Tesla’s Sales Plummet, Marking Lowest Numbers in Three Years

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Surely finding billions in government waste IS helping America.

What is also helpful is having DOGE be more transparent with their internal records. 

[James105]

25 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Good. Excellent. Musk is a total social misfit, and is not wearing his wealth, nor his power lightly. Musk appears to have extremist tendencies. I am hoping he goes on one of his Mars missions, but we all know he does not have nearly enough courage for something like that. I have respect for his achievements, but zero respect for the small man. 

 

He's a completely ridiculous man, the more wealthy he's become the more obnoxious he's become, the more arrogant he's become, the more self-righteous and the more insufferable. Trump made a tremendous mistake by giving him more power than he already had, and time will reveal what a tragic decision that was.

 

Boycott Tesla, don't buy anything that he is associated with, knock him off his pedestal, bring him back down to earth, try to knock some sense into his absolutely foolish head, and take some pride in doing the right thing and helping America.

 

You sound completely deranged.  His job is to cut waste.  He has a proven track record at doing this and it is a temporary job that he is giving his time for without charge as he recognizes that the USA cannot keep racking up debt like it has been.   For the wastrels this will be difficult for sure, but the severance packages are generous and should tide them over until they get a proper job.    

 

Why do you want the US to continue to defraud the taxpayer?  Unless you are a recipient of this fraudulent waste of money I can't get my head around this level of derangement.   Other than rescuing stranded astronauts abandoned by Biden, providing starlink free for Ukraine military, investing in tech to help paraplegics move again, spent hundreds of millions in battery tech R&D to then give away the patents for free to other car companies, what exactly has he done to cause this derangement in people like you?

[spidermike007]

56 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Surely finding billions in government waste IS helping America.

Musk says that his website is very transparent. Have you been able to find out exactly where this money's been saved? So far all I'm hearing is yak yak and absolutely no transparency, am I wrong? 

 

And cutting 100% of the federal employees that dealt with Alzheimer related issues I don't think was particularly smart, do you? 

[spidermike007]

30 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

You sound completely deranged.  His job is to cut waste.  He has a proven track record at doing this and it is a temporary job that he is giving his time for without charge as he recognizes that the USA cannot keep racking up debt like it has been.   For the wastrels this will be difficult for sure, but the severance packages are generous and should tide them over until they get a proper job.    

 

Why do you want the US to continue to defraud the taxpayer?  Unless you are a recipient of this fraudulent waste of money I can't get my head around this level of derangement.   Other than rescuing stranded astronauts abandoned by Biden, providing starlink free for Ukraine military, investing in tech to help paraplegics move again, spent hundreds of millions in battery tech R&D to then give away the patents for free to other car companies, what exactly has he done to cause this derangement in people like you?

Show me some evidence that he's actually saving money and not simply cutting jobs for people who were supervising the treatment of Alzheimer patients, and providing medicine for the poorest kids in the world, resulting in their deaths.

 

Show me some evidence of cuts in divisions that deserve to be cut. I don't care about jingos I don't care about slogans. I want some hard evidence provide me some links please. 

[spidermike007]

49 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

We can only see what his and Trump's agendas are over time. No matter that they are narcissists that think they're God, with billions, cheaters, misogynists and racists. What matters if if what they're doing will help us over time. Getting rid of waste is definitely a good idea, so time will tell. Alienating other countries is a definite mistake, although taking sheet from them is also. You can't knock them off their pedestals, as money is power, and some look at those with a lot of money as all good, which is a misnomer. Many who have attained such wealth have taken advantage of others in some way. We've had presidents who were unstable and immoral , and they've also helped America, so we'll only know what will become of the future in time, and we as individuals can do little but sit back and watch.

Trump knows nothing about the economy, nor globalization. There are many homeless people that are considerably more knowledgeable than he is. 

 

Even a Ford Ranger is made of parts from 24 different countries. Trump has absolutely zero understanding of a global ecosystem. Zero. He is a simplistic imbecile, and will have to back off, or republicans will withdraw their support, once inflation spikes at unprecedented levels. Get ready for an economic tsunami and a major recession, caused by the goombah.

 

https://youtu.be/jLpUEACVBlE?si=xH-M84ICmSMOeFXk

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump knows nothing about the economy, nor globalization. There are many homeless people that are considerably more knowledgeable than he is. 

 

Even a Ford Ranger is made of parts from 24 different countries. Trump has absolutely zero understanding of a global ecosystem. Zero. He is a simplistic imbecile, and will have to back off, or republicans will withdraw their support, once inflation spikes at unprecedented levels. Get ready for an economic tsunami and a major recession, caused by the goombah.

