Tariff pause - Trump IS an idiot !!

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly there are some that can't see the wood/forest for the trees. Countries now have 90 days to negotiate. This was always about negotiating terms. Vietnam and Cambodia for example have already offered a zero % tariff. Let's see what the markets do 90 days from now. Last night DJ +3000 points (massive), NASDAQ up 12% and S&P up 9.5% on hearing the announcement of a 90 day grace period to negotiate.

Most people, including most people posting on this thread, can't see the forrest for the trees primarily because they've been well and truly brainwashed by the mainstream media/propaganda machine or, they're simply not too bright and they don't understand how the stock market works. To make matters worse for them,  they have no experience whatsoever in thinking for themselves. And so they're confused.  In their mind, the only thing that they can come up with is "Trump is an idiot."  That's what the media machine is telling them, and so that's what they think. The situation is still unfolding and nobody knows haw it will all turn out. 

 

In any event, I feel sorry for anyone who fell victim to the fear mongers spreading fear and hate in the financial markets. It's all  part of a mainstream media propaganda campaign to "get Trump."  Many investors lost money over the last few days because they were convinced the sky was falling and Trump's tariffs would result in catastrophe. They lost money they might never recover. Did they sell at the bottom, only to miss the next leg up in an ongoing bull market?  No one knows, but what's important to realize that Wall Street operates on fear and greed and they fell for the fear campaign.  Did Trump cause their losses?  Hardly.  

 

Do I think Trump is an "idiot"?  Trump isn't the issue.Tariffs are not the issue. They never were. The real issue is debt. Unsustainable US debt. The bond market has been telling everyone that for weeks, and in the investing world, the bond market dwarfs the stock market and is the only thing that really matters, at the end of the day. 

 

I'm not here to give financial advice, but I learned a long time ago that, as an investor, the only way to succeed is to be cool, like a little Fonzie.   

 

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, johng said:

There is normally some give and take in a negotiation ,Trump has shown he is willing to be flexible..

😋

Got to hold out the carrot as the trade delegations arrive. Good move.

[bamnutsak]

16 minutes ago, bendejo said:

A stable?  Like where they keep the jackass?

 

Yes, there were a lot of Mr. Ed memes at the time.

 

 

[bamnutsak]

9 minutes ago, jas007 said:

the only thing that they can come up with is "Trump is an idiot."

 

It's not the ONLY thing we can come up with.

 

 

[Digitalbanana]

2 hours ago, johng said:

There is normally some give and take in a negotiation ,Trump has shown he is willing to be flexible..

To paraphrase Musk, Trumps No2, one would need to be as dumb as a sack of bricks to think Trump is being anything but reactionary because the electorate are getting 'yippy'.

[CallumWK]

2 hours ago, johng said:

There is normally some give and take in a negotiation ,Trump has shown he is willing to be flexible..

😋

 

Trump has shown he has no plan.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/08/president-trump-confirms-no-plans-to-suspend-global-tariffs-despite-us-stock-market-dip

There were big swings in US stock throughout Monday's trading session after Trump warned he could raise tariffs even further.

US President Donald Trump has confirmed that he has no plans to suspend global tariffs, despite another day of turbulence in global stock markets.

When asked by a reporter in the Oval office whether he would be open to a pause in tariffs to allow for negotiations, Trump responded: “We’re not looking at that. We have many many countries that are coming to negotiate deals with us and they’re going to be fair deals and in certain cases they’re going to be paying substantial tariffs.”

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-no-idea-sudden-190022840.html

 

Trump’s Team Has No Idea What to Say About His Sudden Tariffs Reversal

 

It’s obvious at this point that Trump has never had a plan for his tariff scheme, and is making it up as he goes along. Wednesday’s reversal was likely prompted by growing criticism from his own supporters and normally fawning right-wing media and by a government debt sell-off, showing weakening confidence in the American economy. But Trump’s own sycophants aren’t going to admit that the president would ever back off.

 

 

[bendejo]

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27 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I'm not here to give financial advice, but I learned a long time ago that, as an investor, the only way to succeed is to be cool, like a little Fonzie.   

 

Saw a piece of an interview with Sam Jackson recently.  He said they also shot a version of the scene where he kills Honeybunny.

 

[Gecko123]

53 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Most people, including most people posting on this thread, can't see the forrest for the trees primarily because they've been well and truly brainwashed by the mainstream media/propaganda machine or, they're simply not too bright and they don't understand how the stock market works. To make matters worse for them,  they have no experience whatsoever in thinking for themselves. And so they're confused.  In their mind, the only thing that they can come up with is "Trump is an idiot."  That's what the media machine is telling them, and so that's what they think. The situation is still unfolding and nobody knows haw it will all turn out. 

