16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Or a donut! And to think these were the people calling me a moron 

 

 

There were  a group of these fools that enjoyed trashing anyone that had an opinion that the group didn't support.  They definately had the numbers and could either drown you out or get your post removed. Weird times. 

 

BTW, I don't agree with many of your vaccine believes.  The difference between myself and the vaccine tirants is that I have no need for a herd  nor a desire to report you to a moderator.

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Or a donut! And to think these were the people calling me a moron 

 

 

 

For people with misanthropic tendencies, the comments under that video will not restore any faith in the human race.

Follow the science and don't forget to bleat "safe and effective" in harmony 

 

5 minutes ago, atpeace said:

There were  a group of these fools that enjoyed trashing anyone that had an opinion that the group didn't support.  They definately had the numbers and could either drown you out or get your post removed. Weird times. 

 

BTW, I don't agree with many of your vaccine believes.  The difference between myself and the vaccine tirants is that I have no need for a herd  nor a desire to report you to a moderator.

 

Indeed, I recall us disagreeing in the past, which is absolutely fine. I appreciate the fact that you don't get all emotional, aggressive and hyperbolic (unlike a lot of people on this forum) when your own beliefs are challenged.

36 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Couldn't we have just focussed on the unhealthy older crowd in stead of  pancking?

 

This is was what Jay Bhattacharya

(18th director of the National Institutes of Health)

and co were proposing with the Great Barrington Declaration

https://gbdeclaration.org/

 

Totally ignored of course which lead to the great Covidiocy debacle.

 

Utter madness.

 

RFK Jr stayed silent on vaccine, says father of child who died from measles

 

A Texas man who buried his eight-year-old daughter on Sunday after the unvaccinated child died with measles says Robert F Kennedy Jr “never said anything” about the vaccine against the illness or its proven efficacy while visiting the girl’s family and community for her funeral.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/08/texas-funeral-measles-vaccine-rfk-jr

11 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

A Texas man who buried his eight-year-old daughter on Sunday after the unvaccinated child died with measles says Robert F Kennedy Jr “never said anything” about the vaccine against the illness or its proven efficacy while visiting the girl’s family and community for her funeral.

 

Why on earth would he talk about the efficacy of vaccinating a dead child at her funeral ?   you want him to say  told you so  if only you had vaccinated she would have lived  you despicable antivaxer ?

 

Her father is reported to have said later in the above mention  hit piece

 

“I know it’s not effective because some family members ended up getting the vaccine, and they got the measles way worse than some of my kids,” said Hildebrand, who is raising two other children with his wife, Eva. “The vaccine was not effective.”

13 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, many didn't need it, but who knew?

I knew , you should have known , that  injecting a rushed emergency authorised never tried before  "vaccine" who's manufactures had no liability for anything going wrong  was just a tiny weeny bit  suspicious...the suspicion should have grown to huge claxon fire alarms when they started with the mandatory stuff.

3 hours ago, johng said:

 

Why on earth would he talk about the efficacy of vaccinating a dead child at her funeral ?   you want him to say  told you so  if only you had vaccinated she would have lived  you despicable antivaxer ?

 

Her father is reported to have said later in the above mention  hit piece

 

“I know it’s not effective because some family members ended up getting the vaccine, and they got the measles way worse than some of my kids,” said Hildebrand, who is raising two other children with his wife, Eva. “The vaccine was not effective.”

 

Thanks for highlighting the sophistic nature of these headlines.

 

"A Texas man who buried his eight-year-old daughter on Sunday after the unvaccinated child died with measles…"

 

Therefore, the average reader is led to draw the conclusion that her unvaccinated status led to her death.

On 4/8/2025 at 8:03 PM, johng said:

I knew , you should have known , that  injecting a rushed emergency authorised never tried before  "vaccine" who's manufactures had no liability for anything going wrong  was just a tiny weeny bit  suspicious...the suspicion should have grown to huge claxon fire alarms when they started with the mandatory stuff.

Does it matter how fast a vaccine came out as long as it works? Mandatory was here to save people, as they didn't fully know what to do besides what they did. People aren't likely to take a vaccine if it comes out that fast, being suspicious, and not knowing if it had side effects, as all vaccines do, because it wasn't tested long enough. I wanted to travel, and not die,as I didn't know what this new disease could do to me, so I took the vaccine. It's always a risk. I don't do the yearly flu shots and never have, but this wasn't the flu.

On 4/8/2025 at 2:43 PM, rattlesnake said:

In any case, the trope that people clogging hospitals and dying were unvaccinated, equating non-vaccination to illness and death, is a sophism.

Those are stats, and a person can believe whatever they want, as shows with many taking other's opinions on things, and dismissing experts who do this for a living. How many died? How many died that were vaccinated? How many died who weren't? Stats.Most that died weren't vaccinated, so it's up to you to believe or not.