 

https://youtu.be/jLpUEACVBlE?si=xH-M84ICmSMOeFXk

I agree but he has people behind him that give him advice, and are more knowledgeable on things.

[rough diamond]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I agree but he has people behind him that give him advice, and are more knowledgeable on things.

They can give him the best advice available in the world but it is pointless if he totally ignores all of it, which is what appears to be happening

[dinsdale]

 

[BLMFem]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes, they're quite deranged as I said. 

Someone is.

[BLMFem]

37 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I agree but he has people behind him that give him advice, and are more knowledgeable on things.

The people behind him are a bunch of moronic sycophants.

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Boycott Tesla, don't buy anything that he is associated with, knock him off his pedestal,

Maybe you should give Zelensky a call and tell him to stop using Starlink. Of course as it is Space X is covering the cost.

[James105]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Show me some evidence that he's actually saving money and not simply cutting jobs for people who were supervising the treatment of Alzheimer patients, and providing medicine for the poorest kids in the world, resulting in their deaths.

 

Show me some evidence of cuts in divisions that deserve to be cut. I don't care about jingos I don't care about slogans. I want some hard evidence provide me some links please. 

 

Did you need hard evidence that tax money wasn't being wasted?  Are you so naive to base it on trust?  Do you have hard evidence that (already) kids are dying purely due to cuts Musk has made in the last month?  I want some hard evidence provide me some links please.  

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

Someone is.

 

As your username confirms. 

[kimothai]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a circular argument.

 

 

Not really.  It's certainly not the Trump/Musk supporters that are carving Nazi symbols Tesla's.  The proof will be forthcoming when these idiots are arrested.  I guess they didn't know these cars have cameras.  Deny it all you want, anyone with common sense knows better.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

although personally I wouldn't buy any EV of any brand.

Quite wise too. It's a <deleted > technology that is going to be consigned to the bin along with VDO tape once hydrogen takes off. All those believers that bought overpriced toy cars and can't sell them for a $1.

 

Meanwhile I'll stick to my ICE car. I can drive far as I like and carry spare fuel in the car- don't need to spend valuable time waiting for a charge point and longer for a charge. EVs are OK for the city, but a nonsense for long distance travel. Baaaaah.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Even a Ford Ranger is made of parts from 24 different countries.

If I needed proof that the world has gone mad that is it. What person with a brain cell thinks that is a good idea. Can you remember when cars were entirely made in the US, and US jobs were not outsourced to poor countries to exploit poor workers for more profit to US shareholders? I can.

[Andycoops]

The product is <deleted>e, so many recalls.

 

I hope it goes bankrupt and it should because the unelected piece of scum who's not even a Yank deserves to feel the full fury of the consumer.

 

No new products launched in over 5 years, he's been sitting on his fat arse thinking people will continue to buy crap that's out of date.

 

Getting a endorsement from Trump is the same as feeling the rope around your neck.

[Andycoops]

The product is <deleted>e, so many recalls.

 

I hope it goes bankrupt and it should because the unelected piece of scum who's not even a Yank deserves to feel the full fury of the consumer.

 

No new products launched in over 5 years, he's been sitting on his fat arse thinking people will continue to buy crap that's out of date.

 

Getting a endorsement from Trump is the same as feeling the rope around your neck.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

The product is <deleted>e, so many recalls.

 

I hope it goes bankrupt and it should because the unelected piece of scum who's not even a Yank deserves to feel the full fury of the consumer.

 

No new products launched in over 5 years, he's been sitting on his fat arse thinking people will continue to buy crap that's out of date.

On that I agree. Before the election Musk was just a loser that tried to make the Thai use a submarine to rescue kids in a flooded cave, and insulted the real hero when it was rejected. If he didn't have a lot of money he'd be a bad joke.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

The product is <deleted>e, so many recalls.

 

I hope it goes bankrupt and it should because the unelected piece of scum who's not even a Yank deserves to feel the full fury of the consumer.

 

No new products launched in over 5 years, he's been sitting on his fat arse thinking people will continue to buy crap that's out of date.

 

Getting an endorsement from Trump is the same as feeling the rope around your neck.

On top of which he hasn’t yet figured out he’s Trump’s fall guy.

 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I agree but he has people behind him that give him advice, and are more knowledgeable on things.

One would certainly think that that's the case, but these current policies are not a reflection of that on any level. Never forget, one of the reasons why America became the world's leading economy was due to low tariffs which sparked a very dynamic economy.

 

Trump appears to be putting out that fire with a vengeance. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If I needed proof that the world has gone mad that is it. What person with a brain cell thinks that is a good idea. Can you remember when cars were entirely made in the US, and US jobs were not outsourced to poor countries to exploit poor workers for more profit to US shareholders? I can.

