Trump threatens China with additional 50% tariff if Beijing doesn’t scrap its retaliation

[SunnyinBangrak]

41 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

What completely ignorant nonsense.

1) the frequent and often huge fires caused by EVs such as

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/26/cargo-ship-fire-off-dutch-coast

 

Are not factored into the pollution calculations.

 

2) the main polluting and cost to environment comes from initial manufacturing of the car. The longer it lasts the better. My ICE car is 65 years old and still going strong and will still be in another 65 years. EVs are toast once the battery fails. 10 years tops. Disposible garbage.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

1) the frequent and often huge fires caused by EVs such as

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/26/cargo-ship-fire-off-dutch-coast

 

Are not factored into the pollution calculations.

 

2) the main polluting and cost to environment comes from initial manufacturing of the car. The longer it lasts the better. My ICE car is 65 years old and still going strong and will still be in another 65 years. EVs are toast once the battery fails. 10 years tops. Disposible garbage.

 

 

Electric Cars Could Last Much Longer Than You Think
Rather than having a shorter lifespan than internal combustion engines, EV batteries are lasting way longer than expected, surprising even the automakers themselves...

Consulting firm P3 recently analyzed 7,000 fleet electric vehicles, in partnership with Austrian battery testing specialist Aviloo. Their report showed that, on average, EV batteries have 90 percent capacity after 100,000 kilometers of driving, and at 300,000 kilometers they still have 87 percent of their original kilowatts left.

https://www.wired.com/story/electric-cars-could-last-much-longer-than-most-think/

 

And even after batteries reach the point where they can store power at only 80% of their original capacity they can still be used for energy storage

How Second-Life Batteries Are Revolutionising Energy Storage

https://www.smartcommercialsolar.com.au/resources/how-second-life-batteries-are-revolutionising-energy-storage

 

And finally, when they are no longer useful for storage they can be mostly recycled;

Tesla Co-Founder JB Straubel Built an EV Battery Colossus to Rival China
A first look inside the high-tech recycling machine that’s gobbling up the equivalent of 250,000 dead EV batteries a year.

https://archive.ph/ztcJF#selection-1271.0-1277.122

 

Apart from these few quibbles, thanks for the great post.

 

And can you offer any verifiable figures about how many 65 year old ICE vehicles are still running?

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Electric Cars Could Last Much Longer Than You Think
Rather than having a shorter lifespan than internal combustion engines, EV batteries are lasting way longer than expected, surprising even the automakers themselves...

Consulting firm P3 recently analyzed 7,000 fleet electric vehicles, in partnership with Austrian battery testing specialist Aviloo. Their report showed that, on average, EV batteries have 90 percent capacity after 100,000 kilometers of driving, and at 300,000 kilometers they still have 87 percent of their original kilowatts left.

https://www.wired.com/story/electric-cars-could-last-much-longer-than-most-think/

 

And even after batteries reach the point where they can store power at only 80% of their original capacity they can still be used for energy storage

How Second-Life Batteries Are Revolutionising Energy Storage

https://www.smartcommercialsolar.com.au/resources/how-second-life-batteries-are-revolutionising-energy-storage

 

And finally, when they are no longer useful for storage they can be mostly recycled;

Tesla Co-Founder JB Straubel Built an EV Battery Colossus to Rival China
A first look inside the high-tech recycling machine that’s gobbling up the equivalent of 250,000 dead EV batteries a year.

https://archive.ph/ztcJF#selection-1271.0-1277.122

 

Apart from these few quibbles, thanks for the great post.

 

And can you offer any verifiable figures about how many 65 year old ICE vehicles are still running?

Give it a rest with the fanciful conspiracies. Any halfwit that can use google can see EVs lost 50% of their value straight away and worthless a few years old. Like Al Gores dissappering polar ice EVs were a scam.

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2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Give it a rest with the fanciful conspiracies. Any halfwit that can use google can see EVs lost 50% of their value straight away and worthless a few years old. Like Al Gores dissappering polar ice EVs were a scam.

I think halfwits are people who make assertions without being prepared to back them up with evidence.

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3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Lets just say if it was true that we were in a climate catastrophe, and the earth was about to get cooked and we all perish, I know people like the democrat elite(and chief climate alarmists) would not be buying TWO sea level mansions. They would happily live like cavemen, or cavepeople for you, to survive. Yet, that is not what happened. Did you ever wonder why these 2 mansion purchases were censored?

"A conspiracy post was removed, continue and face a suspension. You have been warned" 

Why? Because it proves the climate cult is bs to weaken the west and help China.

Who has bought 2 sea level mansions?

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Give it a rest with the fanciful conspiracies. Any halfwit that can use google can see EVs lost 50% of their value straight away and worthless a few years old. Like Al Gores dissappering polar ice EVs were a scam.