On 4/8/2025 at 3:58 PM, atpeace said:

Not me and could never understand the panick.  I just sat back and watched many let fear take over their life. I know of not one person that died of Covid nor do my family members.  It was basically a severe flu that killed off the weak.  Very few healthy people died and want to emphasize VERY FEW.  

 

Couldn't we have just focussed on the unhealthy older crowd in stead of  pancking? Forcing lockdowns for everybody and needlessly vacinating infants does seem a little excessive.  In the end it all passed and the vaccines and lockdowns were just an aggravation. 

 

As for the vaccines, doubt the vacines are really killing people with the rare exception but no need for them anymore unless you are extremely unhealthy.

Actually a lot of doctors and nursed died, along with many fit, healthy, young people. I know of two that were friends of a friend, a wife and husband, middle aged, no prior sickness. Very young children probably didn't require them as they're bodies are very strong as far as fighting off illnesses. What they did they thought was needed, as people were dying by the thousands and they didn't see this happening with regular flus. When young, healthy people die from something new, they panic, not knowing what needs to be done. Of course most that died were older and somewhat weak.

On 4/8/2025 at 11:38 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

Really!? Another big porky pie Fred mate.

 

Another one on the list of fraudulent claims made by the compromised and those on the gravy train.

 

Money, money money. Always useful to follow the money trail.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/suzanne-humphries-joe-rogan-vaccines-did-not-eradicate-polio/?

 

 

You can post as many opinions you want, but the facts are there.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Those are stats, and a person can believe whatever they want, as shows with many taking other's opinions on things, and dismissing experts who do this for a living. How many died? How many died that were vaccinated? How many died who weren't? Stats.Most that died weren't vaccinated, so it's up to you to believe or not.

I caught COVID right at the start no vaccine available, didn't die, just seemed like the flu.

I caught COVID after 2 vaccinations, didn't die, just seemed like the flu.

 

If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have bothered with the vaccine as it appeared to do nothing for me.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You can post as many opinions you want, but the facts are there.

Does God and facts actually mix?

And if God is a fact ...... why are you so reluctant to meet him?

On 4/8/2025 at 10:31 AM, BritManToo said:

I don't know anyone that died or even went to hospital from COVID.

But my 25yo daughter was rushed to hospital after a COVID vaccine injection, breathing difficulties and racing heart. The hospital in Chiang Mai said her reaction was not unusual.

Many people don't know anyone who died, but there's a lot of people we don't know in this world. I know of two that were friends of a friend, and others that were acquaintances of family.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Many people don't know anyone who died, but there's a lot of people we don't know in this world. I know of two that were friends of a friend, and others that were acquaintances of family.

Sounds unlikely.

On 4/6/2025 at 8:14 AM, Red Phoenix said:

 

Source: https://www.change.org/p/urge-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-immediately-ban-covid-vaccines-and-investigate

= = =

Jenna McCarthy who has a substack devoted to Covid-19 Vax-issues, wrote and published an Open Letter on that substack < https://jennasside.rocks/p/an-open-letter-to-robert-f-kennedy >.  That Open Letter was addressed to RFK jr to urge him to immediately ban covid-vaccines and investigate.   

And many of her readers/followers then asked her to spread it widely and issue it as a Petition addressed both to RFK jr and president Trump. 

 

When you feel same way as her - read the well-written Open Letter - you can opt to sign the Petition and share it via e-mail, Facebook, X, etc.  

Really easy to do and worthwhile as it is absolutely urgent to stop this assault on people's health. 

 

You can read the Petition and the Open Letter here

> https://www.change.org/p/urge-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-immediately-ban-covid-vaccines-and-investigate

 

Has McCarthyism returned to the USA?

When people start dropping like flies during the next Bird_Flu pandemic, those antivaxers will be first in line, begging for a vaccination.

 

 

43 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Does it matter how fast a vaccine came out as long as it works? Mandatory was here to save people, as they didn't fully know what to do besides what they did.

By the time the "vaccines"  arrived they absolutely fully knew about the fatality rate and who was most likely to suffer badly from infection...there was never a valid reason for mandating an experimental therapy..they even brought in laws after WWII  to supposedly prevent  the very occurrence   but as with many other things  totally ignored.. the autocrats went totally haywire  and it was quite scary to see just how many people actually went along with the madness  and still do..even now.

19 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

those antivaxers will be first in line, begging for a vaccination.

 

Nah we'll just wear a mask...and social distance that works right ? 😋

39 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I caught COVID right at the start no vaccine available, didn't die, just seemed like the flu.

I caught COVID after 2 vaccinations, didn't die, just seemed like the flu.

 

If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have bothered with the vaccine as it appeared to do nothing for me.

The same with myself, although I didn't know it was Covid the first time. The second time I did. Most people aren't affected by Covid anyway, but we didn't know this at the time.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Those are stats, and a person can believe whatever they want, as shows with many taking other's opinions on things, and dismissing experts who do this for a living. How many died? How many died that were vaccinated? How many died who weren't? Stats.Most that died weren't vaccinated, so it's up to you to believe or not.