You seem to be living in yesteryear, yes you can argue that the 50s to the 70s were a good time for America, but a lot has changed since then and there's a multitude of reasons why many products are not being made in the US anymore. That's not going to change, the tariffs are not going to change that, nothing's going to change. 

 

Have you ever heard of the concept of economic ecosystems? 

 

It’s a total mess. As the Ford Motor chief executive Jim Farley courageously (compared to other chief executives) pointed out, “Let’s be real honest: Long term, a 25 percent tariff across the Mexico and Canada borders would blow a hole in the U.S. industry that we’ve never seen.”

 

Trump is going to get a crash course in the hard realities of the global economy as it really is — not how he imagines it.

 

Ecosystems? Listen a bit to Beinhocker, who is also the executive director of the Institute for New Economic Thinking at the Oxford Martin School. In the real world, he argues, “There is no such thing as the American economy anymore that you can identify in any real, tangible way. There’s just this accounting fiction that we call U.S. G.D.P.” To be sure, he says, “There are American interests in the economy. There are American workers. There are American consumers. There are firms based in America. But there is no American economy in that isolated sense.”

 

The old days, he added, “where you made wine and I made cheese, and you had everything you needed to make wine and I had everything I needed to make cheese and so we traded with each other — which made us both better off, as Adam Smith taught — those days are long gone.” Except in Trump’s head.

 

Instead, there is a global web of commercial, manufacturing, services and trading “ecosystems,” explains Beinhocker. “There is an automobile ecosystem. There’s an A.I. ecosystem. There’s a smartphone ecosystem. There’s a drug development ecosystem. There is the chip-making ecosystem.” And the people, parts and knowledge that make up those ecosystems all move back and forth across many economies.

 

As NPR noted in a recent story about the auto industry, “carmakers have built a vast, complicated supply chain that spans North America, with parts crossing back and forth across borders throughout the auto manufacturing process. … Some parts cross borders multiple times — like, say, a wire that is manufactured in the U.S., sent to Mexico to be bundled into a group of wires, and then back to the U.S. for installation into a bigger piece of a car, like a seat.”

 

Trump just waves off all of this. He told reporters that the U.S. is not reliant on Canada. “We don’t need them to make our cars,” he said.

 

Actually, we do. And thank goodness for that. It not only enables us to make cars cheaper, but also better. All that a Model T did was get you from point to point faster than a horse, but today’s cars offer you heating and cooling and entertainment from the internet and satellites. They will navigate for you and even drive for you — and they’re much safer. When we can combine more complex knowledge and complex parts to solve complex problems, our quality of life soars.

 

But here’s the catch. You cannot make complex stuff alone anymore. It’s too complex. And if you are not part of these ecosystems, your country will not thrive.”

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Did you need hard evidence that tax money wasn't being wasted?  Are you so naive to base it on trust?  Do you have hard evidence that (already) kids are dying purely due to cuts Musk has made in the last month?  I want some hard evidence provide me some links please.  

The cuts have been fast and sweeping. “We spent the weekend feeding USAID into the wood chipper,” Musk posted on February 3 on X (formerly Twitter), the social media site he owns.

 

The effects of these actions immediately ricocheted around the world, and they will continue to be felt for years to come. They will especially threaten young children and women, for whom USAID funding has been providing lifesaving basic medical services that have ranged from vaccines to treatments for diarrheal diseases to maternal health care. Studies show this funding has helped save the lives of nearly three million children under age five and at least one million women of reproductive age in recent decades, experts say.

 

Dismantling USAID endangers all of these gains. “This is like trying to pause an airplane in midflight and then subsequently firing the crew,” says Atul Gawande, former head of global health at USAID.

 

USAID has provided health funding and staff support to numerous countries worldwide. But measuring the effects of that aid—or the sudden lack of it—is a challenge. To do so, William Weiss, a professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who served as an advisor in the global health bureau at USAID until his agreement was recently suspended, and his colleagues created a model to quantify the effect of USAID funding from 2000 to 2016 on under-five childhood mortality for low- and middle-income countries. The study was published in January 2022 in Population Health Metrics.

 

In a related preprint study posted online last August, Weiss, Gawande and their colleagues modeled the effects of USAID funding on mortality among women of reproductive age between 2005 and 2019. That study, which has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Global Health, found that for the years 2009 through 2019, countries that received a sustained high level of USAID funding saw a mortality rate reduction of 0.8 death per 1,000 women of reproductive age. This translates to about one million to 1.3 million deaths prevented, or four extra years of life expectancy, says Gawande, who is a surgeon at Brigham and Women's Hospital, as well as a writer and public health researcher.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/usaid-funding-saved-millions-of-childrens-lives-recent-cuts-put-it-in/

[billd766]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I agree but he has people behind him that give him advice, and are more knowledgeable on things.