 

In any event, I feel sorry for anyone who fell victim to the fear mongers spreading fear and hate in the financial markets. It's all  part of a mainstream media propaganda campaign to "get Trump."  Many investors lost money over the last few days because they were convinced the sky was falling and Trump's tariffs would result in catastrophe. They lost money they might never recover. Did they sell at the bottom, only to miss the next leg up in an ongoing bull market?  No one knows, but what's important to realize that Wall Street operates on fear and greed and they fell for the fear campaign.  Did Trump cause their losses?  Hardly.  

 

Do I think Trump is an "idiot"?  Trump isn't the issue.Tariffs are not the issue. They never were. The real issue is debt. Unsustainable US debt. The bond market has been telling everyone that for weeks, and in the investing world, the bond market dwarfs the stock market and is the only thing that really matters, at the end of the day. 

 

I'm not here to give financial advice, but I learned a long time ago that, as an investor, the only way to succeed is to be cool, like a little Fonzie.   

 

 

 

 

I think we can all agree that the budget deficit and national debt need to be addressed. I don't think that's the earth-shattering insight you seem to think it is.

 

The question is how is this going to be accomplished.

 

Is it going to be done efficiently and equitably or is it going to be attempted, as Trump appears to be determined to do, through poorly thought out tariff policies, inequitable tax policy, slashing the social safety net, and reneging on commitments made to allies?

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

What a bunch of thief's the US gov admin are ....

 

This is nothing short of  Market Manipulation ...      ALL PLANNED NO DOUBT   !

 

*  check Trump's stock purchases recently and anyone else connected.  I'll bet they made millions shorting stocks ...

 

FFS  ....   absolute crooks    !!

No doubt in my mind, check the rich in the Congress, then check their salaries and one can easily see that they have something going on the side! IMHO anyway  Pelosi  248 million, easy to check, google 10 richest of US Congress.. Says Pelosi husband a contractor - yeah with govt contracts probably steered his way by wife's influence IMHO too.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

NO.

Because you don't have all the information yet.

You need to WAIT to see how things unfold.

 

Here's a development ... China wants to make a deal

 

 

Sure, it could be 44DDD chest, but then again some important people in the swamp could have picked up the phone and told him to walk it back a bit.

 

Or with the market meltdown accelerating, someone might have read about how they had used the wrong values when computing their "reciprocal" taxes on the American consumer.

 

The correct values were plugged in, and suddenly the tariffs are set to where they should have been in the first place.

 

"I meant to do that."

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

poorly thought out tariff policies, inequitable tax policy, slashing the social safety net, and reneging on commitments made to allies?

Please tell us:

How Trumps tariff polices are "poorly thought out"

Please tell us what "inequitable tax policies are"

Tell us how the social safety net is being slashed.

Tell us what commitments we have reneged on with "allies"

 

Bet you cant and wont. But lots of  flames and emojis from mommys basement will follow.

[bamnutsak]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Please tell us:

 

Not our job to explain anything to you.

 

It is trump's, and his administration's job to explain the policies, goals, and metrics to us.

 

Stop being bass ackwards.

 

 

 

[Gecko123]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Please tell us:

How Trumps tariff polices are "poorly thought out"

Please tell us what "inequitable tax policies are"

Tell us how the social safety net is being slashed.

Tell us what commitments we have reneged on with "allies"

 

Bet you cant and wont. But lots of  flames and emojis from mommys basement will follow.

 

1. How Trumps tariff polices are "poorly thought out?"

(as explained earlier in thread):

Look at the simplistic childlike ChatGBT way the reciprocal tariff rates were calculated. Look at the simplistic claims that trillions of dollars in tariff revenue were going to flow into government coffers with zero consideration given to the fact that government revenue would drop due to slowed economic activity. Look at the failure to consider how automation in manufacturing greatly reduces the need for labor in modern factories. Look at the unrealistically rosy projections about how quickly the transition to manufacturing period will be. Look at the failure to consider how the economic damage inflicted on other economies will affect demand for US goods and services abroad. 

 

2. Please tell us what "inequitable tax policies are"

 

It is well-established that the impact of the Trump tax cuts disproportionately benefit upper income groups

 

3. Tell us how the social safety net is being slashed.

 

A key component of the House tax proposal is cutting of Medicaid benefits. SS offices have been shuttered making access to benefits more difficult for many recipients, Musk has made repeated false allegations that the SS system is rife with fraud.

