a terrorist and liable to be dumped in a Salvadoran jail. And that's because every Tesla lost is it chink in the armor that defends America against well pretty much you name it. So if you want to go out King automobiles, make it a Japanese one. Trump will probably give you a medal.