People such as Musk for example?

 

After all, Trump only chooses the best of the best people to work for him. The fact that you won't get a job if you disagree with him, or even if you have a job and disagree with him, you will be fired and your department possibly closed down.

 

The problem with hiring yes men to surround yourself with, is always a bad plan, They will always tell you want to hear, which is not necessarily the truth or reality.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

People such as Musk for example?

 

After all, Trump only chooses the best of the best people to work for him. The fact that you won't get a job if you disagree with him, or even if you have a job and disagree with him, you will be fired and your department possibly closed down.

 

The problem with hiring yes men to surround yourself with, is always a bad plan, They will always tell you want to hear, which is not necessarily the truth or reality.

People such as Congress. Time will tell if what he's doing will help or backfire. Some of the things will definitely hurt relations with other countries.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Did you need hard evidence that tax money wasn't being wasted?  Are you so naive to base it on trust?  Do you have hard evidence that (already) kids are dying purely due to cuts Musk has made in the last month?  I want some hard evidence provide me some links please.  

Trust, like respect in a person, is something that is earned and NOT freely given.

 

The poster made a simple and easy to fill request.

 

If you cannot provide an answer, Why bother to post?

[James105]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Trust, like respect in a person, is something that is earned and NOT freely given.

 

The poster made a simple and easy to fill request.

 

If you cannot provide an answer, Why bother to post?

 

Just trying to understand why the level of derangement about a man who is simply trying to cut waste from a country that is living 2 trillion dollars a year above its means, which is clearly unsustainable.   Are you equally deranged about Musk?  If so, why?  Do you even know?  

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The cuts have been fast and sweeping. “We spent the weekend feeding USAID into the wood chipper,” Musk posted on February 3 on X (formerly Twitter), the social media site he owns.

 

The effects of these actions immediately ricocheted around the world, and they will continue to be felt for years to come. They will especially threaten young children and women, for whom USAID funding has been providing lifesaving basic medical services that have ranged from vaccines to treatments for diarrheal diseases to maternal health care. Studies show this funding has helped save the lives of nearly three million children under age five and at least one million women of reproductive age in recent decades, experts say.

 

Dismantling USAID endangers all of these gains. “This is like trying to pause an airplane in midflight and then subsequently firing the crew,” says Atul Gawande, former head of global health at USAID.

 

USAID has provided health funding and staff support to numerous countries worldwide. But measuring the effects of that aid—or the sudden lack of it—is a challenge. To do so, William Weiss, a professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who served as an advisor in the global health bureau at USAID until his agreement was recently suspended, and his colleagues created a model to quantify the effect of USAID funding from 2000 to 2016 on under-five childhood mortality for low- and middle-income countries. The study was published in January 2022 in Population Health Metrics.

 

In a related preprint study posted online last August, Weiss, Gawande and their colleagues modeled the effects of USAID funding on mortality among women of reproductive age between 2005 and 2019. That study, which has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Global Health, found that for the years 2009 through 2019, countries that received a sustained high level of USAID funding saw a mortality rate reduction of 0.8 death per 1,000 women of reproductive age. This translates to about one million to 1.3 million deaths prevented, or four extra years of life expectancy, says Gawande, who is a surgeon at Brigham and Women's Hospital, as well as a writer and public health researcher.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/usaid-funding-saved-millions-of-childrens-lives-recent-cuts-put-it-in/

And all you liberals could easily donate 10% of your income to charities to make up for Trumps cuts, but then you wouldn't be giving other people's money away!

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And all you liberals could easily donate 10% of your income to charities to make up for Trumps cuts, but then you wouldn't be giving other people's money away!

So cutting food programs to feed poor kids in America, cutting the funding of cancer research, cutting veteran services, cutting social security services, cutting Medicaid etc 

 

To give tax cuts to the hyper wealthy.

 

You’re good with that?

[BritManToo]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So cutting food programs to feed poor kids in America, cutting the funding of cancer research, cutting veteran services, cutting social security services, cutting Medicaid etc 

 

To give tax cuts to the hyper wealthy.

 

You’re good with that?

Veterans ...... Wouldn't liberals generally refer to them as baby killers?

Now they're your best friend?

 

Cancer research........ More free money for big pharma.

Don't forget vaccine research,that works so well with COVID.

 

Feeding your own countries poor (kids or not) I can agree with.

Feeding other countries poor, not so much.