 

4. Tell us what commitments we have reneged on with "allies"

 

Hostile arms length relationship with NATO, commitments were made to Ukraine in exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons, Trump has ceded moral authority to defend Taiwan because of his stance on Ukraine.

 

If you're that in the dark about what's going on, you need to educate yourself better. Don't expect me to do your homework for you in the future.

 

 

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Not our job to explain anything to you.

 

It is trump's, and his administration's job to explain the policies, goals, and metrics to us.

 

Stop being bass ackwards.

 

 

 

Got it. So you were just screeching random nonsense without any facts to back it up. How typical.

[jvs]

2 hours ago, johng said:

Nancy Pelosi ?

How about,Bleach blonde, bad built butch body.?

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

"I meant to do that."

anything is possible I guess.

this is turning into an agatha christie murder mystery.

hard to guess whodunit. 

 

I am extricating myself from Trump threads. Too complex for me. 

 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Gecko123 said:

Look at the simplistic childlike ChatGBT way the reciprocal tariff rates were calculated. Look at the simplistic claims that trillions of dollars in tariff revenue were going to flow into government coffers with zero consideration given to the fact that government revenue would drop due to slowed economic activity. Look at the failure to consider how automation in manufacturing greatly reduces the need for labor in modern factories. Look at the unrealistically rosy projections about how quickly the transition to manufacturing period will be. Look at the failure to consider how the economic damage inflicted on other economies will affect demand for US goods and services abroad. 

Got it. All that in three days. 

 

Tell us how the tariffs were calculated? Were you there? How much revenue did we get over 3 days? Who says automation wasnt considered.? How can "rosy" projections be wrong?...After 3 days.

 

3 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

It is well-established that the impact of the Trump tax cuts disproportionately benefit upper income groups

Says who? You an American and file tax returns btw?

 

4 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

A key component of the House tax proposal is cutting of Medicaid benefits.

To who and under what ? Fraud? Double payments?

 

5 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

SS offices have been shuttered making access to benefits more difficult for many recipients,

Clear and utter bs. 

 

6 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Musk has made repeated false allegations that the SS system is rife with fraud.

 

Its not?

 

7 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

commitments were made to Ukraine in exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons,

Got it. Who made the comittments? were they in a treaty? Why do you even consider Europe "allies"?

 

You Trump and America haters are pathetic. You all just screech and slobber and froth at the mouth over anything and everything just because it is Trump, and to many of the foreign shills, America.

 

Go get your last responses in, the Forum sees

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

anything is possible I guess.

this is turning into an agatha christie murder mystery.

hard to guess whodunit. 

 

I am extricating myself from Trump threads. Too complex for me. 

 

Good idea, it might rain and someone will blame him and start a topic.

 

Trump Destroys Food Safety: I got sick from a bad clam!

[jas007]

46 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Saw a piece of an interview with Sam Jackson recently.  He said they also shot a version of the scene where he kills Honeybunny.

 

As an investor, if you're not cool, like a little Fonzi, that's what happens to you, much of the time.  They don't shoot you though, they just take all your money and there you are, broke and trying to figure out who to blame. 

[JustinT]

2 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

Never sell into a storm folks.

 

Some nice bargains right now.

 

When the captain of the ship is a complete lunatic who sank 6 previous ships, you never know when he will purposely sail straight into a storm again.  Abandon ship while you can.

[CallumWK]

Look like Trump should be prosecuted for rigging the market, and offering insider information.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-buy-tip-social-media-230226399.html

NEW YORK (AP) — When Donald Trump offered some financial advice Wednesday morning, stocks were wavering between gains and losses.

But that was about to change.

“THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY!!! DJT,” he wrote on his social media platform Truth Social at 9:37 a.m.

Less than four hours later, Trump announced a 90-day pause on nearly all his tariffs. Stocks soared on the news, closing up 9.5% by the end of trading. The market, measured by the S&P 500, gained back about $4 trillion, or 70%, of the value it had lost over the previous four trading days.

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Good idea, it might rain and someone will blame him and start a topic.

 

Trump Destroys Food Safety: I got sick from a bad clam!

 

Yeah, what I'm getting from these Trump threads is that anyone can spin things any way they like.

There's no rhyme or reason.

Debating about Trump is a fool's game man.

