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Lack of Steel Reinforcement in Pillars Leads to Building Damage, Expert Warns


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Alarmist post,!  to  try and apply modern day building codes to old building, Thailand knee jerk reaction, if this proffesor is saying to go back and bring the old buildings up to modern day codes this will cost multi billions baht?  damaged as shown in pic's need to be repaired  to  todays codes  colums not damage no need  Typical Thai, After the fact !!

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5 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Suprise surprise Chinese building companies don't care about Thai procedures

and Thai authorities failed to check how these foreign companies work here...

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Wow, who would have guessed it! Little Thai Peter robbing little Thai Paul! - I assume there will be a THAI signature on the building inspection documents that show it was built to code? I bet those damn foreigners had been whittling away at the concrete to uncover the rebar that they promptly stole, weighed in for scrap and then bought booze and drugs with the money.

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Designing earthquake resistant high rise buildings goes beyond stiffened columns which in themselves may create points of stress by their stiffness.

"Top 5 Ways Engineers “Earthquake Proof” Buildings"

 

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6 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Suprise surprise Chinese building companies don't care about Thai procedures

I'm not well informed other than hearsay, are the Chinese contractors the worst offenders? Of course, you have to look at the bidding process and how they vet, or don't vet the contractors. Stating the obvious, human lives are not worth the amount of money saved with the lowest bidder building shoddy constructions using underpaid and untrained migrant employees. 

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7 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Suprise surprise Chinese building companies don't care about Thai procedures

Since the article never used the words, China nor Chinese, odd that you would implicate that country and those nationals specifically. 

 

Are you a Thai construction industry insider? 

 

Or just inherently sinophobic; seeing the dreaded "Red Terror" everywhere you look? 

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  I know YouTube is nothing but a clickbait clown show. But, when I see this I automatically think of China, and the videos coming out showing building short cuts.   

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Not making excuses for the inexcusable BUT I believe I read somewhere that often the lowest quote for a construction is accepted but only if the constructor reduces the price still further.

If this is the case then it hardly makes for a "healthy" construction environment.

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I agree that there are some Thai and Chinese companies that cut corners and do not follow codes.  If you look around and you will see hundreds of high rises that are still standing with little or no damage.  Our 27 story building has been examined by structural engineers and everything is fine.  There a number of reliable construction companies working in Bangkok.  We did a lot of research before we bought our condo years ago.

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"He stresses the significance of correct reinforcement patterns, advocating for rebar stirrups at strategic points like the base and top of columns on every level."

 

Perhaps something is lost in translation from the Thai, but "stirrups at strategic points" makes it sound as if they do not space them very closely !


[Stirrup translates as étrier in French which is what goes across a pillar (or beam) to link two main rebars where the pillar's large section requires additional main rebars between those near the four corners.  The corner main rebars are linked to one another by a cadre, or frame]

 

My understanding (I am not a structural engineer, so perhaps someone who is can comment on this) is that good seismic resistance calls for linking the reinforcing bars of supporting pillars with those of the beams they support.  So they become just a single structural item.  This is obviously labour-intensive and means the reinforced concrete must be cast in situ.

 

Of course the design of the Audit Department building did not make use of beams but instead counted upon its self-supporting floors to lock the pillars in place.

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7 hours ago, Mario Cosmopolite said:

Yes Seismic retrofitting is well establish ed. Japan are  probably the most expert.

That's good to know. So he's right then. Have the older buildings with damage thoroughly inspected and retrofit as needed.

 

But I think many Thais and foreigners are still avoiding the main concern.. Bangkok experienced a large tremor from a very large and shallow earthquake 1,000 km away - and it caused 5,500 reports of damages. The same fault line runs diagonally down into the Andaman Sea from Myanmar and parallel with the Thai West Coast. If a similar strong and shallow earthquake happens in that area the result in metro Bangkok would be a massive disaster. The city's earthquake codes surely cannot account for high rise foundations - as deep as they may be - in soft reclaimed swamp land and expect them to just sway a bit like the tremor we had.

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I hope this will be a wake up call to build better, but I fear that corruption

is so strong in Thailand and Asia that this will not be the last building to collapse.

Good Luck to the people who have to work in these high rise sky scrapers.

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19 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Suprise surprise Chinese building companies don't care about Thai procedures

Can you please elaborate and name these so called Chinese building companies....

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