 

Stats can be used, distorted or omitted to meet a specific objective. For example, most countries stopped reporting the vaccination status of hospitalised people as soon as it was evident that they were all vaxxed, as part of the endeavour to encourage people to take the shot.

 

Other figures are withheld when they don't fit the desired goal, example below:

 

Pfizer Hid Almost 80% Of Covid Vaccine Trial Deaths From Regulators

 

According to an analysis of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine clinical trial data, the vaccine makers hid fatality data from regulators in order to qualify for Emergency Use Authorization.

 

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/pfizer-hid-almost-80-of-covid-vaccine-trial-deaths-from-regulators/

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Most people aren't affected by Covid anyway, but we didn't know this at the time.

 

Those who didn't know it were prevented from knowing it. The information was there, but not in the mainstream.

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Stats can be used, distorted or omitted to meet a specific objective. For example, most countries stopped reporting the vaccination status of hospitalised people as soon as it was evident that they were all vaxxed, as part of the endeavour to encourage people to take the shot.

 

Other figures are withheld when they don't fit the desired goal, example below:

 

Pfizer Hid Almost 80% Of Covid Vaccine Trial Deaths From Regulators

 

According to an analysis of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine clinical trial data, the vaccine makers hid fatality data from regulators in order to qualify for Emergency Use Authorization.

 

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/pfizer-hid-almost-80-of-covid-vaccine-trial-deaths-from-regulators/

Stars aren't distorted, as stats are facts. Opinions can be wrong, distorted,biased, prejudice, as they are made by humans, who can lie. That things are hidden and distorted means humans are behind this , for one reason or another. You have to be careful what you read as much of it is biased opinions.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Stars aren't distorted, as stats are facts. Opinions can be wrong, distorted,biased, prejudice, as they are made by humans, who can lie. That things are hidden and distorted means humans are behind this , for one reason or another. You have to be careful what you read as much of it is biased opinions.

 

Light from stars can be distorted due to the turbulence of the atmosphere. This is why modern telescopes use lasers to assist in correcting for distortion.

I love science.

And, you should, too.

 

Science does not lie.

Science is just a search for truth about reality, based on the best tools available.

 

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The same with myself, although I didn't know it was Covid the first time. The second time I did. Most people aren't affected by Covid anyway, but we didn't know this at the time.

 

Outcomes from COVID can be influenced by the exposure, dosage of virus.

As far as I know.

But, apparently, I do not know EVERYTHING.

 

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Outcomes from COVID can be influenced by the exposure, dosage of virus.

As far as I know.

But, apparently, I do not know EVERYTHING.

 

Yes, I read that a few years ago.

On 4/8/2025 at 10:40 PM, rattlesnake said:

Therefore, the average reader is led to draw the conclusion that her unvaccinated status led to her death.

Let's see.... the measles vaccine is 97% effective after the standard two doses.  She was unvaccinated and died from complications associated with her measles infection.  What conclusion is to be drawn?  If all other factors remained the same there would only be a 3% chance of her being infected.  Even when a vaccinated person catches measles, the risk of serious complications is reduced significantly.

 

But if you like sailing in stormy weather.... have at it. 

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the health secretary, has faced criticism from public health experts for his response to a measles outbreak in Texas, which he claimed is a model for the world. The outbreak, which has resulted in three deaths and nearly 500 cases, has been criticized for undercounted cases and late response from health officials. Kennedy has promoted his health agenda while downplaying the severity of the outbreak and endorsing unproven therapies. The decline in trust in vaccines, especially among Republicans, has contributed to the outbreak, and Kennedy's department, Health and Human Services, has undergone significant restructuring, resulting in the loss of thousands of positions and funding for immunization clinics.

 

Measles was eliminated in the US in 2000. However, anti-vaccine sentiment first stoked by a fraudulent scientific paper in the Lancet and then by non-profits, such as the one Kennedy led for nearly a decade, has stoked a dramatic increase in vaccine hesitancy.

 

The decline in trust in vaccines has been especially precipitous among Republicans and Republican-leaning adults. A Gallup poll from August 2024 found the percentage of Republicans who believe it is extremely important to vaccinate children fell from more than 60% in the early 2000s to 26% in 2024.

 

As trust in vaccines wanes among Republicans, and Kennedy himself voices lackluster support, Kennedy has enjoyed high trust ratings among Republicans – nearly as high as Donald Trump himself.

 

 

34 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

the measles vaccine is 97% effective after the standard two doses

 Yes, of course it is.

36 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Let's see.... the measles vaccine is 97% effective after the standard two doses.

Dear me!

 

97% effective after 2 doses eh?

 

There is no such thing as an 'effective' measles vaccine. A vaccine is, supposedly, a precaution against a specific virus outcome.

 

Show me the paper where anyone has found a measles virus. I'll save you the trouble Sir. There is not one.

 

Only extreme symptoms cases of measles are distinguishable from other similar illness expressions.