Yeah, like ICEVs hold 90% of their value when they're driven off the forecourt.

As I said before, ignorant nonsense, and you've only proven that more strongly since.

Your ICE is going to last 130 years though, and it hasn't polluted in that time. What is your miraculous 65 year ICE? And how have its emissions been over the years? How much pollution did it cause to build? Care to tell?

Ridiculous.

[Digitalbanana]

In the news "US President Donald Trump's administration has exempted smartphones and computers from reciprocal tariffs, including the 125% levies imposed on Chinese imports. US Customs and Border Patrol published a notice late on Friday explaining the goods would be excluded from Trump's 10% global tariff on most countries and the much larger Chinese import tax. The move comes after concerns from US tech companies that the price of gadgets could skyrocket, as many of them are made in China. "

Any hill billy on the street would know that? Why didn't the administration think about this before applying the tariffs of up to 125% beforehand and wiping trillions off the stock market?

This also amplifies uncertainty, does not help business because who knows what comes next after the idiot finishes his round of golf.

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16 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

In the news "US President Donald Trump's administration has exempted smartphones and computers from reciprocal tariffs, including the 125% levies imposed on Chinese imports. US Customs and Border Patrol published a notice late on Friday explaining the goods would be excluded from Trump's 10% global tariff on most countries and the much larger Chinese import tax. The move comes after concerns from US tech companies that the price of gadgets could skyrocket, as many of them are made in China. "

Any hill billy on the street would know that? Why didn't the administration think about this before applying the tariffs of up to 125% beforehand and wiping trillions off the stock market?

This also amplifies uncertainty, does not help business because who knows what comes next after the idiot finishes his round of golf.

I guess we know who blinked first. And it wasn't Xi.

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yeah, like ICEVs hold 90% of their value when they're driven off the forecourt.

As I said before, ignorant nonsense, and you've only proven that more strongly since.

Your ICE is going to last 130 years though, and it hasn't polluted in that time. What is your miraculous 65 year ICE? And how have its emissions been over the years? How much pollution did it cause to build? Care to tell?

Ridiculous.

My eMTB is still good after less than a year, but I've not had any smartphones last more than 3 years. As far as I know car batteries use the same chemicals, so I really doubt an EV battery will last more than 10 years, even if it just sits in the garage.

 

My home solar uses 10 year old s/h cells, and they're storing less that 1/2 their original capacity, can't see them being any use in a car now.

 

Nissan leaf is about the oldest make of EV and their batteries nearly all failed within 5 years.

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Just now, BritManToo said:

My eMTB is still good after less than a year, but I've not had any smartphones last more than 3 years. As far as I know car batteries use the same chemicals, so I really doubt an EV battery will last more than 10 years, even if it just sits in the garage.

 

Nissan leaf is about the oldest make of EV and their batteries nearly all failed within 5 years.

Thank you for sharing the results of your research with us. Or maybe it's just that you're living in the past?

 

Nissan Leaf’s battery issue

The LEAF is one of the first mass-market EVs, and its batteries degrade more than those of newer-generation EVs (a lack of active cooling is the main culprit).

Earlier models (24 kWh and 30 kWh) suffer from more degradation.

https://evdb.nz/leaf-battery-guide

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thank you for sharing the results of your research with us. Or maybe it's just that you're living in the past?

 

Nissan Leaf’s battery issue

The LEAF is one of the first mass-market EVs, and its batteries degrade more than those of newer-generation EVs (a lack of active cooling is the main culprit).

Earlier models (24 kWh and 30 kWh) suffer from more degradation.

https://evdb.nz/leaf-battery-guide

I really hope you're right, but I don't feel like betting 15,000gbp of my money on your Google search.

Maybe you should buy one, then report back 10 years later, assuming your current forum identity manages to last that long.

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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I really hope you're right, but I don't feel like betting 15,000gbp or your Google search.

Maybe you should buy one, then come back 10 years later, assuming your current forum identity manages to last that long.

You don't have to buy a Nissan Leaf. there are plenty of other competitors out there.  Anyway, I prefer to go with the science.

 

Academic researchers’ previous estimates underestimated battery life because the testing protocols didn’t simulate real-world driving. Typically, when researchers test battery-cell aging in a lab, they use a constant-current cycling technique, which involves continuously charging the cells at a constant rate, fully discharging them, and then continuously charging them again. But this approach looks nothing like the frequent acceleration, braking, and parking that EV batteries actually endure.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/ev-battery-life

 

Next thing you know you'll be telling me that the seas aren't rising and the human-caused climate change isn't a real thing.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

thing you know you'll be telling me that the seas aren't rising and the human-caused climate change isn't a real thing

For once you are correct!