I'll just keep my thoughts to myself from now on. 

 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, what I'm getting from these Trump threads is that anyone can spin things any way they like.

There's no rhyme or reason.

Debating about Trump is a fool's game man.

I'll just keep my thoughts to myself from now on. 

 

Their new mantra: "The damage is done". That will pop up all over the place. 

Chuck Shumer started that one.

[BangkokReady]

Trump is a master strategist.  The tariffs scared people into negotiating, they are now paused while the negotiations take place.

 

Unfortunately, people are so mentally damaged by the very existence of Trump, they are unable to process information in a normal way.  They're so desperate for a "gotcha" moment, they cannot think rationally.

[TorquayFan]

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

that's your problem right there - at a glance. by your own admission.

that's what everyone is doing - just glancing at the situation.

most people are not able to "think things through" because whats going on is too complex for most people to grasp.

I'm not saying I know for sure what he's doing or even if it's a good thing. I just put out "a theory" of what he might be doing. 

 

 

Frogs - my glance was enough to see that the formula to calculate these non-reciprocal tariffs was pure nonsense and that the tariffs are NOT reciprocal. The Trump numpties were looking at the balance of trade between the USA and other Countries, NOT the tariffs rendered by each side FFS.

 

YOUR glance tells that you don't "know for sure what he's doing" but you have a theory, (apparently based on blind hopes). You're 'aving a 'larf' surely.

 

"Reciprocal" is NOT this - the EU was charging 1-5% on US Imports and got a reciprocal of 20%. Or this, Switzerland was charging c.0% and got 31%. The 'liberation' was bullocks !

 

To quote the Master, (Trump), "they all rip us off, it's so sad, so pathetic" and "it's so simple, can't get any simpler than that".

 

The joy in this is, even though it's SO simple, Trump's liberation doesn't get it at all !!

 

What does that say about Trump? Explain that Frogs !

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Trump is a master strategist.  The tariffs scared people into negotiating, they are now paused while the negotiations take place.

 

Unfortunately, people are so mentally damaged by the very existence of Trump, they are unable to process information in a normal way.  They're so desperate for a "gotcha" moment, they cannot think rationally.

 

Good summary.

Someone should give this man "The Last Word" and wrap it up. 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

"Reciprocal" is NOT this

yes, that's accurate. 

trump's tariffs are not exactly "reciprocal".

they're exaggerated.

but it could be a "negotiation tactic" on his part. 

[CallumWK]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The tariffs scared people into negotiating, they are now paused while the negotiations take place.

 

Which countries, other than the third world ones, are negotiating with Trump?

Almost every developed country issues counter tariffs. The third world countries removing their tariffs will make zero difference for the trade balances, since they will not import more, and actually may export more if tariffs are removed US side.

Trump loses once again.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Their new mantra: "The damage is done". That will pop up all over the place. 

Chuck Shumer started that one.

We know how the tariffs were calculated and there is no rhyme or reason, or fairness, equity or common sense to it. Unless it is simply to say 'I have power and now you must negotiate'. He even said countries are groveling to avoid tariffs.

Then backflips. Humiliating. Laughable. Crazy. Sad. 

As has been said this impacts real lives in very significant ways. Business decision making needs certainty, employees not sure about the future, currency and stock markets in turmoil. Real people losing their savings.  Damage has been done to trust and faith in America as a steady hand, as a trustworthy partner, as a consistent good faith player, as a sensible decision maker,  and as a fair and decent player in world affairs. 

I hope this is an Emperor's got no clothes moment - it won't be for Maga supporters - maybe it will be for the world as a whole though in the past it hasn't been the case. 

[jas007]

56 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

I think we can all agree that the budget deficit and national debt need to be addressed. I don't think that's the earth-shattering insight you seem to think it is.

 

The question is how is this going to be accomplished.

 

Is it going to be done efficiently and equitably or is it going to be attempted, as Trump appears to be determined to do, through poorly thought out tariff policies, inequitable tax policy, slashing the social safety net, and reneging on commitments made to allies?

That's the problem Trump rrecently addressed, in a nutshell.  He was asked by the press about the tariffs and the pause, and he said that "someone had to do it."  

 

Years and years of "business s usual," which is what you seem to be suggesting, got the country into the mess it's in today. The budget deficit and the national debt are never really addressed. Instead, people talk about a lot, but end up doing nothing. No one acts. Well, Trump acted.  

 

Will it work?  Who knows? But I think there's some chance.  Business as usual is no longer an option.